new gtlds Speculations on New gTLDs

[atinc]

Speculations on Domain Industry

There is one thing which is crystal clear about domain industry :

• Dot Com investors hate the new gTLDs!

Why? Because before the new G era, "the domain investors" invested on millions of dot Com domains, even a regular domainer today held hundreds of domains in their portfolio.

The new gTLDs have been the biggest nightmare for the serious dot Com investors and will continue to be..

When you see the statistics, dot Com domain sales dropped dramatically since the new gTLDs introduced to the market.

The demand on new extensions excited millions of people all over the world since it is an unexplored land on Web.

There are thousands of generic names available to be registered.

Comparing to dot Com, where people registering 4 letter non-sense domains or ridiculous made up (brandable) names...

Most of you know that travel.agency sold for 3000 USD in the beginning of this year.

Earlier travel.agency sold for $9999 at Flippa in May 2016.

And today Travel.Agency directs to a ridiculous domain name : http://www.jdjdjdjdjdjdj.com/

Search and see yourself...

I personally believe that the owner of travel.agency is still the same person since the day it was registered.

Pure speculation that hits the top news on every domain related media available on the Web.

Ever since the news about travel.agency, there have been dozens of topics created on domain related websites..

Nice move by dot Com speculators against their biggest competitor: the new gTLDs.

But not smart enough..

The first domain was registered back at 1985 and it was a dot Com, yet majority of the Million Dollar domain sales took place between 2007-2017.

The industry needed 22 to 32 years to reach a maturity.

Wait and see the victory of new gTLDs...

 

[Kate]

I think every domain and every extension shares the same risk..

Nope. To begin with, they are not all priced the same. Some TLDs are generic, all-purpose or at least have a broad purpose ie .club. Others are niche and suitable only for a few end users. How many businesses can use a .horse or .whoswho ?
Moreover, the demand for aftermarket domains is still overwhelmingly for legacy extensions + mature ccTLDs. How many new extensions are featured in reported sales ? How many are not registry sales ?

Oh you forgot one thing: the registries do not have to observe price caps and they can jack up their already expensive fees. It's happening right now. I bet you missed the Uniregistry fiasco, it's a fresh story. Judging by your fresh join date, you have a lot to catch on (at least one decade of History).

Oh more one thing: dozens of TLDs have already been retired and we are only getting started. Why should I take a chance on a TLD that may not be around in 5 years ?

Finally, the oft-quoted domain name travel.agency carries a renewal fee of $500/year if I remember correctly. Names such as these look more like liabilities than assets and carry a disproportionate risk for speculation purposes.

Of course, the TLD spin doctors and cultists are quick to downplay the fact, because for a 'serious' end user $500 is nothing right. The point is, end users don't understand why a name should be so expensive. Paying a one-off sum for an aftermarket domain, they understand, but recurring fees that high ?
Do high renewal domains really sell ? I'd like to see more examples. Not names priced at $20/year but $300, $500 or $100,000.

 

[SuperDudePro]

I would like to start with asking you why are you following the New gTLDs section while you already believe that this market it useless?

For me, it's because I just look at the summary forum, not because I'm seeking out this particular topic. That seems like it's kind of obvious.

I'd like to hear more about your definition of ethical. Should everyone have to run their development, parking, or forwarding plans by some kind of committee to see if it is OK? The point of 'owning' the domain is that I can do what I want with it within legal parameters. You don't get to determine best use. Do what you want with your own domains.

 

[1Darko]

I believe that the current situation with gTLDs is only a step of the internet evolution. Somewhere in the future it will be possible to register any string left and right of the dot. Maybe the dot will be replaced or even canceled. It doesn't matter. We must realise that arguing will not stop the evolution process. How long will this take to happen I don't know. But the evolution process will never stop.
Wish you all a nice friday and have fun over the weekend!

 

[1Darko]

disagree. Just came back from the funeral. Took a picture

Nice pic but don't forget that zombies are "alive" and can bite back ... hehe

 

[Satyajit Adhikary]

I believe that the current situation with gTLDs is only a step of the internet evolution. Somewhere in the future it will be possible to register any string left and right of the dot. Maybe the dot will be replaced or even canceled. It doesn't matter. We must realise that arguing will not stop the evolution process. How long will this take to happen I don't know. But the evolution process will never stop.
Wish you all a nice friday and have fun over the weekend!

Agree with you. I would love if the dot gets replaced by a space.

Gtld would rise, but only the relevant ones.

 

[dordomai]

Agree with you. I would love if the dot gets replaced by a space.

Gtld would rise, but only the relevant ones.

if the dot is cancelled how do you advertise the domain? there is nothing that let us know we are dealing with an URL not good or useful.

 

[1Darko]

if the dot is cancelled how do you advertise the domain? there is nothing that let us know we are dealing with an URL not good or useful.

It could be the same like for example with numbers. Phone: xxxxxxxx
We have already. URL: xxxxxxxx ; or we could use DN: or maybe another sign.
Why we are using @ or #? Because we decided so.
I see no problem at all.

 

[dordomai]

It could be the same like for example with numbers. Phone: xxxxxxxx
We have already. URL: xxxxxxxx ; or we could use DN: or maybe another sign.
Why we are using @ or #? Because we decided so.
I see no problem at all.

what's the point of writing DN or URL to eliminate .TLD ? You are not becoming more efficient

you can eliminate 3-4 letters (.de,.com) but you have to add 3-4 letters to make it seen as an URL. (DN: URL: )you are just making things more confusing not more efficient.

you need something that tells you the difference between an ordinary word and an URL.

 

[1Darko]

what's the point of writing DN or URL to eliminate .TLD ? You are not becoming more efficient

you can eliminate 3-4 letters (.de,.com) but you have to add 3-4 letters to make it seen as an URL. (DN: URL: )you are just making things more confusing not more efficient.

you need something that tells you the difference between an ordinary word and an URL.

You made a good point. I'm sure that humankind will figure it out when the time comes

 

[MasterOfMyDomains]

Lots of sales last week for the New G's
http://www.dnjournal.com/domainsales.htm
Ya i am stuck with 80% .com
18% cctld
2% new g, thats why i read

 

[Kate]

Of those 2%, what's the percentage of registry sales ? 96% ?

 

[MasterOfMyDomains]

I am talking about my portfolio.
As you can see by dnjournal there were zero sales of newg in top 20
I dont believe most of the sales either, but I did find some good news for those investing in the New G's
http://domainincite.com/21632-feedback-gtld-in-breach-of-contract-after-big-brand-fraud-claims

Good news is you have been informed, and I would make a informed decision based on data

 

[guillon]

My understanding of recent post from Rick Schwartz ("Has gTLD's hurt the value of .com domains? Anytime you have saturation and confusion values can and will be affected") is that only ".com" domainers hate new gTLDs.

 

[Kate]

.com domainers could easily jump on the nGTLD bandwagon if they wanted. Especially established domainers like Schwartz who have the financial means to make strategic acquisitions. Domainers want to make money, if they shun new extensions it's because the risk/reward ratio is not attractive.
Actually, plenty of domainers are dabbling in new extensions and most of them own .com too.

The only major domainer who is heavily involved in new extensions is Frank Schilling but he's at the top of the food chain, since he's in the position of printing money. And yet, he's in trouble because his own extensions are not taking off and he is now resorting to desperate measures to keep them afloat.

What is becoming obvious is that naysayers were right to be skeptical (they are more often right than wrong in this industry). Not only were they right, but the gTLD debacle that is unraveling now is worse than they even predicted. Massive price hikes. Little notable development. Dozens of TLDs already retired from the root zone barely 3 years after launch. Consumer awareness almost non-existent, indifference. Not a success.story.

Don't drink the Kool.aid.

 

[dordomai]

why drink it when you can register it!

$79/year bargain...

https://www.dynadot.com/domain/search.html?domain=aid.cool&search=

 

[atinc]

You guys have to wait and see...

 

[atinc]

For me, it's because I just look at the summary forum, not because I'm seeking out this particular topic. That seems like it's kind of obvious.

I'd like to hear more about your definition of ethical. Should everyone have to run their development, parking, or forwarding plans by some kind of committee to see if it is OK? The point of 'owning' the domain is that I can do what I want with it within legal parameters. You don't get to determine best use. Do what you want with your own domains.

I think I shouldn`t waste my time explaining you what business ethics is because I feel like you don`t have this common sense.

 

[atinc]

Nope. To begin with, they are not all priced the same. Some TLDs are generic, all-purpose or at least have a broad purpose ie .club. Others are niche and suitable only for a few end users. How many businesses can use a .horse or .whoswho ?
Moreover, the demand for aftermarket domains is still overwhelmingly for legacy extensions + mature ccTLDs. How many new extensions are featured in reported sales ? How many are not registry sales ?

Oh you forgot one thing: the registries do not have to observe price caps and they can jack up their already expensive fees. It's happening right now. I bet you missed the Uniregistry fiasco, it's a fresh story. Judging by your fresh join date, you have a lot to catch on (at least one decade of History).

Oh more one thing: dozens of TLDs have already been retired and we are only getting started. Why should I take a chance on a TLD that may not be around in 5 years ?

Finally, the oft-quoted domain name travel.agency carries a renewal fee of $500/year if I remember correctly. Names such as these look more like liabilities than assets and carry a disproportionate risk for speculation purposes.

Of course, the TLD spin doctors and cultists are quick to downplay the fact, because for a 'serious' end user $500 is nothing right. The point is, end users don't understand why a name should be so expensive. Paying a one-off sum for an aftermarket domain, they understand, but recurring fees that high ?
Do high renewal domains really sell ? I'd like to see more examples. Not names priced at $20/year but $300, $500 or $100,000.

Yes Kate you are WRONG...
I know what is going on about price increases.
I am just sure that it will be a good lesson for other registrars, they will learn from other`s loss.
On the other side I never said every New gTLDs has a potential.
The crappy new gTLD example you mentioned above might not have a potential, its their registrars problem.
I say that there are so many perfect match generic NEW gTLDs out there and they are cool.
Cooler than .COM !
And hey let me add this new generation loves new things and try new stuff.
They are not conservative domainers stocked with dot Com, they are the end users of today and future.
Just hang on there...
I believe the next big thing on WEB will be named with a NEW G.

 

[atinc]

Lots of sales last week for the New G's
http://www.dnjournal.com/domainsales.htm
Ya i am stuck with 80% .com
18% cctld
2% new g, thats why i read

May I lear what are the two G`s you own?

 

[Wannabean]

The uniregistry price hike is an admission that even at wholesale these things aren't viable. And people want to insert themselves as middle men in this scenario? Crazy.

 

[atinc]

My understanding of recent post from Rick Schwartz ("Has gTLD's hurt the value of .com domains? Anytime you have saturation and confusion values can and will be affected") is that only ".com" domainers hate new gTLDs.

There might be some cheesy & cheap extensions out there.
Those type of G`s are out of discussion no one likes them.
Let me ask you this :
CheapFlights.Com or Cheap.Flights ?
NewYork.Tours or NewYorkTours.Com ?

 

[JB Lions]

CheapFlights.Com or Cheap.Flights ?
NewYork.Tours or NewYorkTours.Com ?

http://www.cheapflights.com

Any other questions?

I almost started to reply to your first post but there was so much nonsense in it, same nonsense posted by many others before.

 

[atinc]

The uniregistry price hike is an admission that even at wholesale these things aren't viable. And people want to insert themselves as middle men in this scenario? Crazy.

Uniregistry decided to play Russian Roulette by choosing very low profile extensions.
Than they understand that chances to shoot themself is not strong enough so they increased the prices(BULLETS in the gun)

 

[atinc]

http://www.cheapflights.com

Any other questions?

I almost started to reply to your first post but there was so much nonsense in it, same nonsense posted by many others before.

Yes one more.
How old are you?

 

[JB Lions]

Yes one more.
How old are you?

Old enough to spot the nonsense.

Crazy stuff about ethics, it being a nightmare, not knowing you couldn't use .com until browsers came out, talking about some demand, even when Frank said it was lower than expected, you thinking new gtlds are competition to .coms etc. You joined a few months ago but if you read past threads, you would realize you're repeating the same stuff.