.tv Again ??

[DnEbook]

I just saw diets.tv at sedo , went to ahead.tv to see the renewal fee ???
$1000. a year according to ahead.tv ...... but no mention of it in listing at sedo ? ..... here we go again , i just hope no one from here ??????
if so , should know better by now , auctions and private sales need the renewal fee stated clearly

 

[StargateCapital]

Maybe they forgot...we all make mistakes, right? I do think the owner is a member here.

S

 

[mckennaronnie]

I meant to post about this after noticing it last night.
At least the owner did point anyone to Ahead.tv in order to check the renewal which i guess is a start.

On a positive note look at the current .tv's on Sedo Auction, most of them would of struggled to get $50 bids about a year ago so for them to be selling at $xxx - $xxxx is very positive i think.

 

[DnEbook]

i didn't notice the reference to ahead ? ...... i just went there to check

 

[mckennaronnie]

i didn't notice the reference to ahead ? ...... i just went there to check

From Sedo listing of Diets.tv - Offer Description : "currently registered at enom.com. visit ahead.tv for renewal price. "

While telling buyers to check via Ahead.tv is better than nothing it still is not what is needed. Ahead.tv is not always 100% right as many of us have found out though it is very close, the potential is somebody buys a domain after trusting Ahead.tv's renewal info and then faces a fee that is totally dfferent.

This type of thing continues to give .tv a bad name, makes it look very complicated and even unreliable to buy aftermarket .tv's until ALL buyers and Sedo make stating the renewal fee a condition on any auction.

 

[MicroGuy]

This seems like an acceptable way of listing a premium IMO.

I would imagine that the seller checked the renewal price at Ahead.tv before listing it as a reference. The seller is also helping to increase awareness in the marketplace that a tool exists for checking premium renewals.

 

[dcmike77]

Relax gents. Its mine and I think it's a fair way of listing it. It's better than nothing at all as I've seen in many places before.

We're all learning here and trying to find the best solution/options...

 

[snoop]

Relax gents. Its mine and I think it's a fair way of listing it. It's better than nothing at all as I've seen in many places before.

We're all learning here and trying to find the best solution/options...

This still sounds somewhat unethical to me, why not just state the renewal price instead?

I think it is akin to hiding something major in the fine print,

Domain buyer: "Huh, $1000 renewal, that wasn't stated?"
Domainer seller: "Hey I said check the renewal price, if you'd done that you'd realize it was $1000 rather than the usual $30."
Doamin buyer: "Yes you said check that but it didn't realize the renewal would be anything out of the ordinary."

You are right though it is "better than nothing", marginally better....

 

[antonis12]

This still sounds somewhat unethical to me, why not just state the renewal price instead?

I think it is akin to hiding something major in the fine print,

Domain buyer: "Huh, $1000 renewal, that wasn't stated?"
Domainer seller: "Hey I said check the renewal price, if you'd done that you'd realize it was $1000 rather than the usual $30."
Doamin buyer: "Yes you said check that but it didn't realize the renewal would be anything out of the ordinary."

You are right though it is "better than nothing", marginally better....

I am with snoop on this. just list the darn renewal fee upfront. anything less than that is not full disclosure.

 

[Rogor]

From Sedo listing of Diets.tv - Offer Description : "currently registered at enom.com. visit ahead.tv for renewal price. "

This type of thing continues to give .tv a bad name,

I second this. What is the intention in leaving out the renewal fee? Other than to hopefully mislead the buyer, I mean. Personally, I don't feel that researching a renewal fee should be considered part of a buyer's due diligence. "Fair"? no I don't think so, maybe you could call it "slightly less deceptive" than not saying anything. my opinion.

 

[mckennaronnie]

This still sounds somewhat unethical to me, why not just state the renewal price instead?
I think it is akin to hiding something major in the fine print,
Domain buyer: "Huh, $1000 renewal, that wasn't stated?"
Domainer seller: "Hey I said check the renewal price, if you'd done that you'd realize it was $1000 rather than the usual $30."
Doamin buyer: "Yes you said check that but it didn't realize the renewal would be anything out of the ordinary."
You are right though it is "better than nothing", marginally better....

Did not think i would ever hear myself saying this BUT
"I agree with Snoop 100%"

No reason not to give the renewal in the description, why ask buyers to go to Ahead.tv when they could read it from the description and know 100% that its true rather than trusting an external site.

I'm in no way saying you are trying to deceive Mike as otherwise you would not have mentioned anything about the renewal in the description, just think it needs to be clearer for any potential buyers.

Ronnie

 

[MicroGuy]

I've been thinking about this and believe this method is equal to (if not better than) listing the renewal price because the information comes from a well known, highly reliable website and not an unknown anonymous seller. JMO

Alternatively, the seller could say: "the premium renewal is $1000/year which can be verified at Ahead.tv".

...why ask buyers to go to Ahead.tv when they could read it from the description and know 100% that its true rather than trusting an external site.

In my experiences, I've learned that a seller writing something in an auction description does not necessarily make it 100% true.

 

[mckennaronnie]

Alternatively, the seller could say: "the premium renewal is $1000/year which can be verified at Ahead.tv"

That would be the ideal method, state the renewal and a reputable method to check it.

In my experiences, I've learned that a seller writing something in an auction description does not necessarily make it 100% true.

True but at least then you can prove the seller told a lie when you are explaining to Sedo why you wont pay your bill.

 

[TheBulldog]

I would hardly consider ahead.tv a "Well-known" domainers site, or for that matter a well known site outside of these forums.

I would say this though, at this stage with the goofy pricing on ccTLD's, every DOMAINER should know enough to check out renewel pricing just to cover their asses. Not doing so is foolish. They should also be checking out renewel rates and depending on the domain, should be validating the ownership. (ll.tv, ll.com, you know, they true premiums.)

For those buying on SEDO that aren't domainers......I would agree that the price should be part of the listing. While I understand that premium name holders are wary of putting that price in, mainly because it is scary to potential buyers, they should. Not doing so is, IMHO, a little dodgy.

I know enough to check it out, but joe consumer does not. The only result of that is a sale that fails because of the surprise, and sedo getting sick of the complaints and either forcing renewel fees in the listing(this is what SHOULD happen), or Sedo gets sick of the confusion and doesn't list TV's or other wierd priced ccTLD's until they get pricing less confusing.

Until then, I grudgingly agree with snoops.

///bulldog shivers a little and whimpers to his corner

 

[MicroGuy]

Great points above. In a way, Mike is performing a service to potential bidders since he is not only disclosing the fact that the domain has a non-standard renewal, but also educating auction participants that a tool exists for checking other .TV domains. IMO.

 

[dcmike77]

Verisign's at fault for having premiums to begin with. Feel free to call them with your concerns. In the meantime, I'll 'fully-disclose' the day Enom decides to.


Note to self: Stop buying premiums...

 

[StargateCapital]

Why base your reputation on others that are not doing the right thing to help the extension? Step beyond that and do what you know is right (and easy)! Heaven forbid if the "service" closes down and potential buyers are unable to lookup the price -- then what? It doesn't matter what others do or fail to do. This is your name.

Good luck with your sale Mike - its a great name.

S

 

[DnEbook]

Just state the renewal price in a listing ...... anything else is crap , there are no excuses

 

[Rogor]

Did not think i would ever hear myself saying this BUT
"I agree with Snoop 100%"

No reason not to give the renewal in the description, why ask buyers to go to Ahead.tv when they could read it from the description and know 100% that its true rather than trusting an external site.

I'm in no way saying you are trying to deceive Mike as otherwise you would not have mentioned anything about the renewal in the description, just think it needs to be clearer for any potential buyers.

Ronnie

Sorry mckennaronnie I didn't mean to imply that YOU thought he was being deceptive. That is strictly my opnion. The only reason I can imagine for not stating the renwal fee is, the hope that a naive buyer is not aware of the the premium pricing structure and either neglects to look it up, or misses the bit about going to Ahead.tv to find it. To me that still qualifies as deception. If there is another way of seeing this, I would gladly listen. It's good to drive traffic to Ahead.tv though, that site is looking great Polin.
Roger

 

[DnEbook]

there was no reference to ahead.tv in the listing ..... the buyer may not even know or
heard of ahead.tv , i just think not the way to do it