advice After Sedo, Afternic, DAN, where to list next?

[gericsb]

Just getting back into Domaining this past month after about 8-9 years.

I see the industry has changed and consolidated, but with some new players too.

I have my domains listed on:
Sedo (parked for now, too)

Afternic (it is my understanding that now domains listed here will appear on: GoDaddy, Netsol, Dynadot, eNom, Uniregistry (I think), and a couple more.

DAN (formerly Undeveloped, I think)

With all the Afternic related consolidation in this industry, where else should I list my domains, disregarding brandable marketplaces for now?

Once a domain is listed at, Afternic, Sedo, and DAN, is it necessary to list anywhere else? If so, where and WHY?

Still trying to wrap my head around all the consolidation in the industry that occurred while I was away. And get my domains the maximum exposure possible.

Thank you!

 

[gericsb]

Thanks, but I do not hold any uk domains. Although sounds like a good site

 

[FolioTeam]

Registrar marketplace. For example, for a domain name freshly registered or transferred to NameCheap, Epik, GoDaddy, NameSilo, Sav, Dynadot, Porkbun and probably others I am forgetting, they all have some sort of internal marketplace that you can easily list the name for sale. Someone can buy it there even in the lock period. Also they essentially instantly transfer it as a push to the new owner's account.

My usual sequence is:

1. First I list at the registrar marketplace for first 30 to 60 days.
2. If a TLD that is accepted, and at a fast transfer registrar, after lock period is up enact FT at Afternic and/or Sedo. Normally at that point I take down the registrar marketplace listing, if afraid of double selling.
3. Near expiration if I have decided probably not to renew I will list it again at the registrar marketplace, since usually minimum prices / commissions way less, or at NameLiquidate or NamePros.

While no doubt Afternic/Sedo/DAN sell way more than any registrar marketplace, keep in mind that they have way more or sale. Would be interesting to know how probability of sale is across registrar vs the big marketplaces.

Also, the lander quality is very different across the registrar places, although all have some sort of option. Epik allow you to fully customize with images, media, links, text, etc. and allow you to have BIN, make offer and payment options with lots of customization. NameSilo landers look nice imo too, allowing text and both BIN and MO, can do payment plans up to 12 months if want. Dynadot changed their landers not long ago. In a way like the new ones, but no longer show the text (it is in the marketplace itself listing but not lander). Of course GoDaddy you can list with an auction membership, even if not listing as an auction. Porkbun now allow a lander for the marketplace they hired. I like their sense of humour, but wish they would let me choose a lander without a pig. Namecheap marketplace does not have landers per se, but you can without cost forward the domain to your marketplace listing, so essentially same.

Bob

Lol at landers without a pig

 

[Igor Mironyuk]

of course is DomainLore but hard to become member

Why?

 

[gericsb]

See, the hard thing for me is to understand the law of diminishing returns here....

What I mean by that is: When does listing your domains at yet another Marketplace become simply Overkill?

Since I've been back, I learned that the

#1 most important place to list is: Afternic with Fast Transfer (once eligible).

Reading poats from some of the Big Guys here, it seems like 60-70% or more of their Inbound sales come from Afternic or their extensive distribution network of Registrars (which becomes even more extensive after FT gets enabled)

#2 Sedo - large and well known Domain Marketplace and probably good for anyone outside the US who wants to buy your domains

#3 DAN - nice, feature enabled website with Fast domain transfer and payment services (from what I have read) and nice Landing Pages ( I am using a few as we speak)

#4 Domain Agents ( just super easy to list there)

Still a bit confused about those places where you need to have youe domains registered there in order to list, but I think most of these are part of the Afternic Fast Transfer netwoek anyway (Dynadot, Uni etc.) Unless I am confused.

Still need to look into Epik, Efty, and Daaz

Other than that, maybe a brandable Marketplace like Brandpa oe Brandbucket.

However, if these brandable Marketplaces require an exclusive listing I am not sure I want to give up the Afternic FT exposure.

Most of my names are not reall brandable types anyway

Hope these musings are helpful for other newbies!

 

[Igor Mironyuk]

However, if these brandable Marketplaces require an exclusive listing I am not sure I want to give up the Afternic FT exposure.

On SquadHelp approved premium domains is available listing on Afternic. Though I not tried it.

 

[gericsb]

Just to keep myself on track and to provide ongoing updates to keep this thread live.

I have also now added my portfolio to : Epik.

Epik allows you to list your domains for sale in their marketplace once you upload your portfolio there.

Their interface is really amazing from a Domain Portfolio Management perspective.

It lists your domain, registrar, parking details (if parked), rough valuations ( maybe Estibot? Or in house) Etc.

You can clearly see your entire portfolio up to 100 domains per page I think.

Need to play with this more, but it is really beautiful.

Anyway, now I am listed in the following
Marketplaces:

Afternic (BIN), Make Offers at: Sedo, DAN, Epik, Domain Agents.

I will probably try Daaz next since they have a good presence here and participated in my thread

Also, realized a few of my names could be considered Brandables.

As such, submitted these to:
BrandBucket (still waiting)

Discovered Squadhelp where you can submit brandable names that they will register for you. Yes, you only get 25, 23, 20 % in year 1, 2, 3 if name sells.

But this is NO RISK and can provide an additional revenue stream with NO RISK.

Hoping to get some names approved there.

Thanks to all who contributed to this thread!!

 

[gericsb]

Great initial post, and glad you are back active in domain investing. Best wishes for every success.

I guess my answer might be that it is not, in most cases, essential to list elsewhere, but every possible avenue can help.

Here are a few situations where extra listings might make sense:

• If a brandable name, the brandable places do find lookers that probably would not find your name through the registration stream or the big marketplaces.
• If you are in early days, before FT and premium coverage possible, then one could list at the registrar marketplace. Also, this provides an avenue where a buyer can instantly buy and get the domain name, often at lower commission to you.
• I have not done so yet, but considering putting some names at biix. The commissions are super low, but more than that, having the link to NameWorth valuations might help persuade some purchasers that the name represents reasonable value.

Bob

It always pays to reread your very detailed and informative posts, Bob. When you responded to me I didn't even know what Biix and Nameworth we're!

I really like the idea of having the link to Name worth valuations since I seem to actually have several Tier 2 ( I have only ever seen one Tier 1 among available name's, auctions etc)

So I will revisit Biix again!

Thank you again for sharing your knowledge and experience with everyone here...

 

[Igor Mironyuk]

maybe Estibot?

That is in NameLiquidate (that are part of Epik) is Estibot appraisal when mouse over on the name.

 

[Parmeet]

It always pays to reread your very detailed and informative posts, Bob. When you responded to me I didn't even know what Biix and Nameworth we're!

I really like the idea of having the link to Name worth valuations since I seem to actually have several Tier 2 ( I have only ever seen one Tier 1 among available name's, auctions etc)

So I will revisit Biix again!

Thank you again for sharing your knowledge and experience with everyone here...

This thread is really helpful and Bob has great suggestions for beginners like me. Did you list the names of Afternic as BIN within the 60 day period? What if we list it within the 60 day lock as BIN on Afternic? Is it possible?

Thanks for such a helpful thread

 

[karmaco]

This thread is really helpful and Bob has great suggestions for beginners like me. Did you list the names of Afternic as BIN within the 60 day period? What if we list it within the 60 day lock as BIN on Afternic? Is it possible?

Thanks for such a helpful thread

Not a good idea to add a buy it now before the 60 days is up but some do it. Different platforms handle different ways. If buyer is insistent on transfer you will have to wait the 60 days to complete transaction.

Its not a huge issue because names rarely sell in that timeframe immediately after reg.

 

[DaaZ]

Not a good idea to add a buy it now before the 60 days is up but some do it. Different platforms handle different ways. If buyer is insistent on transfer you will have to wait the 60 days to complete transaction.

Its not a huge issue because names rarely sell in that timeframe immediately after reg.

Agree.
We at DaaZ do everything possible to support the seller in this scenario.

We go to an extent to convince buyer to either accept immediately via Domain push or we will hold the domain securely in DaaZ's account until the 60 days period is ended.

Out of our experience, around 2 to 3% of buyers are not happy with the options we gave, most of them are ok to either wait or accept the domain push.

The only advise we give it to the domainers who practice the quick sale after registration must avoid unpopular registrars. If the domain name is registered with a popular registrar the chances of buyer agreeing for the domain push is quite high.

 

[Igor Mironyuk]

What if we list it within the 60 day lock as BIN on Afternic?

Yes, you can do it but you CANNOT include them to the Afternic Premium Domains Network.

 

[Samer]

Will investigate!

Thanks!

Market owned by well known domainer @Oliver Hoger

Would definitely give PerfectDomain.com a try.

 

[AEProgram]

How about we talk about how most end user transactions happen?

Someone has a eureka moment, they want to start a new business, the first thing they think of is what they will call it. Next, they go to see if the domain is available.

These eureka moments can last anywhere from a few minutes to a few days, in most cases they go sour within 72 hours.

Within that short period of time you must capture that impulse buyer.

If you send them to a page with no BIN, its risky unless you have a phone number and they could reach you anytime, then it's a bit less risky.

If you only have a make offer, this is not a business to play it cool (unless you have something really unique going and you know who is contacting you). You must reply fast.

Always consider the fact that when people have these eureka moments they are looking to share their idea with friends and family. If they reach those friends and family before you, there is a good chance you lost the sale. Friends and family are really good at talking people out of things and most people would laugh if their friend said they are buying a domain for a few thousand dollars.

Timing is everything.

Why you should be on as many platforms as possible?

Most end users will look up a name by going to the site. In fact, some people think if a site doesn't load that the domain must be available.

Look at hugedomains, they know what they are doing, almost always a bin and a phone number. Plus they offer a payment plan. I'm convinced you could sell air if you offer a payment plan.

I wish dan had a area on the page where if we want it will populate with a phone number. I am very curious if I add a phone number to all my pages if anyone will call (other than spammers).

We really are all waiting for someone to have that eureka billion dollar idea moment. If they have money and you have a name they love and they could reach you at peak eureka, you will report a sale here that nobody will understand why someone paid that much.

 

[Igor Mironyuk]

I wish dan had a area on the page where if we want it will populate with a phone number. I am very curious if I add a phone number to all my pages if anyone will call (other than spammers).

If you live in the US and the potencial buyer who is interested in your domain, live somewhere in Europe or Australia, how is he call you on you phone?

 

[Mister Funsky]

You can clearly see your entire portfolio up to 100 domains per page I think.

You can make the setting 1000.

 

[AEProgram]

If you live in the US and the potencial buyer who is interested in your domain, live somewhere in Europe or Australia, how is he call you on you phone?

In the case of afternic they have local phone numbers in many countries that show up on the lander based on the visitor is from. HugeDomains has only a US number.

If you have a big portfolio you could spend under 50 a month and have a local phone number in the US, Canada, Germany, UK and some other countries. Personally if a person won't call a country because of fees, what are the chances he will pay a good price for a domain?

 

[Bob Hawkes]

Another option if you want phone support on your domain names, but can't or don't want to manage responding to phones especially from around the globe yourself, is to set up a SquadHelp 'white label' site on one of your domain names, and put your portfolio there. You can set it that SH will handle the phone, email or chat discussions, and the commission on these standard listings is reasonable. Of course, it only will get viewers either from someone going looking for that specific name (via lander), or if your white label site is able to attract buyers in sufficient numbers. It probably works best for portfolios that have a strong single focus.

Of course the marketplaces with phone/chat support, this is one feature they offer that make their commission worthwhile.

Bob

 

[lock]

Another option if you want phone support on your domain names, but can't or don't want to manage responding to phones especially from around the globe yourself, is to set up a SquadHelp 'white label' site on one of your domain names, and put your portfolio there. You can set it that SH will handle the phone, email or chat discussions, and the commission on these standard listings is reasonable. Of course, it only will get viewers either from someone going looking for that specific name (via lander), or if your white label site is able to attract buyers in sufficient numbers. It probably works best for portfolios that have a strong single focus.

Bob

1800 CALL BOB. ( don't dial this hoping for Mr Hawkes as is just a tongue in cheek.)

 

[Chaz1]

It always pays to reread your very detailed and informative posts, Bob. When you responded to me I didn't even know what Biix and Nameworth we're!

I really like the idea of having the link to Name worth valuations since I seem to actually have several Tier 2 ( I have only ever seen one Tier 1 among available name's, auctions etc)

So I will revisit Biix again!

Thank you again for sharing your knowledge and experience with everyone here...

What success or suggestions have you found on the different platforms? An update would be great on all the platforms you listed on. Thank you!