warning I lose $42,000 on an escrow.com transaction as pdd.com, help please.

American · Jan 9, 2018

Hi,
I bought pdd.com via escrow.com and the seller took the domain back on networksolutions.com after he received the money $42,000 US dollar.

for detailed information, please view http://www.drjw.com/

Any suggestions about what I can do is welcome, thank you!

If you know a lawyer who is an expert in online domain name disputes, please tell me his/her contact information, thank you very much!

Silentptnr · Jan 9, 2018

On a large deal, if the domain is privacy protected seems it's good to request it be removed so that the registrants identity can be confirmed.

I show no mention of Patrick Sitrok in the whois. You mentioned you also bought 3620.com from him. That domain shows a Chinese registrant.

I see 3620 was up for sale on sedo.

ngignac · Jan 9, 2018

.NJ said:
What your saying makes no sense.

So you excepted the domain into your account and then released the money right?

Then the seller takes the domain back out of your account??

Makes no sense, and there is def more to this story.

I think networksolutions took it back and not the seller. Stolen domain?

American · Jan 9, 2018

daica85 said:
You need to call them asap.

I call them,but don't get any back.they just told me wait.and the online service don't worked professional.

Silentptnr · Jan 9, 2018

Yes, the company probably went offline and called NS. NS probably didn't want to admit their account was compromised so they put it back.

It will probably come to light that the account was compromised and the sale was a scam.

American · Jan 9, 2018

TERADOMAIN said:
Hi,

Sorry to hear about your loss. I know it is little late but when we do Five Figure or bigger transaction we must use "Concierge Service" in Escrow.com. In that situation Name get transfer from Seller account to Escrow.com account and from Escrow.com account to your account. In that situation if you lose name then it is liability of Escrow.com. This is for other friends who may do bigger transaction in future.

In meantime let me find out more helpful info if I can.

Again sorry to hear about it.

Thanks

thank you for your advice.

tech4 · Jan 9, 2018

.NJ said:
What your saying makes no sense.

So you excepted the domain into your account and then released the money right?

Then the seller takes the domain back out of your account??

Makes no sense, and there is def more to this story.

The buyer is a Chinese person. Called American here on NP.
The seller is someone called Patrick in Texas.
Seller got money, pushed domain. Then reported it as stolen or something.
Web/NS took the domain back, lock buyer's account.
Buyer's provided proof, but don't understand English or process well
Seller say where do you want me to send your money back.
Buyer doesn't know temporarily waits, no money.
Seller tries to make an agreement with buyer via email that he will be getting his money back (seller promise or say buyer WILL get money back)
This is bad, because seller will email NS/Web saying that both side agree to move domain back mutually.
This puts WEB/NS off hook.

Again, buyer is Chinese, English is limited and does not understand process, very eager.
Buyer has not yet lost that money.
Buyer must email Seller to push back the domain, because he does not get his money.
Buyer must chase down network solution, provide proof of payment.
Right now domain is in seller's account. Buyer didn't get his money back nor the domain. He's trying to get money back, but doesn't know that if he accepts deal to cancel, NS/Web are off the hook and NS/Web will no longer support buyer. I recommend to chase Web/NS and seller down. Get domain push back, be patient. Or sue Web.

That's the story.

Silentptnr · Jan 9, 2018

Domain was probably a stolen domain. You have two problems. 3620 is in danger too. You have that 17,500 on top of pdd.

Silentptnr · Jan 9, 2018

You paid 17500 for 3620 and 44000 for pdd. Both seem to be in danger.

American · Jan 9, 2018

.NJ said:
What your saying makes no sense.

So you excepted the domain into your account and then released the money right?

Then the seller takes the domain back out of your account??

Makes no sense, and there is def more to this story.

yes，i got the domain to my account,i change whois information and dns,then approve the money.

American · Jan 9, 2018

tech4 said:
The buyer is a Chinese person. Called American here on NP.
The seller is someone called Patrick in Texas.
Seller got money, pushed domain. Then reported it as stolen or something.
Web/NS took the domain back, lock buyer's account.
Buyer's provided proof, but don't understand English or process well
Seller say where do you want me to send your money back.
Buyer doesn't know temporarily waits, no money.
Seller tries to make an agreement with buyer via email that he will be getting his money back (seller promise or say buyer WILL get money back)
This is bad, because seller will email NS/Web saying that both side agree to move domain back mutually.
This puts WEB/NS off hook.

Again, buyer is Chinese, English is limited and does not understand process, very eager.
Buyer has not yet lost that money.
Buyer must email Seller to push back the domain, because he does not get his money.
Buyer must chase down network solution, provide proof of payment.
Right now domain is in seller's account. Buyer didn't get his money back nor the domain. He's trying to get money back, but doesn't know that if he accepts deal to cancel, NS/Web are off the hook and NS/Web will no longer support buyer. I recommend to chase Web/NS and seller down. Get domain push back, be patient. Or sue Web.

That's the story.

NP username was just a forum name,i'm come from China.

tech4 · Jan 9, 2018

I know you are from China, you need to contact Web provide proof of payment and ask the domain and account back. You need to contact seller to push back domain name. Do not agree to cancel transaction.

Ask for domain, because if you ask for Money, Web/NS cannot help you on that. Provide proof of payment transaction. Web/NS will help, if not sue them. Do not agree to cancel.

MapleDots · Jan 9, 2018

American said:
NP username was just a forum name,i'm come from China.

And a damn good forum name.... surprised it was available

You are in the right place, if anything the sleuths here will help you.

Were is @Grilled he is one of the best sleuths I know.

American · Jan 9, 2018

tech4 said:
I know you are from China, you need to contact Web provide proof of payment and ask the domain and account back. You need to contact seller to push back domain name. Do not agree to cancel transaction.

Ask for domain, because if you ask for Money, Web/NS cannot help you on that. Provide proof of payment transaction. Web/NS will help, if not sue them. Do not agree to cancel.

yes,i provide all of the transaction information to web.com,they just tell me wait.

tech4 · Jan 9, 2018

Keep in contact with Web. Email them, it is their responsibility if they pushed it back to the owner unlawfully, if you paid for them to the owner. So provide proof of payment and wait.

rentmynames · Jan 9, 2018

@American I feel your pain. That's a big money! I truly hope you get your domain or money back.

TERADOMAIN · Jan 9, 2018

Hi,

Unfortunately this may be a case of stolen domains. Now see full details below.

PDD.com Real Owner before Transaction whose email address is [email protected]

PDD.com Escrow.com Transaction Owner whose email address is [email protected] which does not match with Owner's email address before transaction (See above).

3620.com Real Owner before Transaction whose email address is [email protected]

3620.com Sedo.com Transaction Owner whose email address is [email protected] which does not match with Owner's email address before transaction (See above).

Sedo has history of stolen domains listed for sale. They had taken some steps sometimes to delist it and sometimes little late. In this case looks like they were late.

In short when we do this kind of transaction we need to do our own investigation as well. @.NJ & @imadoer is very good friend of mine and I have learned a lot from him. We need to be very careful when we do big transaction like this.

Still let me try to find out more detail how to get money back. Unfortunately there is high probability these are stolen names. That is the reason NetworkSolutions.com may have locked your account even it was not your fault. Now I think we need to focus on how to get money back rather than how to get names back. Just my thought. Still lets work together to get to the root of this issue.

Let me try to find out more and I will share more if I find some more helpful info.

Sorry to hear about this.

Thanks

American · Jan 9, 2018

tech4 said:
I know you are from China, you need to contact Web provide proof of payment and ask the domain and account back. You need to contact seller to push back domain name. Do not agree to cancel transaction.

Ask for domain, because if you ask for Money, Web/NS cannot help you on that. Provide proof of payment transaction. Web/NS will help, if not sue them. Do not agree to cancel.

pm you
thank you.

American · Jan 9, 2018

TERADOMAIN said:
Hi,

Unfortunately this may be a case of stolen domains. Now see full details below.

PDD.com Real Owner before Transaction whose email address is [email protected]

Show attachment 77241

PDD.com Escrow.com Transaction Owner whose email address is [email protected] which does not match with Owner's email address before transaction (See above).

Show attachment 77242

3620.com Real Owner before Transaction whose email address is [email protected]

Show attachment 77243

3620.com Sedo.com Transaction Owner whose email address is [email protected] which does not match with Owner's email address before transaction (See above).

Show attachment 77244

Sedo has history of stolen domains listed for sale. They had taken some steps sometimes to delist it and sometimes little late. In this case looks like they were late.

In short when we do this kind of transaction we need to do our own investigation as well. @.NJ & @imadoer is very good friend of mine and I have learned a lot from him. We need to be very careful when we do big transaction like this.

Still let me try to find out more detail how to get money back. Unfortunately there is high probability these are stolen names. That is the reason NetworkSolutions.com may have locked your account even it was not your fault. Now I think we need to focus on how to get money back rather than how to get names back. Just my thought. Still lets work together to get to the root of this issue.

Let me try to find out more and I will share more if I find some more helpful info.

Sorry to hear about this.

Thanks

thank you for your help.

Hootsifer · Jan 9, 2018

This is horrid, this is what gives domaining a bad name and what will eventually kill it off in comparison to cryptocurrency imo if it's not situated fast.

johname · Jan 9, 2018

Funds was dispersed over a month ago

bmugford · Jan 9, 2018

.NJ said:
What your saying makes no sense.

So you excepted the domain into your account and then released the money right?

Then the seller takes the domain back out of your account??

Makes no sense, and there is def more to this story.

Yeah, it is not like the owner can just take it back. Network Solutions would have to be complicit in returning it.

If Network Solutions is not being helpful, I would start by filing a complaint with ICANN.
You also might need to consult a lawyer.

Brad

pchip · Jan 9, 2018

With that kind of money, get yourself a lawyer. Hope you get your money or the domain back.

American · Jan 9, 2018

bmugford said:
Yeah, it is not like the owner can just take it back. Network Solutions would have to be complicit in returning it.

If Network Solutions is not being helpful, I would start by filing a complaint with ICANN.
You also might need to consult a lawyer.

Brad

thank you very much.

American · Jan 9, 2018

pchip said:
With that kind of money, get yourself a lawyer. Hope you get your money or the domain back.

thank you.

Jackson Elsegood · Jan 9, 2018

creataweb said:
@Jackson Elsegood

Thanks for the tag, @creataweb Already in touch with the buyer

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