status-duplicate xx,xxx sale held up due to NP thread !

CakeCode said:

I HONESTLY DIDNT EXPECT THIS FROM A FELLOW DOMAINER . REALLY ??

WOULD YOU SELL ALL YOUR DOMAINS FOR THE REGGED PRICE ?

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i don't always flow, with the status quo

this .... you should already know.


the OP reached out and this is what can happen when you reach out

when you sit back and wait and the person contact you,
then the amount you ask for the domain, is irrelevant to whatever price they found, that doesn't coincide with the price you quoted them.

if they don't want to pay that price or close to it, then they can walk out, just like they walked in

and we won't blame np or nj or snap, or the registrar or sedo, if no sale is made.


imo.....

1Darko said:

You can ask the seller to delete the domain infos in the thread after the auction.

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Your request can also be ignored.

Just because you got a 'bargain' (or traded it low from someone who didn't have a use for it), that doesn't mean the name should be worth any less to your potential buyers now.
At the end of the day, you got him a name that he thought would work well for him.
Hope it goes through

Hemanttilotia said:

Thanks. It took a lot of efforts to reach end user guy.

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yeah, I know how it feels...`

I understand both sides.

For NP: They rely on the search engines to drive traffic to their forum, and a big part of that has to do with all the keywords within the threads.

For the seller: It's a huge loss if you can't sell because of the thread.

Not sure what the best solution is. Maybe NP could charge a small fee for removing the thread/cache. Flippa does this. Better to pay a couple of bucks than to lose a 5 figure sale.

i think buyer not serious with his offer
people can offer your domain for $1m. but the problem, is he will pay it ?

Hemanttilotia said:

hi
Its quite frustrating.
I bought a .com name from another NP user for mid xxx.
Now, got an end user who is willing to pay low to mid xx, xxx but he kind of saw the domain in Google search being bought by me on NP.
Now, he knows I paid low and is kind of trying to come down to a very low offer.

So, NP threads are readily searched by Google and despite the seller removing names after the sale, it is indexed by the search engines.
NP says business members and their exclusive forum deals only are being blocked by them from search engines . Bit, I find plenty of good names being sold in regular NP auctions and want to buy from there.
Just like namebio.com , NP auctions thread indexing is a deal breaker if you reach the end users.
I hope NP does something , for we the regular guys.
I don't know if anyone experienced the same with an end user, but NP threads indexing are killing the deals.
And since I just lost a xx, xxx sale, it ain't funny.

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I feel sorry that you had this bad experience.
I think now it comes to your negotiation skills. Some also sell new reg @ x,xxx /xx,xxx. He/she (the buyer) is now trying to play some tricks. btw, How much price you have paid for this domain, it is none of their business,
You can simply reply that
"you have lot of domains that you buy in that price and for some domains you wait and wait and wait and than get some customer, for him/her it can show a big profit but actually it is not exactly like that, you have spend your time and energy for searching that kind of name..... this can go in little more detail"
If he/she is really after this name they will come back, otherwise best of luck and wait for next offer.

@Hemanttilotia,

Did the buyer....

1) Agree the $xx,xxx price you quoted him and then see the NP thread and walk away, or
2) Started negotiations, you quoted $xx,xxx, and he quoted back to you $xxx, referencing your NP thread.

These two scenarios are worlds apart. Only 1 of them can truly be called a lost sale. Just saying.....

But I agree with your basic tenant. Marketplace posts should be blocked from the search engines. It's easy to do. Just an option in the software. But good luck with getting this changed. @Eric Lyon, has refused to accommodate this request for years. I forget his reasoning. Perhaps he will reply to this thread.

Also. I learned something new here. You can edit your posts, but the original post has 50/50 change of still showing up in the Search Engine results. I wonder why that is?

.NJ said:

Yup.

Been there done that years ago.

Lesson learned.

My deal still went through, but it took some creative communication.

Bottom line....

If there is one enduser interested, there will be another.

Patience is key in this industry with "good" names.

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I disagree. There is no guarantee that another person will be wiling to offer what the first person offered. This is one of the biggest mistakes domainers make.

cooljub said:

Just because you got a 'bargain' (or traded it low from someone who didn't have a use for it), that doesn't mean the name should be worth any less to your potential buyers now.
At the end of the day, you got him a name that he thought would work well for him.
Hope it goes through

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Actually, it does. If a buyer knows that you purchased a home for $100,000 and you try and turn around and sell it for $400,000 the next month you have to justify the increase to potential buyers by showing the VALUE you've added (i.e. renovations). In this case, the OP is not able to show that and as a result the potential buyer is not willing to pay for such a huge markup on the domain.

Smiles76 said:

I disagree. There is no guarantee that another person will be wiling to offer what the first person offered. This is one of the biggest mistakes domainers make.

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If your domain is good you will always get offers.

This is why I only offer names via pms now. How did the end user know what you Paid was it a fixed price buy it now? If the guy wanted the name enough that would not stop him. People routinely get names for reg fee on up. If the name is that good he will be back or someone else will. My first thought was wow the person who sold to you really missed out.

About the reg fee sale question—that’s only expected if you sell on NP. lol

Another potential way around this is to start threads asking for names where it is discussed in privacy,

Sorry to hear it Mate.. Hope things turn out well for you.

karmaco said:

This is why I only offer names via pms now. How did the end user know what you Paid was it a fixed price buy it now? If the guy wanted the name enough that would not stop him. People routinely get names for reg fee on up. If the name is that good he will be back or someone else will. My first thought was wow the person who sold to you really missed out.

About the reg fee sale question—that’s only expected if you sell on NP. lol

Another potential way around this is to start threads asking for names where it is discussed in privacy,

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Offering to buy via PM's would solve the problem. But wouldn't take account of an open bidding process. I personally don't even read the Make Offers thread because I've never (100% of the time) been offered any kind of reasonable price, to any offers I have made.

I don't see how the privacy thread would work unless the whole particular forum was private. Which is what The OP is asking for. And has been asked for a lot over the years.

Buyers like to play games all the time, 5 figure type offers usually get delayed, or second thoughts, it is not always wham bam.

I had a CEO offer $4K on a $7.5K ask domain the other day. I told him OK, I will accept, here is the payment link. A few hours later, oh I changed my mind.

You have to price all these games into your quotes when you quote. Not all deals get done. The buyer does not know what was discussed in PM, you could say if I sell the domain within 1 year, I have to kickback the seller 25% etc...

Tell him that you bought BitCoin when they were worthed 80$ and if this means that you should sell them for 80$ in these days.

I dont see any problem.
He know ou bought it for mid XXX, so what?
Now YOU sell it and if he doesnt want to pay mid XX,XXX just dont sell it.
Stop negotiations and say him bye-bye.
If he needs it, he will come again, if not...
All end user knows the domain some day was reg for just 10$, so what?

My condolences. I sympathize and feel OP's pain

This said, it's unlikely this latest case study and lively discourse here will impact NP's policy in any way. This is an old topic, here's a thread started a year ago:
https://www.namepros.com/threads/be...-sales-thread-index-by-search-engines.970956/

this is not a problem with NamePros in itself. sure they can try to get things more difficult to be indexed but there are a lot of spot lights showing the value of domains.

think on sales aggregation sites like namebio or dnjournal. or valuation sites like estibot. they hurt the industry when you are the buyer. i have been countless hit by "smart" owners that quote me the "market value" of a domain according sites like estibot, only to have the market go down for months but the owners get fixed on those high values.

but if you are a seller then having all the hype and pump on prices it is extremely good and rewarding.

maybe next time you could not disclose the domain in its complete form like "domain.com" but instead listed it like "domain dot com" or "domain,com", etc.

also, the buyer being aware of the price you bought but also having been willing to offer top dollar is in itself somewhat stupid because you can politely inform the buyer that you got a great deal and you can ask the price you want. the price you bought it is not really relevant to the deal, only the real interest of the buyer. so if the buyer is stubborn on the issue after this then he probably was not going to be really a paying buyer...

Prices are very public no matter where you buy from.

If you win a GoDaddy auction today, the chances are high that the final sale price will be indexed by some service (NameBio, Shortnames, etc...)

The blame can be spread around, but the buck stops with you.

When I sell a domain I want the end user to desire it so badly that their palms get sweaty waiting for the domain to come into their possession.

Hit YouTube for some sales strategies and get your sale back under control.

Go silent, and when your buyer sends you a message, add 15%. Don't yap away, just send a price that is 15% higher.

Good luck.

Hemanttilotia said:

hi
Its quite frustrating.
I bought a .com name from another NP user for mid xxx.
Now, got an end user who is willing to pay low to mid xx, xxx but he kind of saw the domain in Google search being bought by me on NP.
Now, he knows I paid low and is kind of trying to come down to a very low offer.

So, NP threads are readily searched by Google and despite the seller removing names after the sale, it is indexed by the search engines.
NP says business members and their exclusive forum deals only are being blocked by them from search engines . Bit, I find plenty of good names being sold in regular NP auctions and want to buy from there.
Just like namebio.com , NP auctions thread indexing is a deal breaker if you reach the end users.
I hope NP does something , for we the regular guys.
I don't know if anyone experienced the same with an end user, but NP threads indexing are killing the deals.
And since I just lost a xx, xxx sale, it ain't funny.

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Hello,

The original topic for this is here:

• https://www.namepros.com/threads/be...-sales-thread-index-by-search-engines.970956/

You can read my responses on that page.

Thanks,

It's not uncommon for buyers of domains (End users) to try to find/use any leverage they can to try to get a better deal. Sometimes that's in the form of a story ("Broke college student") or rationalization ("You registered the domain in 2010 for only $10!"). Regardless of the reason, as a seller, you shouldn't let those comments have any affect on the sale. The price is what you will sell it at. If they don't want to buy it at that price and you don't want to sell it at a lower price, then they will not get the domain. The price it was purchased at in the past isn't important in any serious deal. If the buyer backs out of a deal because someone else was able to get it for a better price in the past (Same deals happen in real estate), then they likely wouldn't have been happy with the purchase anyway. If someone is ready to pay $XX,XXX for a domain, then they should understand a lot more about the value of that domain to know that it's worth it, and how much it was purchased for in the past shouldn't matter to them.

Example: If you bought books.com for $10 yesterday thanks to some excellent expiration fluke, then a large publishing company wouldn't care about what you paid and they'd still happily pay you a lot more money to buy that domain name, because it's worth it. They might even acknowledge that they wish they had found a domain that undervalued/underpriced themselves.

It's possible this buyer was looking for an out and they found one.

I wouldn't look for someone to blame when these things happen. It just wasn't meant to be.

Tomorrow is a new day.

Hemanttilotia said:

NP should do something here. They are ruining end user sales here.

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We believe that everything is outlined clearly on NamePros regarding how things work. Everyone should know which forums are private from search engines and which are public. If you choose to use a public forum and it causes issues, then that is not us ruining anything. We have both options available. We don't intervene beyond that. Everyone gets to make their own decisions about how they use this website (Within the rules).

Do whois records of domains ruin domain sales because they show the registration date and someone purchased the domain for very little on that date? No, they do not. Same here.

creataweb said:

Yeah I noticed this too before. It shows the cached version even if the thread was updated.

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Hemanttilotia said:

despite the seller removing names after the sale, it is indexed by the search engines.

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stub said:

You can edit your posts, but the original post has 50/50 change of still showing up in the Search Engine results. I wonder why that is?

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Search results and caches are always temporary if content is changed/removed. No one knows when a search engine will update its search results or cached pages, but it is certain that it will happen eventually. Sometimes it could update within the same day and sometimes it could take weeks. Please be patient until the search engine's algorithms decide to update their index.

Thanks for understanding,

@Eric Lyon - But none of that doesn't preclude us from trying our best to reduce those buyers arguments by preventing this information being freely available by simply doing a google search for the domain. When all it takes is flicking a switch on/off in the software. And I haven't heard ANY good arguments for continuing with what appears to me, to be a negative status quo.

My bad. It seems I should just get a business member badge and hang out with similarly badged dudes in their marketplace !
Sort of is it my time to move from the economy to the business class ?
Was I in the economy class in the first place ?

Hemanttilotia said:

My bad. It seems I should just get a business member badge and hang out with similarly badged dudes in their marketplace !
Sort of is it my time to move from the economy to the business class ?
Was I in the economy class in the first place ?

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You should always be in economy class because it's cheaper with no frills or whistles - joke