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so before when i entered namebio an old grey guy add popped.. ok.. annoying. but it had X to close it.... i guess tis started couple months ago.

today, same full page ad, no X to close.. forcing a click.

its becoming complicated to enter namebio

are we gonna be forced into more things in time or is this as bad as it will get before people can just see some sales? @Michael
 
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The ad is too rude for me and the time is much, I think I will use an alternative site for now.

You can take a horse to the river but you can't force it to drink water.

Micheal is forcing user's to drink water, which is not really right... There are ways to go about all this.

Anyway Good luck
 
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The ad is too rude for me and the time is much, I think I will use an alternative site for now.

You can take a horse to the river but you can't force it to drink water.

Micheal is forcing user's to drink water, which is not really right... There are ways to go about all this.

Anyway Good luck
No one is forcing any one to use Namebio....but If you are using Namebio’s free service, it would be fair to support ....maybe you can ask Youtube and Hulu to stop playing ads first ...:)
 
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@Michael , one suggestion, Ads is good but current ad time 45 secs or so is huge time, you know everyday new domainers comes to your site , as a newbie when he comes to your namebio site first time, they see the Ad covering the whole page and not seeing the close button until the ad time over and they think this as a blocker to access to your site and leave your site (audience in modern world can't afford to wait for almost 1 minute) and ultimately you may loose your new/existing users traffic. Here user experience has huge impact..

My suggestion is to reduce the Ad display time for 10 secs or so (which is enough to understand the content of Ad) and the ad should not cover whole screen.as below -

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I want a beautiful girl instead of that grandpa.. and everything is fine. 😷
 
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If it bothers you too much you can always pay as little as $60/year to get rid of them, and get lots of other benefits as well. Otherwise you’ll have to see some ads.

Agreed. Many people spend more than this amount in in-game purchases for their favorite app games, that make them $0. I've had ad annoyances on these games that are 10 times worse than this so no complaint here.

I've avoided many bad purchases by using NameBio. I've also made some great purchases because of the data. Heavy users should have a bigger annoyance of the ads and should really be paying for a membership.

Got my membership tonight. At $5 per month it's an easy purchase if you even do a minimal amount of domain buying and selling.
 
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Some of you are blowing this way out of proportion. Yesterday there were only 28 users who did enough volume to see the ad more than once. 8 were paying members and thus didn't see it at all.

So that's 20 people on the entire planet who could have possibly seen the ad more than once yesterday. And that's assuming someone who did 52 actions saw it twice, when in reality they probably only saw it once. The actual number is probably closer to 9 who saw it more than once. Thousands of users in that same time period saw it at most once, or not even at all. Those are tiny numbers.

The most anyone could have possibly seen the ad yesterday was 3 times. A total of 2 minutes and 15 seconds of his life wasted in exchange for using the site for hours yesterday. You know how many searches he's done without subscribing? 24,980. I think he got his money's worth on that exchange.

I hardly think the site is ruined for seeing a 45 second ad every few days, let's not be melodramatic. I woke up today, on my birthday, and had an email from someone saying they hope I die of Coronavirus because of the ad. You know what's funny? That person hadn't even done enough searches to see the ad. Unless his IP changed recently he was just jumping on a bandwagon, and either way he's a garbage person.

Let's look at some examples, most people fall into the bottom three tiers:

50 Search Actions / Day: You'd see it once per day at most.
20 Search Actions / Day: You'd see it two to three times per WEEK.
10 Search Actions / Day: You'd see it once per WEEK.
7 Search Actions / Day or Less: You'd literally never see the ad EVER.

At 100 searches per day, which there is a single-digit number of people who hit that level, you'd be giving up 90 seconds a day but using the site for hours per day. Hardly a big deal.

To answer some of your questions:

I will experiment with the time that the ad shows. The 45 seconds was in place because when I removed the close button I originally had the ad automatically closing itself after that time, so I wanted to give people enough time to read it and act before it disappeared. Then I thought it would be better if the ad just reveals a close button, since the user might have walked away or switched to another tab. With the ad not closing automatically any more, such a long time is probably not necessary. Give me a few days to get baseline measurements, then I'll drop it to 30 seconds and see what happens, and after a few days I'll drop it again. I'll go as low as I can without seriously impacting clicks. I doubt 45 will be the final number.

I didn't intentionally make it restart at 45 seconds if you refresh the page, just to be vindictive. It was just more work to have it keep track of how many seconds you already watched, rather than just keeping track of if you let it finish or not. I removed the anti-refresh thing for now though, if you're willing to lose your search filters and/or pagination just to get rid of it I probably shouldn't stop you.

Nobody will just come to the site and immediately be greeted with the popup. It doesn't show up until you've done at least 50 homepage actions in the past week. So there's no concern about the popup being someone's first impression of the site, it isn't possible.

There will be four ads in rotation, one of which is our membership banner. There's already one in a 25% rotation, I'm still waiting on the other banners. It won't be the same ad every time.

We're not going to become a members-only service. When we launched memberships we didn't reduce the free functionality one iota to encourage signups. In fact, we did the opposite and extended the free benefits by letting you have 50% more results if you register for free. There are too many new domainers in developing nations that need the data to learn and be successful, and we don't want only people who are already successful and can afford the membership to have access.

I think that covers everything. Thanks again to those of you who are level-headed and were supportive and understanding that a free service needs to make money, and that this is the only banner ad format that really works these days. To the rest of you, please, take a breath and realize it's only 45 seconds a few times per week.
 
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Some of you are blowing this way out of proportion. Yesterday there were only 28 users who did enough volume to see the ad more than once. 8 were paying members and thus didn't see it at all.

So that's 20 people on the entire planet who could have possibly seen the ad more than once yesterday. And that's assuming someone who did 52 actions saw it twice, when in reality they probably only saw it once. The actual number is probably closer to 9 who saw it more than once. Thousands of users in that same time period saw it at most once, or not even at all. Those are tiny numbers.

The most anyone could have possibly seen the ad yesterday was 3 times. A total of 2 minutes and 15 seconds of his life wasted in exchange for using the site for hours yesterday. You know how many searches he's done without subscribing? 24,980. I think he got his money's worth on that exchange.

I hardly think the site is ruined for seeing a 45 second ad every few days, let's not be melodramatic. I woke up today, on my birthday, and had an email from someone saying they hope I die of Coronavirus because of the ad. You know what's funny? That person hadn't even done enough searches to see the ad. Unless his IP changed recently he was just jumping on a bandwagon, and either way he's a garbage person.

Let's look at some examples, most people fall into the bottom three tiers:

50 Search Actions / Day: You'd see it once per day at most.
20 Search Actions / Day: You'd see it two to three times per WEEK.
10 Search Actions / Day: You'd see it once per WEEK.
7 Search Actions / Day or Less: You'd literally never see the ad EVER.

At 100 searches per day, which there is a single-digit number of people who hit that level, you'd be giving up 90 seconds a day but using the site for hours per day. Hardly a big deal.

To answer some of your questions:

I will experiment with the time that the ad shows. The 45 seconds was in place because when I removed the close button I originally had the ad automatically closing itself after that time, so I wanted to give people enough time to read it and act before it disappeared. Then I thought it would be better if the ad just reveals a close button, since the user might have walked away or switched to another tab. With the ad not closing automatically any more, such a long time is probably not necessary. Give me a few days to get baseline measurements, then I'll drop it to 30 seconds and see what happens, and after a few days I'll drop it again. I'll go as low as I can without seriously impacting clicks. I doubt 45 will be the final number.

I didn't intentionally make it restart at 45 seconds if you refresh the page, just to be vindictive. It was just more work to have it keep track of how many seconds you already watched, rather than just keeping track of if you let it finish or not. I removed the anti-refresh thing for now though, if you're willing to lose your search filters and/or pagination just to get rid of it I probably shouldn't stop you.

Nobody will just come to the site and immediately be greeted with the popup. It doesn't show up until you've done at least 50 homepage actions in the past week. So there's no concern about the popup being someone's first impression of the site, it isn't possible.

There will be four ads in rotation, one of which is our membership banner. There's already one in a 25% rotation, I'm still waiting on the other banners. It won't be the same ad every time.

We're not going to become a members-only service. When we launched memberships we didn't reduce the free functionality one iota to encourage signups. In fact, we did the opposite and extended the free benefits by letting you have 50% more results if you register for free. There are too many new domainers in developing nations that need the data to learn and be successful, and we don't want only people who are already successful and can afford the membership to have access.

I think that covers everything. Thanks again to those of you who are level-headed and were supportive and understanding that a free service needs to make money, and that this is the only banner ad format that really works these days. To the rest of you, please, take a breath and realize it's only 45 seconds a few times per week.
One more thing you need to do is test this ad in different laptop & screen sizes.

I guess i had 14 inch laptop and opened namebio in chrome browser (with browser zoom set to 100 which is default). In this case, the ad is such a big where at the bottom, i can't see your ad closing message and close button below until or unless i reduce browser zoom to 90 or so. This could be the blocker to your site.

Please have a look. Not sure how it is for other users.

Thanks,
 
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Some of you are blowing this way out of proportion. Yesterday there were only 28 users who did enough volume to see the ad more than once. 8 were paying members and thus didn't see it at all.
I have done 0 searches today and it pops up on the first page load.

I woke up today, on my birthday, and had an email from someone saying they hope I die of Coronavirus because of the ad.
I am sorry you had to deal with that, such a response is clearly unwarranted.

I will experiment with the time that the ad shows.
That would be an improvement but I still stand by the format of the popup is too much regardless of time.

Nobody will just come to the site and immediately be greeted with the popup. It doesn't show up until you've done at least 50 homepage actions in the past week. So there's no concern about the popup being someone's first impression of the site, it isn't possible.
That is precisely my experience, I haven't counted but I am quite certain I have not used it 50 times in the last 30 days, let alone 7. If you are interested, I'd be happy to PM you my IP so you can take a look from your end.

this is the only banner ad format that really works these days.
I call BS on this statement, there are plenty of other equally viable options that are far less intrusive to the user experience.
 
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One more thing you need to do is test this ad in different laptop & screen sizes.

I guess i had 14 inch laptop and opened namebio in chrome browser (with browser zoom set to 100 which is default). In this case, the ad is such a big where at the bottom, i can't see your ad closing message and close button below until or unless i reduce browser zoom to 90 or so. This could be the blocker to your site.

Please have a look. Not sure how it is for other users.

Thanks,

I'll take a look, thanks. What's your screen resolution? That matters more than size. The banner is only 568x568 so I'm surprised to hear it can get cut off, although on tablets/phones it is responsive and shouldn't be an issue.

Edit: I'm still going to look into this, but as a quick fix I moved the countdown and eventual close button above the banner instead of below it.

I have done 0 searches today and it pops up on the first page load.


I am sorry you had to deal with that, such a response is clearly unwarranted.


That would be an improvement but I still stand by the format of the popup is too much regardless of time.


That is precisely my experience, I haven't counted but I am quite certain I have not used it 50 times in the last 30 days, let alone 7. If you are interested, I'd be happy to PM you my IP so you can take a look from your end.


I call BS on this statement, there are plenty of other equally viable options that are far less intrusive to the user experience.
Yes, please PM me your IP address so I can take a look. When it chooses whether or not to show it says if your total searches in the last week is greater than zero and evenly divisible by 50, show the banner, otherwise don't. So I'm not sure how that would be possible.

Edit: Thanks for sending, I fixed that problem this morning. Originally the logic was just if the total searches divided by 50 had no remainder then show the banner. But I forgot it does this check before it saves your search in the logs, so it's possible to have 0 searches when doing this check. 0/50 has a remainder of zero, and thus it thinks it should show when it shouldn't. So I added the "searches greater than zero" part this morning and it should be fixed.
 
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I just want to say a big thank you to Namebio for all the free info you provide me with - I profit from that info and I know you put in a lot of work to get and display data. And you have always been very helpful and responsive on the forum, and informative.

Ads on Namebio don't bother me, that is the price of a free service and it's a bargain.
 
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I'll take a look, thanks. What's your screen resolution? That matters more than size. The banner is only 568x568 so I'm surprised to hear it can get cut off, although on tablets/phones it is responsive and shouldn't be an issue.


Yes, please PM me your IP address so I can take a look. When it chooses whether or not to show it says if your total searches in the last week is greater than zero and evenly divisible by 50, show the banner, otherwise don't. So I'm not sure how that would be possible.

Edit: Thanks for sending, I fixed that problem this morning. Originally the logic was just if the total searches divided by 50 had no remainder then show the banner. But I forgot it does this check before it saves your search in the logs, so it's possible to have 0 searches when doing this check. 0/50 has a remainder of zero, and thus it thinks it should show when it shouldn't. So I added the "searches greater than zero" part this morning and it should be fixed.


Thanks for confirming with my that my issue is fixed now. I suspect that means moving forward that given my volume I won't actually see it anymore though I still stand by my statement that its an overly aggressive means to advertise, and I truly hope you reconsider the popup in favor of less intrusive advertising.
 
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I'll take a look, thanks. What's your screen resolution? That matters more than size. The banner is only 568x568 so I'm surprised to hear it can get cut off, although on tablets/phones it is responsive and shouldn't be an issue.
My display resolution is 1360x768 (Landscape orientation)
 
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Thanks for confirming with my that my issue is fixed now. I suspect that means moving forward that given my volume I won't actually see it anymore though I still stand by my statement that its an overly aggressive means to advertise, and I truly hope you reconsider the popup in favor of less intrusive advertising.
Yes, based on your search volume it's highly unlikely you'd ever see the ad again. If you do and think you shouldn't have, please let me know in case there might be another bug.

Thanks for your feedback and for taking the time to send me your IP.
 
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Genuinely wondering what is the point of making anyone stare at a static ad for 45 minutes? That is enough to read everything there, then have the whole life flash in front of your eyes and still have plenty of time left )))

Honestly haven't seen something like that anywhere else. It is not good for the advertiser either. 15 sec is the max countdown I have come across.
 
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Genuinely wondering what is the point of making anyone stare at a static ad for 45 minutes? That is enough to read everything there, then have the whole life flash in front of your eyes and still have plenty of time left )))

Honestly haven't seen something like that anywhere else. It is not good for the advertiser either. 15 sec is the max countdown I have come across.
Ok, I hear you guys. It's 15 seconds now, I'll jump straight to the lowest I can go for testing, but if clicks are hurt too much I might need to inch it back up a little. Thanks.
 
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One more thing you need to do is test this ad in different laptop & screen sizes.

I guess i had 14 inch laptop and opened namebio in chrome browser (with browser zoom set to 100 which is default). In this case, the ad is such a big where at the bottom, i can't see your ad closing message and close button below until or unless i reduce browser zoom to 90 or so. This could be the blocker to your site.

Please have a look. Not sure how it is for other users.

Thanks,

bingo..when i posted this thread due to my laptop and zoom setings, i actually tought this ad went from having an X to close it.. to becoming an ad when we are forced to click it to make it go away and go to site...those too im sure exist..

so small correction to my thread and title.. as this seemed to eb some resolution and or ad size misunderstanding. i never saw the countdowon at bottom really

and thanks to @Michael for makin it shorter. we all work and provide services to make some revenue, so my thread wasnt to show i dont get that... but to ask if there are ways to use other less intrusive ads. which clearly is the case given the new solution

ty and lets get back to sales. reading bout em or making em :)
 
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I woke up today, on my birthday...

Happy Birthday Michael - and thank you for everything you do for the domaining community.
 
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@Michael should add a donation option and accept Crypto payment imo
 
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Do you guys complain that free cake is not vanilla flavored, only chocolate?
 
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I am a happy paid subscriber of Namebio. Michael has done a great job and I find the data very useful. It helps me analyze thousands of domains everyday. Michael is also very responsive and answers my question very quickly. As a paid subscriber I also see the ad but it does not bother me. I'm very thankful for this great service.
 
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I am a happy paid subscriber of Namebio. Michael has done a great job and I find the data very useful. It helps me analyze thousands of domains everyday. Michael is also very responsive and answers my question very quickly. As a paid subscriber I also see the ad but it does not bother me. I'm very thankful for this great service.
It shouldn't be possible for a paying member to see the ad. Are you sure you're logged in? Can you send me a screenshot the next time that happens? Thanks for the kind words.
 
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Are you sure you're logged in?
When I visit Namebio the first time in the morning, the ad pops up before I can sign in. It happened in the last few days.
 
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A late happy birthday @Michael - you should have told the group on the social hour so that we could have celebrated :xf.grin:.

Seriously, though, I think we should all appreciate the incredibly valuable resource that NameBio is for our community. I can't quite imagine domain investing without the NameBio database. In addition, as @Kassey Lee mentioned, Michael is responsive and helpful in individual requests. We should all be appreciative that the information is available to us, and accepting that NameBio need to monetize the operation. The user interface is outstanding, making it possible to query in so many different ways. Thank you.

Bob
 
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I woke up today, on my birthday
I'd like to take this opportunity to wish you a very happy birthday. Keep doing good work.
 
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My display resolution is 1360x768 (Landscape orientation)

so small correction to my thread and title.. as this seemed to eb some resolution and or ad size misunderstanding. i never saw the countdowon at bottom really
This should be sorted now, I tried it on a laptop all the way down to 1024x640. If you think of it please let me know if it still doesn't look ok. Thanks for pointing this out, I can imagine how frustrating that must have been not being able to close the popup because the button was off the screen.

When I visit Namebio the first time in the morning, the ad pops up before I can sign in. It happened in the last few days.
It shouldn't happen any more, I fixed the bug this morning. It'll never show when you're logged in though.

Sorry to everyone that this wasn't a smoother rollout. Part of being small is that we can make changes very quickly. Sometimes that's a good thing, my favorite times are when someone calls me with a feature request and I add it while they're still on the phone explaining it. But it can be a bad thing in that sometimes I don't test as thoroughly as I should, and I don't have a second pair of eyes to catch bugs.

So to recap where we stand now:

1. The banner won't show on your first search, when you haven't searched in 7+ days from that IP.
2. The timer has been reduced to 15 seconds from 45 seconds, although I might still have to tweak it.
3. The sizing issue on small displays that aren't quite small enough for mobile-responsive is fixed.
4. The anti-refresh is gone for now, but hopefully with the timer at 15 seconds that won't be as tempting.

Hopefully this is tolerable enough to not make people want to leave. I realize the ad unit is a bit in your face, and I'm sorry for that, but standard in-content banners rarely get clicked. While Ryan says that is BS, it isn't. That's why I had to spend a lot of time creating the auction widgets instead of just having them be static banners, so we could provide value to the drop catchers.

Thanks again everyone for the feedback and kind words.
 
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