Thread crashing

Paul Buonopane said:

We've been pretty quiet, and I know some people are looking for answers, so I've created a new thread: https://www.namepros.com/threads/thread-crashing.849593/

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Thanks Paul.

The only two issue I had with the thread split was firstly that it created a thread for the Flippa platform based on a thread that was initially not really started for Flippa reviews. Ali stated that "WE" were thinking of starting a class without expressing who the "WE" was. One could assume that he had the permission of the owners of Flippa to start this discussion (knowing it would result in some of the posts) but my guess is that they just need to better control their broker's behaviour when operating on their behalf. Secondly the first post in the new thread did not deserve a crashing warning as it directly gave an opinion on the question. Q: Should there be a class on how to make money using Flippa? A: No, Flippa sucks =)

defaultuser said:

[...] firstly that it created a thread for the Flippa platform based on a thread that was initially not really started for Flippa reviews. Ali stated that "WE" were thinking of starting a class without expressing who the "WE" was. One could assume that he had the permission of the owners of Flippa to start this discussion (knowing it would result in some of the posts) but my guess is that they just need to better control their broker's behaviour when operating on their behalf.

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The thread was moved to the marketplace (relatively early on, I believe) by a moderator because we considered it self-promotional. That's actually why Ali was able to lock the thread.

defaultuser said:

Secondly the first post in the new thread did not deserve a crashing warning as it directly gave an opinion on the question. Q: Should there be a class on how to make money using Flippa? A: No, Flippa sucks =)

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The first post got a warning because it was antagonistic, and thereby initiated the problem. It's possible to be critical without antagonizing, but doing so calls for a certain level of maturity and self-control. That being said, I would have objected to that post in, say, a review thread.

I agree with defaultuser on this topic mainly for two reasons :

1) as he pointed out the use of " we " was quite undoubtedly about him and Flippa

2) in the " Senior broker " 's words " we are planning on developing a course to teach you the a-z's of becoming a profitable Super Seller utilizing the Flippa platform! " so obviously the course is more about how to better use their platform ( an make them earn more money ) than about domaining.

My opinion is, therefore, that the thread has always been on topic because it has always been about Flippa and nothing else.

defaultuser said:

that they just need to better control their broker's behaviour when operating on their behalf.

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I totally agree with the above too and if I were the his employer I would be extremely concerned about how he is making my business look like on the biggest domain forum of the entire internet. Ultimately Flippa ( and the other marketplaces ) exist because there are people like us selling ( and buying ) on them.

defaultuser said:

Secondly the first post in the new thread did not deserve a crashing warning as it directly gave an opinion on the question. Q: Should there be a class on how to make money using Flippa? A: No, Flippa sucks =)

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YEP!

Just a side note : posts are travelling around the forum at a 1000 km/h lately....lol

@photonmymind I want to emphasize that we do not tolerate such behavior. You are free to disagree with our policies, but that does not give you the right to ignore them. The first post in the split thread was definitively over the line, and is a prime example of what we consider to be a destructive post.

The remainder of the thread that was split was not on-topic, for the most part. Again, you are free to disagree, but this is our well-defined policy. We expect you to follow it.

Please take this opportunity to learn and adapt. We are making it very clear what we consider acceptable and what we do not permit. This is your chance.

Paul Buonopane said:

The thread was moved to the marketplace (relatively early on, I believe) by a moderator because we considered it self-promotional. That's actually why Ali was able to lock the thread.

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I didn't realize that had happened (I don't use thread views much). That's actually a very helpful clarification.

Paul Buonopane said:

The first post in the split thread was definitively over the line, and is a prime example of what we consider to be a destructive post.
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Please take this opportunity to [B]learn and adapt[/B]. We are making it very clear what we consider acceptable and what we do not permit. This is your chance.

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Respectively disagree but certainly understand your position. Moreover, I do respect that you're in charge here and appreciate that your intention is clearly to move things forward positively. Clarity in what is acceptable and what is not is appreciated.

If that warning label is on all posts flags - that would be one of the better enhancements I haven't seen or noticed previously. Appreciate what you (and Eric) do to keep things here running smooth. Compared to some forums you do show some restraint

defaultuser said:

If that warning label is on all posts flags - that would be one of the better enhancements I haven't seen or noticed previously. Appreciate what you (and Eric) do to keep things here running smooth. Compared to some forums you do show some restraint

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We don't often use it because it can be embarrassing, so we usually just delete posts instead. I've used it a few times, but in most cases the author requested that I delete the post, which I did. It's worth noting that in this case the content of the post is permissible; it was just posted in the wrong place.

It's hard when things spiral out of control like that. We value your opinions and your freedom to express them, but we have to draw the line somewhere. Where that line should be drawn is very much a matter of personal opinion. By defining thread crashing as posting antagonizing content in an otherwise peaceful thread, it's a bit easier for us to be consistent, and easier for you to judge what we'll allow where. Remember, you're still free to post your harsh criticism in another thread.

On a similar note: Ali is relatively new the community. It would be nice if newcomers like him could start threads--and, at times, make mistakes--without fear of a full-on confrontation. Rather than bashing them every time they do something you dislike, help guide them into our community. Be patient and explain to them what you each expect, and, most importantly, how they can improve. Try to do it with a constructive attitude--that means without being condescending or harsh. It looked to me like Ali was quite willing--even eager--to accept feedback. Even if someone rubs you the wrong way at first, be nice. It will go a long way.

The fact is that Ali is lying. And the interesting thing is that he is lying for some things that can be easy checked. He is lying about when he started domaining and selling at flippa. He is lying about the volume and the revenue he has generated. He is lying about the price he sold domains. And Flippa is using him for marketing, presenting him as the ordinary guy who made million dollars for 6 months from nothing using their platform, which is not true. We are not some crazy, stupid bunch here.

I personally can't stay quiet and watch how such a person is teaching morale, ethics and selling tactics all over NP and all over the web sponsored by Flippa. It's not right.

There are certain users here who chronically crash threads. One in particularly compulsively posts things like " Already tons of stories on stuff like this. Just read the threads on namepros." Is this really necessary? Why are these people allowed to continue posting? This deters interaction from new users.

For the record, I am against censorship and feel that people should be able to express their opinions, frustration, and feedback in a tactful / constructive manor. Regrettably, we find ourselves in sensitive situations from time to time where measures are required to keep threads within the rules or to defuse potentially volatile situations that could have been avoided with a little tact and a level head in the first place.

@sofiapartner - Research can be conducted easy enough, sure. However please keep in mind that not all information or sales (Non-disclosure) can be found via public access. Without access to private data it is truly impossible to formulate an accurate assessment of how many sales one has actually made or the total value of sales that are private.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion on the research data you accumulated. However, please try to also keep an open mind to undisclosed data and approach situations with a little more tact in an effort to keep topics / debates constructive and accurate.

@this_username_was_banned - As with any community of our massive size, there are going to be those that are a bit more vocal, opinionated, and communicate in a way that others may not be accustomed to. Which can sometimes cause miscommunication and frustration that leads to heated debates. It's also common (once already frustrated with a member) that many of the small things they do (that normally don't irritate someone) can get the blood boiling subconsciously (rehashing the original reason of frustration in their head).

It's important in such situations that we try to take a few steps back before posting something that may incite / agitate a situation that could have been avoided. When you see such posts that aggravate you in the future, please use the report feature & provide as much information as possible as to why you feel the post is unethical / inappropriate. At such time we can investigate the report and all the evidence you provided to make a logical decision in the matter.

No matter what we decide in any situation, there will normally always be a few that disagree. It's impossible to please everyone. I apologize for the inconvenience some of you are feeling and appreciate your understanding in the matter as we constantly work on finding a middle ground in each unique situation.

I appreciate the prompt response, Eric.

sofiapartner said:

The fact is that Ali is lying. And the interesting thing is that he is lying for some things that can be easy checked. He is lying about when he started domaining and selling at flippa. He is lying about the volume and the revenue he has generated. He is lying about the price he sold domains. And Flippa is using him for marketing, presenting him as the ordinary guy who made million dollars for 6 months from nothing using their platform, which is not true. We are not some crazy, stupid bunch here.

I personally can't stay quiet and watch how such a person is teaching morale, ethics and selling tactics all over NP and all over the web sponsored by Flippa. It's not right.

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You're free to voice that in another thread designated for debate. If you post such reviews where they belong, they're going to get a lot more attention/publicity anyway. When you crash someone else's thread, it gets a temporary boost in publicity, but only among a crowd that already knows about the matter. Like you said, we're not stupid.