The USA Political Thread

[lennco]

Here you can spout your USA political views.

Rules:
1. Keep it clean
2. No fighting
3. Respect the views of others.
4. US Political views, No Religious views
5. Have fun

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[mr-x]

 

[mr-x]

I did, obviously you're still a headline reader.

You completely missed the point of both articles then.. almost like you were responding to my post, not the article.

http://bfy.tw/IXmR

"South Korean government analysis has put North Korea's nuclear spending at $1.1 billion to $3.2 billion overall"

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/08/heres-how-much-a-nuclear-weapon-costs.html

How'd they get DOLLARS?

 

[JB Lions]

How'd they get DOLLARS?

What? You think the South Korean government is lying and other people who looked at this? Maybe, just do a bit of reading first next time.

Another one for you:

North Korean Nuclear weapons spending
2010 - $0.7bn
2011 - $0.7bn

http://www.icanw.org/the-facts/catastrophic-harm/a-diversion-of-public-resources/

I literally gave you a link in prior post, you are aware of Google and can search, learn, read on your own?

You need a checkup from the head up.

How do market sectors work? Ask JB, he knows EVERYTHING. He has the google AND all the twitters.

an atheist who believes his curse can influence events.

You're having a bad day.

 

[mr-x]

What? You think the South Korean government is lying and other people who looked at this? Maybe, just do a bit of reading first next time.

You need a checkup from the head up.

 

[johname]

 

[mr-x]

They can't trade dollars because it's been illegal for decades. NK couldn't even trade in EUROS without a banker risking prison. You know everything and nothing.

BTW, the only way the Iranians could convert their currency to Euro's was Obama administration broke the law to help them.

What? You think the South Korean government is lying and other people who looked at this? Maybe, just do a bit of reading first next time.

Another one for you:

North Korean Nuclear weapons spending
2010 - $0.7bn
2011 - $0.7bn

http://www.icanw.org/the-facts/catastrophic-harm/a-diversion-of-public-resources/

I literally gave you a link in prior post, you are aware of Google and can search, learn, read on your own?







You're having a bad day.

 

[JB Lions]

They can't trade dollars because it's been illegal for decades. NK couldn't even trade in EUROS without a banker risking prison. You know everything and nothing.

BTW, the only way the Iranians could convert their currency to Euro's was Obama administration broke the law to help them.

haha, wow. Yes, they got all that for free, didn't spend any money South Korean lying, all the sites out there monitoring this lying. Only mr-x knows the truth.

 

[mr-x]

haha, wow.

Dumb ass. They didn't spend billions of dollars. They may have spent billions ( more like millions ) of yuan but I can guarantee the exchange doesn't' translate to billions of dollars.

To quote you: Maybe try reading sometime.

NK doesn't trade in Dollars or Euros. They only cash NK receive is laundered through banks in China.

Not shocked it's never occurred to you NK uses slave labor. They export missile and nuclear technology. They may spend hundreds of millions of yuan but the tech is one of the few things they have to trade.

 

[JB Lions]

Dumb ass. They didn't spend billions of dollars. They may have spent billions ( more like millions ) of yuan but I can guarantee the exchange doesn't' translate to billions of dollars.

Yes, mr-x the world expert on North Korea nuclear spending. Yes, all the experts don't know how to use tools to convert. Thanks for blessing this thread with your insight, lol. You can't build all that with millions, you really post some stupid stuff sometimes, really clueless. Try again tomorrow.

 

[mr-x]

I thought you'd be tired of showing what an ignorant ass you are but hey, when your not busy owning yourself, I'll be here to help.

Yes, mr-x the world expert on North Korea nuclear spending. Thanks for blessing this thread with your insight, lol.[/quot]

 

[GILSAN]

Not “hoping he will fail.” But Kim has already gotten one big thing they’ve been after for years: Brutal dictator of a piddley little country is being legitimized as an equal to leader of one of the great world powers. Win!

Evidence of a lack of planning and preparation on the part of the US doesn’t bode well. Arguments are clearly laid out in the thread I posted.

NK has spent billions of dollars on their nuclear program. It’s their insurance policy. Mark my words, even if Kim says he will denuclearize, it won’t happen,

You basically have 3 choices with NK & Kim...
1. Leave things as they are and hope that eventually sanctions takes it's toll.
2. Go to war with NK, which the vast majority don't want
3. Start negotiating with the SOB, whether you like him or not.

What Trump did, that the Liberals and their MSM are refusing to acknowledge is that Trump put a lot of pressure on China (N. Korea's main trading partner) and the only country that had enough leverage to enforce International sanctions on NK by cutting supplies to and from them.

All this to force NK into the negotiation tables along with S. Korea and Japan. This was a hellava feat that Trump accomplished in a very short time span, despite having to fight against massive daily resistance with obstacles from Liberals, their Media, the Hollywood clowns and even RINOS.

So in your opinion who the hell should the US, China, S. Korea and Japan negotiate with, besides Kim? Maybe his yankee buddy, Rodman?

When Obama talked to Raul Castro, the Liberals and their Media kissed O's ass for a long time while singing "hallelujah brother".

When Obama negotiated the Nuclear deal with Iran and then sent an airplane with billions of dollars. The deal was a lousy one because it still allows Iran to keep key elements of its nuclear program intact and will remove other restraints in a few years, such as the ability to enrich uranium again.

Their nuclear facilities were not dismantled or destroyed. Yet we didn't hear the Liberals and their Media making any big noise about it and certainly NOT a PEEP from Enlytend or others about it, around here

So we'll see how the negotiations come out. Most people around the world feel some sort of excitement and some expectation that it could be a good start to end a conflict that's been going on for too long...

 

[GILSAN]

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I think we're gonna have a lot of fun with this pic...

 

[GILSAN]

 

[GILSAN]

Angela: Were are all our gold bars?
Donald: What gold bars?

 

[GILSAN]

The last Covfefe...

 

[GILSAN]

 

[enlytend]

1) By having our head of state meet with him, we are legitimizing a dictator who has starved his people, who jails tortures and kills political opponents. Who kills people with nerve gas, flame throwers, anti aircraft guns. Who has killed his own family.
2) Negotiate? Fine. But do it right, dont go in half assed leading a clown parade:

The top US diplomat in charge of NK policy resigned in Feb
The State Dept's top nuclear expert resigned in May
We still don't have an ambassador to SK

State department positions still unfilled:
Special Advisor, Nonproliferation & Arms Control
Special Envoy, NK Human Rights Issues
Special Rep., Nuclear Nonproliferation

Expertise matters. Normally you have these people negotiate for months to lay a framework before the top leaders get involved

Instead what do we have ? Gorka, Hannity and Rodman? Led by an egomaniac who thinks he can “feel” and figure it all out in the first minute? Puleeze.

 

[enlytend]

As for the Iranian deal, read something other than Breitbart and Faux News for a change. Details of the agreement: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_nuclear_deal_framework

They were meeting the conditions of the agreement. By backing out, the US damaged our credibility. You think that won’t affect negotiations with NK ?

This “summit” will essentially be a “meet and greet”. NK will wiggle out of any promises they make about getting rid of their nukes.

 

[enlytend]

HART: Homeland Security’s Massive New Database Will Include Face Recognition, DNA, and Peoples’ “Non-Obvious Relationships”

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2018/...atabase-will-include-face-recognition-dna-and

 

[RogueWriter]

Some predictions on the upcoming summit: an empty promise of denuclearization (in exchange for various concessions on the part of the US) which will be dangled like a carrot to get even more from the US, then rescinded as soon as it’s convenient.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1005799131581952000.html

Can't do worse than Barack did with Iran. Until I see unmarked planes unloading pallets laden with hundred dollar bills, I will with hold judgment.

 

[RogueWriter]

HART: Homeland Security’s Massive New Database Will Include Face Recognition, DNA, and Peoples’ “Non-Obvious Relationships”

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2018/...atabase-will-include-face-recognition-dna-and

Which is occasionally referred to as Facebook.

 

[mr-x]

Talking is better than war.

While the speed of events, the lack of "process" and bureaucracy are unsettling, keep in mind;

NK is a nuclear power and is willing to sell that tech to anyone. Any war with NK will be short, but millions of people will be displaced, 10's of thousands of civilians may die on both sides of the Korean DMZ.

1) By having our head of state meet with him, we are legitimizing a dictator who has starved his people, who jails tortures and kills political opponents. Who kills people with nerve gas, flame throwers, anti aircraft guns. Who has killed his own family.
2) Negotiate? Fine. But do it right, dont go in half assed leading a clown parade:

The top US diplomat in charge of NK policy resigned in Feb
The State Dept's top nuclear expert resigned in May
We still don't have an ambassador to SK

State department positions still unfilled:
Special Advisor, Nonproliferation & Arms Control
Special Envoy, NK Human Rights Issues
Special Rep., Nuclear Nonproliferation

Expertise matters. Normally you have these people negotiate for months to lay a framework before the top leaders get involved

Instead what do we have ? Gorka, Hannity and Rodman? Led by an egomaniac who thinks he can “feel” and figure it all out in the first minute? Puleeze.

 

[mr-x]

99% of democrats claiming Trump is getting played by Kim, supported the IRAN agreement. An Agreement so secret, Congress didn't even get to read it.

Thiessen: Obama lies on Iran come to surface
http://www.bostonherald.com/opinion/op_ed/2018/06/thiessen_obama_lies_on_iran_come_to_surface

Secret Obama-Era Permit Let Iran Convert Funds to Dollars
https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2018/06/06/us/politics/ap-us-united-states-iran.html
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Billions of yuan.... NK's only export is stolen missile and nuclear technology.

N Korea helping Iran with nuclear testing
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1540429/N-Korea-helping-Iran-with-nuclear-testing.html

Iran's Partnership With North Korea On Nukes And Missiles May Scuttle Any Deal
https://www.forbes.com/sites/donald...issiles-may-scuttle-a-real-deal/#8930696b61b4

Pentagon: Iran Tested a Ballistic Missile With North Korean Origins
https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a24986/iran-missile-north-korea/

North Korea Possibly Supplying Missile Technology to Iran -- Did Obama Know
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/feb/4/north-korea-possibly-supplying-missile-technology-/

 

[Kate]

NK does not pose an immediate threat but is a troublesome nation for sure.
On the other hand Russia is more of an immediate concern but 45 not only looks the other way and continues to laud its elected despot.

Can you imagine how Reagan would handle Russia, to begin with he would not have allowed Russia to annex Crimea and invade the east of Ukraine to wage a dirty war (yes Obama is at fault here, but he has no illusions about Putin).
He would have stood very strongly with the UK, a nation against which Russia has perpetrated chemical and nuclear terrorism.
He certainly wouldn't be calling for G7 to reintegrate Russia and reward Putin. Never.
Instead 45 rebukes the UK PM and trashes allies while cozying up with dictators. He actively undermines allies and US national security.
What a pathetic Russian tool. This is borderline treason. At some point incompetence becomes a crime.

Can you imagine the uproar if any other person in office (even a Republican) was behaving with the same kind of arrogance, recklessness and amateurism ? There would be calls for impeachment from all sides, and maybe confinement in a psychiatric ward.

Kim can see what allies see: the US is not a reliable partner, certainly less than it used to be.
Why would he even think about giving up weapons in exchange for security guarantees, when it's clear the US does not feel compelled to honor agreements. Of course, he's not giving up his nukes ever, somebody fool enough to believe that deserves to be fooled and that may be happening.

 

[mr-x]

Reagan talked with Gorbachev while supporting dissent in Poland.

NK depends on both China and Russia. Russia is also in Syria.

Kim will try to win economic relief and keep some part of his nuclear program. So what? What's really arrogant are all the Internet diplomats pretending they know how to best to deal with a situation they learned of only through the media.

I'll be praying President Trump, Minister of Japan, and President of South Korea are successful b/c a lot of lives depend on it.