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Hi guys, I received the following below letters within a 12-day time span from American Express for the domain name centurion.shop. Should I be worried given that:
  • Centurion is a generic English or Historical term that has been used for over a millennia. Remember the Roman Centurions?
  • Centurion is a city name in South Africa.
  • Centurion is a name used by thousands of businesses globally. Does AMEX have exclusive rights to a domain name that is being used by thousands of businesses across the world?
  • AMEX once lost a UDRP for the domain name centurion.cc. In that case, the user was even using AMEX style branding on its porn website but the panel still ruled in Respondent's favour.
  • personally, I wasn't even aware that American Express had a product/brand called centurion but I guess that is hard to prove in a court of law.
How many of you have experienced this? Should I be worried? What will their next moves be after the second notice letter? I plan to defend my right to the domain name all the way.

Here are the letters:-


08-Mar-2017

Dear Domain Admin,

American Express Company or an affiliated company (“American Express”) is the owner of the well-known trademark and trade name Centurion. As you are no doubt aware, Centurion is a trademark used to identify products, services, activities and events related to American Express.

You have registered, without American Express’s permission or authorization, the domain name ‘centurion.shop’. The Domain Name incorporates the famous Centurion mark in its entirety and suggests American Express’s sponsorship or endorsement of your website. Our records do not show that Domain Admin is affiliated with American Express or authorized to use its trademarks. If you are affiliated with American Express, we ask that you advise us and we will review.

In view of American Express’s rights to the trademark Centurion, we ask that you immediately discontinue any and all use of the Domain Name and take steps to transfer the Domain Name to American Express.

Should you require additional information or wish to further discuss this issue, please contact the undersigned.

This letter is without prejudice to any of American Express’ rights and remedies, all of which are expressly reserved.

Sincerely,

American Express Trademark Enforcement



Second Letter:

Dear Domain Admin,


This is our SECOND communication with you. Please be advised that American Express Company or an affiliated company (“American Express”) is the owner of the well-known trademark and trade name Centurion. As you are no doubt aware, Centurion is the trademark used to identify products, services, activities and events related to American Express.

In connection to American Express’s proprietary rights over its famous trademark we bring to your attention the following:

1) You have registered, without American Express’s permission or authorization, the domain name ‘centurion.shop’. The Domain Name incorporates the famous Centurion mark in its entirety, and, by its very composition, suggests American Express’s sponsorship or endorsement of your website and correspondingly, your activities.

2) Your use of a Domain Name that incorporates the famous Centurion mark in its entirety constitutes trademark infringement and dilution of American Express’s trademark rights and unfair competition. Your use of our mark in the Domain Name is diluting use because it weakens the ability of the Centurion mark and domain name to identify a single source, namely American Express. Further, your registration and use of the Domain Name misleads consumers into believing that some association exists between American Express and you, which tarnishes the goodwill and reputation of American Express’s products, services, and trademarks.

In view of your infringement of our rights, we must demand that you provide written assurances that you will:
1. Immediately discontinue any and all use of the Domain Name;

2. Take immediate steps to transfer the Domain Name to American Express;

3. Identify and agree to transfer to American Express any other domain names registered by you that contain Centurion or are confusingly similar to the Centurion mark;

4. Immediately and permanently refrain from any use of the term Centurion or any variation thereof that is likely to cause confusion or dilution;

This letter is without prejudice to any of American Express’ rights and remedies, all of which are expressly reserved.

Sincerely,

American Express Trademark Enforcement
 
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I think that Dordomai means that the name is pretty much worthless and your time and effort is better spent elsewhere.. I would tend to agree with that assessment.


The worth of domain name really depends on the end user. One man's meat..... In this case, me being an end user who took the time to hand register the name, it is worth something to me.
 
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What does it cost for a company to proceed with legal action i would say cheaper to buy. I would probably cave in due to the worry of it all.
 
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Thank you for your domain enquiry...Then address their concerns that it won't be used for anything to do with their business like the the many ventures using same name. Then ask for payment in escrow for $xxxx since i not currently accepting other payment methods.


If they ask me me to address that, I will definitely address it and even put a disclaimer. So far, they simply want to hijack it.
 
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The worth of domain name really depends on the end user. One man's meat..... In this case, me being an end user who took the time to hand register the name, it is worth something to me.

According to your posts it was for sale and you only put up the blog after you received notice from them. A fact they will be able to verify now that you posted it here.
 
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The "thought process" that went into selection of the domain name? I am a Kenyan and I have visited South Africa before. I even run two South African focused blogs. I had heard of Centurion in the context of the South African city
Alright. But did you reply to Amex ? If you have a valid development model, why don't you just explain them that it is a misunderstanding ?

and of course the Roman Centurion. Everybody knows the centurions, especially me being a history buff.
Yes, but it's not a relevant point here. You are not blogging about Roman Centurions. You can't use them to uphold your current use of the domain name, unless the city of Centurion has a Roman past.

Are you suggesting that it is impossible for someone to blog about countries or regions they don't reside in?
Not at all, some people like to blog about travel and I am in a similar situation.
It all comes down to the plausibility of your defense. As said above, UDRP panelists are not dumb and can smell BS. Sometimes, respondents put up minisites just to pretend they are using the domain in good faith, yet they registered it with the TM holder in mind.

Also, like @dordomai said, if Amex can figure out the other domains that you own, and they see a pattern of bad faith, or otherwise dubious, 'borderline' registrations, then your position will look weak at UDRP.

I happen to have very wide interests.
Me too.

I was just thinking like a UDRP panelist :)

I think it is in your interest to respond (or give up). Maybe they will do nothing but continue to monitor your site and your actions. Maybe they'll escalate the claim to UDRP, and while you could prevail, are you willing to take a chance and pick up a fight ? :)
If you have a lawyer, seek legal counsel now. Sometimes a letter from a lawyer will restore the balance of power and put an end to the controversy.
Disclaimer: not qualified legal advice.
 
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Those just trying to scare you with their big company name... but also big companies are scared easily...
 
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According to your posts it was for sale and you only put up the blog after you received notice from them. A fact they will be able to verify now that you posted it here.

Does listing a generic domain name for sale water down my legitimate rights to the name? I don't think so. AMEX's claim to the name is really tenuous. If I registered it in good faith, I can do whatever I like with it as long as I am not infringing on anyone's marks or acting in bad faith.
 
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Acting in bad faith is simply listing it for sale.
Centurion is not generic! There's a plethora of trademarks filled for this name and AMEX is just 1 company that owns that TM.
There are to many good domains out there to mess with Trademark keywords.
Have you heard of Trademarkia.com/T.E.S.S website?
If you are not using it every single time you purchase a domain name then you will end up in the same situation again in the future.
You stand no chance on defending your case, so DROP the name or offer to transfer it to them AT COST(whatever you paid to register the name).
 
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Are they aware they are not the only company that has registered the trademark?
 
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Alright. But did you reply to Amex ? If you have a valid development model, why don't you just explain them that it is a misunderstanding ?

I explained everything when they sent first email and then they sent the second notice.



It all comes down to the plausibility of your defense. As said above, UDRP panelists are not dumb and can smell BS. Sometimes, respondents put up minisites just to pretend they are using the domain in good faith, yet they registered it with the TM holder in mind.

It would be very wild conjecture for a panelist to conclude that my initial motives (they don't do mind reading do they?) for registering a three week old domain name were bad where I have not taken any actions that show bad faith. I think they will really act on the evidence presented to them and not go on a hunch.


if Amex can figure out the other domains that you own, and they see a pattern of bad faith, or otherwise dubious, 'borderline' registrations, then your position will look weak at UDRP.

Great. They have a huge sample data to work with that I can freely offer them. 168 generic domain names registered in past two months including centurion.shop

while you could prevail, are you willing to take a chance and pick up a fight?

Yes. I have seen respondents win UDRP cases without even a reply! In this case, I will put my case forward and hope for the best.
 
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Acting in bad faith is simply listing it for sale.

Well, it is no longer for sale. Just an idea I toyed with before I changed my mind to develop it into a travel website.

Check AMEX vs Centurion.cc. It could go their way or my way.
 
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AMEX has a right to make a claim, but so do all the other registered trademark owners. What if they all put in a claim, who would have the legal right to acquire it?
 
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Centurion is a generic keyword domain name. AMEX didn't coin the name. It has been in existence for thousands of years. The fact that AMEX and over 1000+ other companies trademarked variations of the name around the world does not change the fact. It all boils down to fair use or bad faith. Am I using the domain name to confuse AMEX customers? No. Am I posting AMEX creatives and links on the website? No. There is simply no abuse. Why does AMEX feel it has greater claim to the name than the 100s or 1000s of other companies globally using the name "centurion"?
 
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You mess with fire, you get burned...good luck!
 
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Acting in bad faith is simply listing it for sale.
Centurion is not generic! There's a plethora of trademarks filled for this name and AMEX is just 1 company that owns that TM.
There are to many good domains out there to mess with Trademark keywords.
Have you heard of Trademarkia.com/T.E.S.S website?
If you are not using it every single time you purchase a domain name then you will end up in the same situation again in the future.
You stand no chance on defending your case, so DROP the name or offer to transfer it to them AT COST(whatever you paid to register the name).
Listing it for sale is NOT an act of bad faith.
 
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I think the reason they want the domain is it could be confused with Amex products because of the word "shopping".

Assuming you registered centurion.net or centurion.org they would not have bothered.
 
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I agree, listing it for sale is NOT an act of bad faith at all.

I live in South Africa, if I registered Centurion.shop and created a blog about Centurion and then took the blog down and decided to put the domain up for sale...... I would be totally entitled to do so as it's my asset. Not bad faith at all.

According to the OP, the actual truth of the matter was that the domain was not registered in bad faith, he had no intention of trying to affiliate with the Amex brand nor was he attempting to sell the domain to them.
 
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Listing it for sale is NOT an act of bad faith.

and I quote:

Guidelines for Finding Bad Faith

a. Primary Purpose to Sell the Name to the Trademark Owner or a Competitor

In Educational Testing Service v. TOEFL (toefl.com) D2000-0044, the Panel inferred bad faith registration from bad faith use, even where the Respondent's only use was an offer to sell the disputed domain name on a public Internet auction site.


It doesn't matter if you wanted to sell the name to them or NOT. If the name is TM and you list it on a marketplace a TM holder has LEGITIMATE rights to that name...above is just one example.

So if you ever had Centurion.shop for sale and AMEX took a screenshot on that listing it's bad faith period. It doesn't matter if you latter on put a blog up or whatever...
 
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again why are you registering trademarked keywords??
 
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and I quote:

Guidelines for Finding Bad Faith

a. Primary Purpose to Sell the Name to the Trademark Owner or a Competitor

In Educational Testing Service v. TOEFL (toefl.com) D2000-0044, the Panel inferred bad faith registration from bad faith use, even where the Respondent's only use was an offer to sell the disputed domain name on a public Internet auction site.


It doesn't matter if you wanted to sell the name to them or NOT. If the name is TM and you list it on a marketplace a TM holder has LEGITIMATE rights to that name...above is just one example.

So if you ever had Centurion.shop for sale and AMEX took a screenshot on that listing it's bad faith period. It doesn't matter if you latter on put a blog up or whatever...

"Guidelines for Finding Bad Faith

a. Primary Purpose to Sell the Name to the Trademark Owner or a Competitor"


Your example is not the same as the domain in question: You can't tell me that Amex has more right to the name than a South African resident who lives in Centurion and even better owns a shop in Centurion too...
 
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"Guidelines for Finding Bad Faith

a. Primary Purpose to Sell the Name to the Trademark Owner or a Competitor"

Your example is not the same as the domain in question: You can't tell me that Amex has more right to the name than a South African resident who lives in Centurion and even better owns a shop in Centurion too...


@shopman clearly stated in his previous post:

"Actually, I wanted to either sell the domain name or use it for a Centurion South Africa tourist site. Right now it is on a for sale landing page."

Since the domain had a for sale landing page, HE used the name in BAD FAITH.
After the first letter from Amex he put up a blog.


I was trying to educate people so we "domain investors" are not seen as cybersquatters and sleazeballs because a certain few decide to register trademark domain names and put them up for sale.
If he didn't do it on purpose COOL, do the right thing and transfer the trademark owner the name.




Enough from me...good luck!
 
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@shopman clearly stated in his previous post:

"Actually, I wanted to either sell the domain name or use it for a Centurion South Africa tourist site. Right now it is on a for sale landing page."

If it had a for sale landing page, HE used the name in BAD FAITH.
It doesn't matter if he lived on the Moon or South Africa.

I was trying to educate people so we "domain investors" are not seen as cybersquaters and sleazeballs because a certain few decide to register trademark domain names.

Enough from me...good luck!

Read your own quote AGAIN!

"Guidelines for Finding Bad Faith

a. Primary Purpose to Sell the Name to the Trademark Owner or a Competitor"

The terms of what constitutes bad faith is clear... it does not say having the domain for sale is considered bad faith...it clearly says selling the name to the TM owner or a Competitor is bad faith! This is not what the OP was doing.

Im not supporting registering TM domains, nor was I condoning cybersquatting BUT this is clearly not what the Op is doing...
 
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and I quote:

Guidelines for Finding Bad Faith

a. Primary Purpose to Sell the Name to the Trademark Owner or a Competitor

In Educational Testing Service v. TOEFL (toefl.com) D2000-0044, the Panel inferred bad faith registration from bad faith use, even where the Respondent's only use was an offer to sell the disputed domain name on a public Internet auction site.


It doesn't matter if you wanted to sell the name to them or NOT. If the name is TM and you list it on a marketplace a TM holder has LEGITIMATE rights to that name...above is just one example.

So if you ever had Centurion.shop for sale and AMEX took a screenshot on that listing it's bad faith period. It doesn't matter if you latter on put a blog up or whatever...

Primary Purpose to Sell the Name to the Trademark Owner or a Competitor,
is the only bad faith purchase for sale if it can be proven.
Using an example of a bad decision "inferred" is not enough.
There is ZERO evidence the purchaser "intended" to sell directly to any of the 1000+ TM holders
There is 1000+ examples of "bad faith" rulings and hundreds of examples of the "bad faith" rulings overturned.
No 1 company is "entitled" to any domain that contains "part" of the TM period.
If the domain can be used in a category not protected by any associated TM there is legitimate use, there is legitimate offer to sell.
AMEX does not have "exclusive use" of the term nor does any of the other TM holders of the term. period.
No TM holder has legitimate rights just because a term they have TM is for sale. WRONG AGAIN>
Should "exclusive use "of a term ever come into play there would be no business names available!
 
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