A Domainers World Just Ended

[DOMiNIC]

For anybody who hasn't read this weeks DNjournal this is just Unbelievable. http://www.dnjournal.com/domainsales.htm

The same person allowed all of these names to drop and this is what they sold for at Snap Names.

VacationWorld.com $45,400

ShoppingWorld.com $25,500

AdvertisingWorld.com $21,000

ReligionWorld.com $18,250

EntertainmentWorld.com $17,750

CandyWorld.com $15,250

ArtistWorld.com $15,250

RetirementWorld.com $13,750

MedicalWorld.com $12,250

DoctorWorld.com $12,250

ConventionWorld.com $12,250

ExerciseWorld.com $ 8,487

MagazineWorld.com $ 7,000

AirlineWorld.com $ 6,487.

By my calculation that amounts to $230,874.00 and who knows how many more lesser valued world.com domains he let drop.

I guess this guy is thinking about dropping off the nearest tall building.

Anybody who says that Domains are like real estate and the stock market are wrong. This could only happen in the 'WORLD' of domains

 

[RickyG]

Hopefully worse fate didnt meet him before they expired.....

 

[betterdayz4]

I 've never heard of them if they exist. But I agree, if they did exist, they would be an instant success. Like you said, give the domainer a choice. He can let his domain go through an ordinary drop process, or he can choose to create his own drop auction through a service, for a small fee, of course, (So everyboy's happy) and that would be his best chance to get fair market value for his name.

glad you like the idea capiche... i certainly think a site offering that service would be an instant hit. if i had more experience in the domaining world i would do it... fast !

 

[capiche]

Armstrong, I agree that it does somewhat scare a person in "holding" their names. But they don't completely persuade my decision to hold a name. I've been doing this since 1999, and I have dropped names in the past because I just didn't think too much of them after a while. I never even looked back to see if they were "snapped".
But having been doing this for a while, I have a fair idea of the worth of a name and would hold onto them with the grip of death (until they sold, of course) regardless of whether the whole drop game was happening or not.

But I do see where you're coming from.

 

[armstrong]

betterday: Great idea. I actually considered something along this lines about a year ago (my domain for it: http://whois.sc/dropnot.com ). However, the idea got dropped (pun intended) after other development oppurtunites came up. Or maybe I just plain forgot about it.

In planning such a service, you must consider how to counteract possible cheating (by shill bidding) by the big players.

 

[Binfus]

OVT Stats for some of these domains:

Vacation World: 4755
Shopping World: 330
Advertising World: 108
Candy World: 497
Entertainment World: 228
Artist World: 217

VacationWorld.com No suggestions for VacationWorld.com
ShoppingWorld.com No suggestions for ShoppingWorld.com
AdvertisingWorld.com No suggestions for AdvertisingWorld.com
EntertainmentWorld.com No suggestions for EntertainmentWorld.com
CandyWorld.com 77
ArtistWorld.com No suggestions for ArtistWorld.com

With these kind of stats the quoted sale prices are crazy, ESPECIALLY when the *buyers* of these names are well known for being masters of their trade; i.e. monetizing type-in traffic and making money thru PPC model. The *buyers* belong to a highly select elite group of domainers...could this all be just coincidental, yes, may be but may be not. Could it be that there's an orchestrated effort to inflate the prices of some prominent portfolios as the word is that we'd likely see some big portfolios changing hands from professional domainers to newbie deep-pocketed investors over these next few months....Recent media exposure generating interest from mainstream investors, looming seachange in the PPC model, gradual segmentation of the Internet with rising importance of ccTLDs, slow but steady adaptation of new tlds, pending release of yet additional tlds like .eu, .mobi, and others, emergence of IDNs in countries like China, Japan and India, and various other factors probably have provided an invaluable opportunity for some big players to cash-out on their long-held positions. Recent report in DNJ of this upcoming *special* TRAFFIC conference in Silicon Valley specifically targetted towards these new investors along with the sense of urgency its being put together...!! .May be its just my own skepticism going overboard but may be there's something going on here...things just don't add up like some others have pointed out above.

 

[FedPrimeRate.com]

Those sale prices look inflated to me. Smells fishy.

AmCy

 

[-db-]

Could it be that there's an orchestrated effort to inflate the prices of some prominent portfolios as the word is that we'd likely see some big portfolios changing hands from professional domainers to newbie deep-pocketed investors over these next few months....

That's fascinating to think about.

Stranger things have happened. :o

 

[Grrilla]

Hopefully worse fate didnt meet him before they expired.....

Yep. The creation destruction cycle w/ all of the steps in between. Getting philosophical here but...
Without destruction there would be no energy for creation. Without the destruction of the dinausaurs there would be no petroleum or "fossil" fuel. Without destroying wood there would be no fire. I think that the creation-destruction-creation... cycle is linked to why our instincts drive us to horde resources and covet what we gather in. When we create, we feel like we've gained something. When what we've created is destroyed, we feel a sense of loss. But creation and destruction are actually tied together in a symbiotic relationship. Sometimes one has to move aside to let the other in. Hopefully our friend, the domainer who's destruction is the topic of this thread, will see his loss this philosophically and something new will rise in it's place. Than again, at the risk of sounding jaded or sardonic, maybe he was in cahoots w/ someone affiliated w/ Snapnames and has alreadylaughed his way to his bank.

 

[timmaay]

Originally Posted by BinfusCould it be that there's an orchestrated effort to inflate the prices of some prominent portfolios as the word is that we'd likely see some big portfolios changing hands from professional domainers to newbie deep-pocketed investors over these next few months....



That's fascinating to think about.

Stranger things have happened.

Not stranger but natural progression of the industry

I am a newbie in the domain business but we have seen schemes like this make huge sums of money in the stock market and other "investing" type markets for many people throughout history.

Exactly why gambling and investing and banking are "regulated".

 

[DOMiNIC]

But how many two word .com domains do Vertical Axis and Name Administration hold between them?

I guess they figure that the more of these that they take out of the market place, the more the value of two word .com's will rise.

 

[namegame]

I can easily see names not being renewed because the owner died. Perhaps in this case? Think of all the valuable domains that drop because no one knew to renew after the owner died.

 

[RogueWriter]

You know what, though, there's been maybe a dozen names that I wanted to make an offer on at buydomains, where you can't find a contact to offer less than what they ask for. Unreasonable listing prices in that case gets squat in the way of offers, so perhaps they think, well, I'll just let it drop, no one is interested. With decent contact info, they could have made thousands off of me.

 

[DOMiNIC]

Don't you think Credit Card renewals are a big reason for names like this dropping?

Isn't that why A1.com dropped? The guy thought it had been renewed but the register failed to tell him the card was invallid untill it was to late?

I keep a cash account with my register, SRSplus, so this cannot happen to me.

 

[mngreywolf]

I was just looking at dropped list at snapnames and it has been hacked!

This Site Has Been Hacked For Some Fraud Selling(1)
[email protected] From IRAN

 

[equity78]

I think it is just a function of SNAPNAMES brings a certain something to a name when it drops but I Don't think that if a name drops you still get a piece I mean you let it drop its like someone saying at a casino "Mr Trump I was playing that slot machine all day I spent as much money as I could left then someone else came along putin $3 and hit the jackpot I want some since I played all day" Either hold onto your names or realize others may bid them up for many reasons some have listed.

1) ego one ups manship
2) inflate prices to keep valuations high
3) Just like the name

IMO

 

[Grrilla]

This is an alert that is aimed particularly at the new/er domainers who are reading this.

How many of you are aware that there are domain name syndicates that work together to, among other things:
1) Place shill bids on other members names to pump up the price
2) Buy each others names to create a transction history that is used to create a value and to pump up interest in a name, that will later be used to entice a true, bona fide buyer into making a purchase?
3) Create a circuitous paper/cyber trail through the use of DBAs, subsidiaries, silent partners for the purpose of establishing links between one another to build up their numbers and create the illusion that a domain has some substance that it does not; as well as a means of cloaking their identities and to keep themselves apart from being connected to the other covert operations that they perform?

How many unsavory registrars, drop services and other domain name related cos do you figure are involved in these activities or connected/partnered up w/ someone who is?

How organized is the hype in the domain name marketplace and how deep does it run?

How calculated and self serving are the projections and proclamations that are put forth by our domain name "guru's"? Do you feel a sense of urgency and and get pumped up and ready to buy when you hear one of them advise you that this tld or that tld is the one to get into or that the world is entering the domain name market and bringing along some big time money? You hear that it is too late to make money in domain names w/o a bigtime bankroll but do you really believe that this applies to you? Doesn't a statement like this make you feel like there's still might be enough time to get in now if you act quickly and w/ a sense of urgency. There is nothing that cheers the hearts of registrars more than seeing loads of urgent domainers come to the site to frantically register domain names. Could it be possible that some of the hype is actually well planned and executed propoganda designed to jumpstart some sales.

How deep does it go?
How organized is it.
Are we all sleeping Neos ovlivious to the network of machines that are running the domain world, draining us of our resources, using our energy and feeding us what we want to hear for the purpose of maintaining their superstructure which they skillfully hide from us behind the mirrors and smoke screens of their design?

A word of caution. Don't believe eveything that you hear or read and don't take it for granted that all of the published sales figures that you see are gospel, until the veil is lifted on the transaction and the relationships of the participants involved has been examined.

I am not saying that the figures or those who are involved in reporting or publishing them are deceitful or ill-intentioned in any manner. What I am saying is be wary and procede w/ caution before buying into what is being presented to you. Even the most honest and well intentioned people can, themselves, be deceived and used.

 

[graywolf30]

Nice post Grrilla, but although I had never seen it written, it's one of those things you just "know" is out there. As long as there are people whose first love in life is money, there will always be those who are just trying to pay the bills or earn a little extra who are getting the shaft....

*sigh*

Renee

 

[johnny6]

It puts the lotion on it's skin..... LOL

(That's out of Silence of The Lambs.. just in case you don't get it)

....or it gets the hose again.


These prices seem ridiculously inflated. Let's wait this one out.

 

[-db-]

Exactly why gambling and investing and banking are "regulated".

Good point timmaay.

 

[X_GuardiaN_X]

Some sales there that I couldn't believe:
DataRecoveryExperts.com - $3.7K
FleetMaintenanceSoftware.com - $3.6K
Antiques-World.com - $2.4 K

I guarentee ask anybody who isn't aware of these sales and they would appraise them for anything near their sold price.