Someone is Trying to Spread Lies About Me!!

[BrandBoogie]

Hello, everyone. My name is Mike and I've been on NamePros for about a month now. Love it here! I mainly sell domains on auction, but always read through the threads and will post something every now and then. I have 5 different business accounts (702, BrandBoogie, DomainsFristRate.com, Domaintrics & HottestDomainNames), and plan on adding more.

Anyway, it was brought to my attention that someone has accused me of shill bidding which is 100% untrue. I would never do something so low and stupid. I am grateful to be on here, and would never do something to jeopardize my reputation. I plan on selling domains on here for years!

She's trying to say that @domainstab is one of my business accounts, and that I was using his account to shill bid. I have done business with him in the past. He is an excellent buyer and has always been extremely friendly. I had recently sold him a domain (BloggerBlogs.com). Instead of pushing it to his GoDaddy account he chose to have it transferred to another registrar which can take a few days, but she states that since the whois didn't change immediately I must be shill bidding. It wouldn't normally bother me to be accused of something that I didn't do, I would just ignore it, but a few people have brought it to my attention and my reputation is at stake. Here is the link... https://www.antidomains.com/DomainTricks.html

Please let me know what you think about this. Also, anyone that has done business with me please let me know what you think of this too. Thank you!

 

[triplec0886]

Whois isn’t even 100% reliable because I’ve had domains transferred to me that still had the previous owners info attached. Glad to help man.

 

[Chris Hydrick]

Here is the link... https://www.antidomains.com/DomainTricks.html

Please let me know what you think about this.

Hi Mike -- sorry to be getting acquainted under these circumstances -- I am still a bit confused. I think what some, including myself forget, is that NamePros allows unlimited business accounts. I think the caveat is that it's against the TOS to bid on another one of your accounts auctions. Because to my knowledge it isn't common for a member to be operating five business accounts, some members are alarmed when they detect this, especially if they find an account appearing to be shill bidding. Thus, if you have never bid on any of your auctions with any of your five accounts, then you have done nothing wrong, and this is in fact a big misunderstanding. The sixth account is a wildcard as I think that was an account believed to have connected all the accounts?

@Eric Lyon @Paul Buonopane -- Since NP allows unlimited business accounts, is there some what of publicly showing which are connected? This will IMO avoid any confusion going forward, and can prevent such matters, and add to greater transparency! I assume NP staff has knowledge of which accounts are connected, it would be nice to see them publicly connected, especially if the accounts aren't just auction accounts, and they participate other threads.

Let's hope this gets cleared up, and comes to a pleasant resolution resulting in positive change.

 

[creataweb]

Curious why someone needs so many accounts?

 

[BrandBoogie]

You only get 6 threads per account, so if you want to have more than 6 auctions at a time you need to get an additional account. I think it would be easier to just get an additional 6 threads on just the one account. I'm going to try and change my account names to BrandBoogie1, BrandBoogie2, etc.., so it doesn;t seem like I'm trying to anything shady.

 

[BrandBoogie]

Hi Mike -- sorry to be getting acquainted under these circumstances -- I am still a bit confused. I think what some, including myself forget, is that NamePros allows unlimited business accounts. I think the caveat is that it's against the TOS to bid on another one of your accounts auctions. Because to my knowledge it isn't common for a member to be operating five business accounts, some members are alarmed when they detect this, especially if they find an account to be shill bidding. Thus, if you have never bid on any of your auctions with any of your five accounts, then you have done nothing wrong. The sixth account is a wildcard as I think that was an account believed to have connected all the accounts?

@Eric Lyon @Paul Buonopane -- Since NP allows unlimited business accounts, is there some what of publicly showing which are connected? This will IMO avoid any confusion going forward, and can prevent such matters, and add to greater transparency. I assume NP staff has knowledge of which accounts are connected, it would be nice to see them publicly connected, especially if the accounts aren't just auction accounts, and they participate other threads.

Let's hope this gets cleared up, and comes to a pleasant resolution resulting in positive change.

Yes, I agree with this, but I do list all of auctions the exact same way.

 

[Chris Hydrick]

Curious why someone needs so many accounts?

If a domainer wants to go hard in the paint, they are limited to 6 active marketplace listing's. So 5 accounts = 30 listings. Sports icon(s) have said, "You miss 100% of the shots you don't take." So rather than letting domains expire (or combining multiple domains in each auction) it appears this member tried the multiple account method. Why the accounts weren't labled something more transparent like BrandBoogie1, BrandBoogie2, BrandBoogie3, etc, is beyond me.

Speculative: Not sure if you are allowed to sell NP accounts, but it dawned on me, one could build up NamePros accounts, as some find value in established accounts.

 

[BrandBoogie]

If a domainer wants to go hard in the paint, they are limited to 6 active marketplace listing's. So 5 accounts = 30 listings. Sports icon(s) have said, "You miss 100% of the shots you don't take." So rather than letting domains expire (or combining multiple domains in each auction) it appears this member tried the multiple account method.

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Why the accounts weren't labled something more transparent like BrandBoogie1, BrandBoogie2, BrandBoogie3, etc, is beyond me. Speculative: Not sure if you are allowed to sell NP accounts, but it dawned on me, one could build up NamePros accounts, as some find value in established accounts.

Yes, I agree. I have about 200 domains that will be expiring soon, and $10 per month, per account is an amazing deal! You get 6 threads, and you can sell a few domains on just 1 thread per month. I'm happy to even sell a domain for $5. Definitely beats Flippa. I was on there for a year and would actually take a loss sometimes. Wish I discovered NamePros auctions A LONG time ago! Definitely a lifesaver. Which is why I'm so concerned about these lies. I would never want to jeopardize this!

 

[Chris Hydrick]

Wish I discovered NamePros auctions A LONG time ago! Definitely a lifesaver. Which is why I'm so concerned about these lies. I would never want to jeopardize this!

Glad you found NP then! I think it's important for everyone to simmer down, and let everything come to light. If you didn't bid on any of your own domains with those five accounts, and aren't connected to the sixth account, then you have nothing to be concerned with. I understand these are some serious allegations, but it appears to be quite an abnormal situation, that at some point or another, would eventually need to be addressed. It's unfortunate you had to be the tester, but I think, that some good could come from having this discussion. At the end, if everything is clear, I assume retractions will be written, and you will be recognized as a legit seller on NamePros.

 

[BrandBoogie]

Glad you found NP then! I think it's important for everyone to simmer down, and let everything come to light. If you didn't bid on any of your own domains with those five accounts, and aren't connected to the sixth account, then you have nothing to be concerned with. I understand these are some serious allegations, but it appears to be quite an abnormal situation, that at some point or another, would eventually need to be addressed. It's unfortunate you had to be the tester, but I think, that some good could come from having this discussion. At the end, if everything is clear, I assume retractions will be written, and you will be recognized as a legit seller on NamePros.

Thank you. I appreciate that.

 

[BrandBoogie]

Also hope @domainstab gets in on this too.

 

[DomainGist]

Perhaps namepros should just offer 'bolt ons' where you get 6 auction listings, but for double the money you get 12 and triple you get 18 or something. Could call them 'Business Account', 'Business Diamond' and 'Business Platinum' or something.

 

[BrandBoogie]

Perhaps namepros should just offer 'bolt ons' where you get 6 auction listings, but for double the money you get 12 and triple you get 18 or something. Could call them 'Business Account', 'Business Diamond' and 'Business Platinum' or something.

Yes! That's a great idea. It definitely make things a lot easier then juggling different accounts around.

 

[BrandBoogie]

The link no longer works and the site is no longer up by the way.

 

[Chris Hydrick]

Perhaps namepros should just offer 'bolt ons' where you get 6 auction listings, but for double the money you get 12 and triple you get 18 or something. Could call them 'Business Account', 'Business Diamond' and 'Business Platinum' or something.

Great suggestion!

The link no longer works and the site is no longer up by the way.

I assume temporary.

While I understand your frustration towards the site, I appreciate the sites owner ability to parse, and aggregate data. I have no idea how it was determined you were operating with 5 different NP accounts, but it was. The tricky part now (because of WHOIS change -- or lack there of) is determining your relation to the 6th account, that has bid on auctions from most (if not all) of your other accounts. It certainly does help when all parties are forthright with reasonable explanations. Hidden details is what we trust NP staff like @Kenny, and others to check IP logs among other technical facets they have access to, that ordinary members don't have access to.

With that said, I appreciate your cooperation. I hope you understand if this is truly a misunderstanding, that something needs to be done to alert other members that one seller is actively operating multiple different business accounts. This could end up being a win for transparency moving forward, and safeguards could be instilled to further the best in class trust of the NP marketplace.

 

[BrandBoogie]

I have the Paypal receipt if anyone would like to see it.

 

[DomainGist]

You sure he wants his address and email address all over the forum? He may want to register with privacy!

 

[Chris Hydrick]

You sure he wants his address and email address all over the forum? He may want to register with privacy!

FWIW -- it's a mail forwarding physical address, and not a residential address.

 

[BrandBoogie]

Great suggestion!



I assume temporary.

While I understand your frustration towards the site, I appreciate the sites owner ability to parse, and aggregate data. I have no idea how it was determined you were operating with 5 different NP accounts, but it was. The tricky part now (because of WHOIS change -- or lack there of) is determining your relation to the 6th account, that has bid on auctions from most (if not all) of your other accounts. It certainly does help when all parties are forthright with reasonable explanations. Hidden details is what we trust NP staff like @Kenny, and others to check IP logs among other technical facets they have access to, that ordinary members don't have access to.

With that said, I appreciate your cooperation. I hope you understand if this is truly a misunderstanding, that something needs to be done to alert other members that one seller is actively operating multiple different business accounts. This could end up being a win for transparency moving forward, and safeguards could be instilled to further the best in class trust of the NP marketplace.

I had the exact same signature on all 5 of my business accounts. With domains that were on auction. Wasn't hard to figure out that I had 5 separate accounts if you clicked on each one of the domains. I wasn't aware that you couldn't cross reference until yesterday.

 

[Eric Lyon]

To accuse someone of doing something illegal like shill bidding simply because they have multiple Business Accounts is irresponsible and unprofessional. However, if you feel multiple accounts warrants an investigation, you're more than welcome to investigate on your own and alert us if you find anything.

We know which accounts are connected and if there is any cause for concern or investigation ("They have multiple accounts" does not qualify), then we can look into it and research it. Since some people accuse others of doing illegal things simply because they have multiple accounts, we aren't going to contribute to that type of irresponsible behavior by making it easier for them to find innocent targets. Learn more.

It's worth mentioning that multiple domains can be sold in a single thread but admittedly that can get messy and difficult for everyone to follow (Buyers and sellers). Distinct threads are more organized and easier for everyone. We're expecting to improve this process soon.

Not sure if you are allowed to sell NP accounts, but it dawned on me, one could build up NamePros accounts, as some find value in established accounts.

This would be a good thing for us to cover in a FAQ: we do not allow selling of NamePros accounts.

Perhaps namepros should just offer 'bolt ons' where you get 6 auction listings, but for double the money you get 12 and triple you get 18 or something. Could call them 'Business Account', 'Business Diamond' and 'Business Platinum' or something.

Excellent idea, but a good deal of work to setup unfortunately. Eventually

 

[Eric Lyon]

To be clear, @BrandBoogie has listed all of his accounts that we know about in the first post of this thread. That was his choice. Multiple moderators have looked into this and I have not been informed of any wrongdoing or unethical activity by him. As always, we will take swift action if we find/receive any evidence of foul play. As far as we are concerned, members are innocent until proven otherwise.

Hope that helps,

 

[Eric Lyon]

I've commented in this thread to provide clarity on the situation explained in the title and first post. Secondary topics and debates do not belong in this thread. If you'd like to discuss NamePros policies, procedures, or request features, we'll be more than happy to respond in the proper forum. Please follow the rules.

Thanks for understanding,

Edit: JB started a thread if anyone is interested: https://www.namepros.com/threads/lack-of-transparency-multiple-business-accounts.1057469/

 

[domainstab]

Hello everyone. Thank you for this thread and happy new year.

Rest assure our account is an individual account and related to one company/person not affiliated nor connected with any accounts here in NP. So there's nothing about shill bidding as mentioned and most have been mentioning.

We have our own internal company's policies we know well what we're doing and what plan and budget we're running. Simply we're trying to buy interesting domains and hold them for end-users. We have our own strategy.

Back to the main point I can confirm everything posted is wrong and untrue. We have no affiliation with @BrandBoogie as matter of fact you can check our account was created on Jan 23, 2011 around 7 years old. We weren't active until we started actively a month or two ago.

And thanks to @Eric Lyon to clarify everything they got the IP logs and all information that clearly shows what we're talking about. Please stop this debate as really we're doing business privately, let me tell you why.

Let's say I bought a domain here for $X or $XX or $XXX amount of dollars and approached an end-user to sell this domain for $XXXX and he finds that we bought the domain here we'll definitely lose his trust and won't win the deal. Simply we're keeping such information private, plus we're registering the company and have our own business address and phone numbers this is why yet some domains WHOIS not updated. We're still in the setup phase from branding, accounting, management, etc.

Please don't hurt our business and investment by time wasting debates and close all threads talking about that plus remove the info at AntiDomains

Thank you for understanding and nice to meet you all!

 

[BrandBoogie]

Hello everyone. Thank you for this thread and happy new year.

Rest assure our account is an individual account and related to one company/person not affiliated nor connected with any accounts here in NP. So there's nothing about shill bidding as mentioned and most have been mentioning.

We have our own internal company's policies we know well what we're doing and what plan and budget we're running. Simply we're trying to buy interesting domains and hold them for end-users. We have our own strategy.

Back to the main point I can confirm everything posted is wrong and untrue. We have no affiliation with @BrandBoogie as matter of fact you can check our account was created on Jan 23, 2011 around 7 years old. We weren't active until we started actively a month or two ago.

And thanks to @Eric Lyon to clarify everything they got the IP logs and all information that clearly shows what we're talking about. Please stop this debate as really we're doing business privately, let me tell you why.

Let's say I bought a domain here for $X or $XX or $XXX amount of dollars and approached an end-user to sell this domain for $XXXX and he finds that we bought the domain here we'll definitely lose his trust and won't win the deal. Simply we're keeping such information private, plus we're registering the company and have our own business address and phone numbers this is why yet some domains WHOIS not updated. We're still in the setup phase from branding, accounting, management, etc.

Please don't hurt our business and investment by time wasting debates and close all threads talking about that plus remove the info at AntiDomains

Thank you for understanding and nice to meet you all!

Thanks for your post.

 

[domainstab]

FWIW -- it's a mail forwarding physical address, and not a residential address.

It's a temporary address used until the company registration is complete. Besides this has been verified by the bank so I think it's enough and safe as long a Bank said Ok for it.