The future of .COM after new gTLDs boom! Big DROP?!

[New.Life]

According to the data and this simple chart:

http://www.registrarstats.com/TLDDomainCounts.aspx

Is there a BIG drop? Coming soon?

 

[New.Life]

Short story...

I am forty years old man, and I don't live from paycheck to paycheck. I already earned very good money in my life and bought few nice apartments to protect the money. I have a child.

At the beginning of 2015, I decided to make something like a toy for myself in internet, create nice website. ...with ZERO experience in this.

I'm not internet IT guy, I'm in international "Oil and Natural Gas Production Business".

So in early 2015 I was planning to buy a good .COM. And I was willing to spend on it up to $50 K. Plus, money to create and run a website. (about 30K)

But it is impossible to buy a good, short, well-sounding .COM for this money.

And I realized that it is impossible to create and run a great website for $30 K, and you need to spend a lot of time and effort to create a really good website. And I realized that the best option would be to hire a good team for it in the near future, to create, run, control and protect.

Most likely it will be at the end of 2017 or early 2018.

Which domain I will use, I do not know yet. I have a second best list of domains including "one letter" but I'm not going to show it.

I chose new gTLDs! ...and I believe that new domains will change the Internet and our life!

 

[jmcc]

Ok so .com lost 0.79% of it's total registrations (1 million drops out of originally 127 million registered .com domains is 0.79%).

The loss is also a net loss figure as there are millions of new registrations in the same period (December). It is the effect of a bubble bursting and it will affect a lot of other new gTLDs which have significant Chip exposures. These drops won't start to appear until January 2017 as they represent larger percentages of the total numbers of registrations in those gTLDs. The interesting thing is that the regs in these new gTLDs are actually secondary bubble activity (the .COM/NET/ORG 4Ls, 4Cs and valuable numerics were gone so the craze spread to the nearest and cheapest alternative.)

The one thing that all of us stats heads look for in a TLD's performance is where the rate of new registrations slows down. This is a far more important indication of the health of a new TLD than bubble registrations washing out of a zone.

Regards...jmcc

 

[MasterOfMyDomains]

You got lots of money good for you. I also see you have a lot of .com in your portfolio, surprised you haven't dropped them to inflate numbers. And the .biz chips
So yes, you got lucky with some awesome keywords in a great new extension. Congratulations to you.
Cyber.domains is another good one
But the decreasing number of .com is to be expected, I am all for it. Get rid of the trash.
People registering stupid names like sngsh.com of course that crap will be dropped.
I ignore china, and the indian market is what I focus moron. And .ca too

 

[Bram C.]

So in early 2015 I was planning to buy a good .COM. And I was willing to spend on it up to $50 K. Plus, money to create and run a website. (about 30K)

But it is impossible to buy a good, short, well-sounding .COM for this money.

Are you seriously telling us that with a budget of $50K you couldn't find a good domain in .com? I'm glad however that you admitted you looked for a .com prior to considering a new gTLD. At least you got your priorities straight.

You got lots of money good for you. I also see you have a lot of .com in your portfolio, surprised you haven't dropped them to inflate numbers. And the .biz chips

Maybe he's keeping his .coms because they are paying for his new gTLDs?

So yes, you got lucky with some awesome keywords in a great new extension. Congratulations to you.
Cyber.domains is another good one

I don't think he got lucky with getting some great keywords in a new extension. I have a feeling he paid for it. He mentioned earlier he paid $1,300 for sex.life and is paying around $108 yearly renewal fees on just that one domain. I wouldn't call that lucky. I rather pay $1,300 for a good .com, which is globally known and trusted, and which has an $8-$9 yearly renewal.

 

[Kate]

@New.Life: you are a funny character you know.

The correction in .com was expected, we can assure you that the drop in numbers is not because of new extensions. But you sound desperate and eagerly looking for validation of your high-risk investments by all means.
Huge drops are taking place in gTLDs too, and for different reasons.

I have looked at your names you posted in the other thread, if you aren't paying silly renewal fees, I think you have been selective and your portfolio is better than most domainers. Many are stuck with names in new extensions, that wouldn't even sell if they were .com.
Unfortunately end users are not as enthusiastic as you are about new extensions, you will find out the hard way. There is a reason why we say it's already hard enough to sell good .com.

TLDs like .life a niche TLDs, there are not so many keywords that make sense to the left of the dot. Those TLDs will never be big. And the 'generic' purpose strings like .xyz or .gdn suck. It's one reason why new extensions won't be mainstream any time soon. Not to mention the fact that people ignore them, shun them, don't trust them or don't need them because they prefer their ccTLDs anyway.

Of course, if you can sell your .life domains, it doesn't matter if all the rest never sells (they will never sell anyway). But your vision about the future is totally flawed, you are day dreaming. Just look around you, do you see a lot of real, major businesses on new extensions, that you interact with ?

 

[New.Life]

Are you seriously telling us that with a budget of $50K you couldn't find a good domain in .com? I'm glad however that you admitted you looked for a .com prior to considering a new gTLD. At least you got your priorities straight.



Maybe he's keeping his .coms because they are paying for his new gTLDs?



I don't think he got lucky with getting some great keywords in a new extension. I have a feeling he paid for it. He mentioned earlier he paid $1,300 for sex.life and is paying around $108 yearly renewal fees on just that one domain. I wouldn't call that lucky. I rather pay $1,300 for a good .com, which is globally known and trusted, and which has an $8-$9 yearly renewal.

Yes $50 K just for "internet toy". If I plan to start an internet business I can easily spend a more than $ 500,000 for it by selling one or two of my apartments. But I don't need such an internet business.

.COM that I would like to buy for my website are worth millions of dollars, all the rest does not interest me even for free. But rather than spend millions on domains I'd rather spend the money on something better in the life.

 

[Lite]

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You got lots of money good for you. I also see you have a lot of .com in your portfolio, surprised you haven't dropped them to inflate numbers. And the .biz chips
So yes, you got lucky with some awesome keywords in a great new extension. Congratulations to you.
Cyber.domains is another good one

It's good that you found his trail. The email address associated with that portfolio (cyber.domains) I have seen numerous times on whois while searching for premium names. I believe some names were caught recently after drop. One of the best portfolio I have seen @New.Life

 

[New.Life]

@New.Life: you are a funny character you know.

Same like you!

that wouldn't even sell if they were .com.

Why do you again and again repeat the word SELL SELL SELL
Your whole life has stuck at sales!

Unfortunately end users are not as enthusiastic as you are about new extensions,

It's funny to read! Because I'am end user!

TLDs like .life a niche TLDs, there are not so many keywords that make sense to the left of the dot. Those TLDs will never be big.

Of course they are limited! Even 50,000 is too much! same like keywordlife.com
So think wisely and buy!

And the 'generic' purpose strings like .xyz or .gdn suck.

Tell that to those who buys them but not to me!

Of course, if you can sell your .life domains,

Probably for the hundredth time I tell, again and again!

I do not buy domains for sale!

I'AM END USER!

 

[dordomai]

Short story...

At the beginning of 2015, I decided to make something like a toy for myself in internet, create nice website. ...with ZERO experience in this.

Zero experience, money to spend... Sounds like the target group of the new registries.

This reminds me of the story of a guy who had posted here.. I think he had read that people were making big money with domains and decided that he could do the same and live off domains.

He registered 2000 .com domains only to realise that they weren't selling or generating any cashflow and didn't generate parking revenue either. He didn't have any development experience or a business plan.

Not sure what happened then.

 

[New.Life]

Zero experience, money to spend... Sounds like the target group of the new registries.

Yes! But someone like you and Verisign didn't get this $50,000 for .com!

 

[Kate]

OK OK. I agree, sales are not the sole measure of success. They are more a symptom: when a TLD is popular, an aftermarket of some sort often begins to take shape.
However, we can look at other aspects:

• registrations, renewal patterns
  
• prevalence of development (or the lack thereof)
  
• prominence of new extensions in the wild

I am sorry to say, they are not getting mainstream at all. Reality is that .com and ccTLDs are doing fine, they are established. But new extensions are struggling and are not being embraced like they were supposed to. Again, this is no surprise for us.

If you agree that many of the new extensions are niche extensions and will never be big, then they will never attain critical mass. Their use will remain marginal. How could they change the landscape and challenge a TLD as big as .com ? Perhaps you want to explain ?

 

[jmcc]

Latest count for .COM: 125,970,023 (Back under 126 million domains.)
Latest count for .NET: 15,175,964

Regards...jmcc

 

[New.Life]

OK OK. I agree, sales are not the sole measure of success. They are more a symptom: when a TLD is popular, an aftermarket of some sort often begins to take shape.
However, we can look at other aspects:

• registrations, renewal patterns
  
• prevalence of development (or the lack thereof)
  
• prominence of new extensions in the wild

I am sorry to say, they are not getting mainstream at all. Reality is that .com and ccTLDs are doing fine, they are established. But new extensions are struggling and are not being embraced like they were supposed to. Again, this is no surprise for us.

If you agree that many of the new extensions are niche extensions and will never be big, then they will never attain critical mass. Their use will remain marginal. How could they change the landscape and challenge a TLD as big as .com ? Perhaps you want to explain ?

registrations, renewal... ?


Just check, when porno.com was registered (?!) Right - in 1999 (!) Really!?

And just like so many other domains, it was thrown out by someone and was caught by someone. So this is a normal process for new domains at the beginning.
And next few years new domains will drop, little by little, for the same reasons like .com was dropped at the beginning.
Many of my domains I got this way including happy.world, food.world, the.company, etc. and most of my domain which in my second "Best List" I got exactly in this way!

For example "newlife" you can register in a thousand (!) of the extensions. Who will be able to remember them?!

But New.Life is unique, only one! This is the future of the Internet!

 

[Brands.International]

@New.Life: you are a funny character you know.

The correction in .com was expected, we can assure you that the drop in numbers is not because of new extensions. But you sound desperate and eagerly looking for validation of your high-risk investments by all means.
Huge drops are taking place in gTLDs too, and for different reasons.

I have looked at your names you posted in the other thread, if you aren't paying silly renewal fees, I think you have been selective and your portfolio is better than most domainers. Many are stuck with names in new extensions, that wouldn't even sell if they were .com.
Unfortunately end users are not as enthusiastic as you are about new extensions, you will find out the hard way. There is a reason why we say it's already hard enough to sell good .com.

TLDs like .life a niche TLDs, there are not so many keywords that make sense to the left of the dot. Those TLDs will never be big. And the 'generic' purpose strings like .xyz or .gdn suck. It's one reason why new extensions won't be mainstream any time soon. Not to mention the fact that people ignore them, shun them, don't trust them or don't need them because they prefer their ccTLDs anyway.

Of course, if you can sell your .life domains, it doesn't matter if all the rest never sells (they will never sell anyway). But your vision about the future is totally flawed, you are day dreaming. Just look around you, do you see a lot of real, major businesses on new extensions, that you interact with ?

I am not persuaded by this reply. He owns one of the best new gTLD domains available, and he will earn a lot. He has enough funds to sustain the portfolio and to make big sales. Something what 99% of people here can just dream of.

As per previous Dordomai's post : no need not to be an "experienced domainer", it is enough to be experienced businessman or businesswoman. Important is the ability to pick great names, with reasonable renewals, which he absolutely did. This is something what should be inspiration for all of us.

You know, there are so many people here with registration dates of 2005, 2006, etc and USD 10 is lot for them, you can feel it. They are "experienced domainers", but would I define success like that? I really do not think so. I do not take this newbie argument, as from my experience (outside domaining) newbie argument is used only by people, who do not feel strong about themselves...no confident and successful person will ever use newbie argument.

As per Kate's "no mainstream" statement and selling predictions:
If one wants to make good sales, ability to say no to low balls is a must. No pressure to sell few weeks or months after the names are purchased, that would be plain stupid. Most of great .com domains were held 10-20 years before the sales were done, so why some people want new gTLDs investors to prove sales just few months after their acquired the names? I can buy great name and hold it for 10 years, I do not need to sell it now. As I wrote several times, it is long term game, not suitable for short term flips.

Also, I think it is not ideal to compare particular gTLD to .com. If you have TgLD like .horse, it would be reasonable to compare all domains registered in .horse to all *horse*.com domains (.com domains containing string "horse"). If you take this method, I am sure gTLDs will be big winner almost for all keywords. There are around 25 mil of new gTLDs registered in last 3 years.

You can compare new gTLD to .com as such only when new gTLD is generic..it means it makes sense to compare .xyz or .gdn to .com..in this case, we can really then speak about what is more successful. You know, if you do not make these subtle distinctions in your posts, you will give flawed picture of what is going on.

To New.Life : I think you can not persuade some guys and gals here: they will debate you to death One needs to believe himself and his own decisions : if you know that you made good life decisions, there is big probability that you will also make good domain decisions, as domains are just one small area of human interest. .COM or .ccTLD holders will never say something good for new gTLDs, so I would not really expect any support/good information from this direction. But some people are really tricky - I would not be really surprised to learn one day that some of the are now learning to drop catch expired new gTLDS, and are secretly investing in them, lol

 

[Bram C.]

registrations, renewal... ?


But New.Life is unique, only one! This is the future of the Internet!

New.Life is as unique as NewLife.com. New.life can only be registered in the .life extension and NewLife.com can only be registered in the .com extension.

The idea that one is more unique than the other is ludicrous. All domain names are unique.

But I can guarantee you that most people will remember NewLife.com more easy than New.life simply because most people don't even realize .life is an extension. So when you say "my website is new.life" they will probably end up on newlife.com or new.life.com. But not on your actual website.

 

[Kate]

I am not persuaded by this reply. He owns one of the best new gTLD domains available, and he will earn a lot. He has enough funds to sustain the portfolio and to make big sales. Something what 99% of people here can just dream of.

He said he's an end user But if he decides to sell one day he might be able to do well. I am just saying that new extensions won't be doing well in general. Some names can and will sell, especially those that make sense in the TLD.
Unfortunately I think you are both overestimating the value of the portfolio. In .com these names would flip easily. But the liquidity for domain names in new extensions is much lower.
You don't see so many reported sales in new extensions, even for top keywords, even for registry-owned domains. The value is very theoretical in the absence of liquidity and an established market.

 

[Bram C.]

.COM or .ccTLD holders will never say something good for new gTLDs, so I would not really expect any support/good information from this direction.

My portfolio is mostly .com. I have no ccTLDs at the moment but I will be the first one to say that some ccTLDs can be a good investment. So you need to ask yourself why a lot of .com holders are usually saying good stuff about ccTLDs but almost never about the new gTLDs. Maybe the reason is simple.. that there isn't much good to say about it?

Also, I noticed that arguments of people who have invested and are successful with .com will be ignored by most people who invested heavily in gTLDs. They don't want to hear what works now, they only want to dream about what may (or may not) work in the future. And they hope for people to follow in their footsteps so awareness of the new gTLDS will grow. But it doesn't work like that. As far as I see it, people who are heavily invested in .com will stay heavily invested in .com (because it works for them) and people who invested in gTLDs will stay with their investments until the day they go broke or make a profit (whatever comes first but I guess the former is more likely).

Most of threads like these have no reason to exist: "The future of com after the new gTLDs Boom big drop". Seriously? There was no real reason for the OP his thread other than to try to make some people believe .com is in trouble now and that new gTLDS supposedly have something to do with it (when nothing is further away from the truth, the Chinese craze from last year is the reason for the current .com drops). If anything a thread like this seems like a pump and dump scheme. (and yes I know new.life keeps claiming he's an end user but as far as I can tell he listed all his domains for sale like a true domain investor so I can draw my own conclusions). Besides, if someone would really believe the gTLDs are the next best thing since sliced bread the logical thing would be is to keep this valuable information to themselves and to try to buy the best gTLD domains before someone else would.

 

[Kate]

If one wants to make good sales, ability to say no to low balls is a must. No pressure to sell few weeks or months after the names are purchased, that would be plain stupid. Most of great .com domains were held 10-20 years before the sales were done, so why some people want new gTLDs investors to prove sales just few months after their acquired the names?

Yes, patience is important in this business. But it only works for good names. If you have bad names, nobody will want to buy them from you. You can keep them for 10 or 20 years and never get one inquiry. Millions of names belong to that category.

Also, I think it is not ideal to compare particular gTLD to .com. If you have TgLD like .horse, it would be reasonable to compare all domains registered in .horse to all *horse*.com domains (.com domains containing string "horse"). If you take this method, I am sure gTLDs will be big winner almost for all keywords. There are around 25 mil of new gTLDs registered in last 3 years.

Comparing apples to oranges ? .horse is a worthless TLD anyway.

You can compare new gTLD to .com as such only when new gTLD is generic..it means it makes sense to compare .xyz or .gdn to .com..in this case, we can really then speak about what is more successful. You know, if you do not make these subtle distinctions in your posts, you will give flawed picture of what is going on.

Nope.
Flawed reasoning again: "if the .com is worth $$,$$$ then my .whatever should be worth at least 0.001%" but it doesn't work like that. The .whatever is usually worth 0.00% of the .com and that's it.

 

[New.Life]

New.Life is as unique as NewLife.com. New.life can only be registered in the .life extension and NewLife.com can only be registered in the .com extension.

The idea that one is more unique than the other is ludicrous. All domain names are unique.

But I can guarantee you that most people will remember NewLife.com more easy than New.life simply because most people don't even realize .life is an extension. So when you say "my website is new.life" they will probably end up on newlife.com or new.life.com. But not on your actual website.

You live in your little .COM world. Trying to sell your domains.

But the real life and the real world are 7.5 billions of people, and everything that happens and everything that relates to them.

Even the social networks broke your sales, creating the ability to create billions of mini websites (pages).

Soon, in order to create and run website and get found in the internet, people will spend less time and effort than to create a page on the social network. Even a small child can do it for a few minutes.
Without any restrictions and limits that create social networks, and without the limits that website builders have.

And how many good .COMs there for billions of users? Who needs keywordkeywordkeywordkeyword.com or meaningless .COMs for their internet identity?!

Only few millions .COMs that mean something, and only tens of thousands of .COMs are really interesting for Internet users.

 

[garptrader]

Yes there is overspeculation in all extensions. We see the thousands of drops daily. Industry turnover is only around 1% on average. Why is that? Most end users are content with social media pages - Facebook, Youtube, Twitter or reg fee domains even if they are long and hyphenated. True some developers and low-budget end users will migrate to new TLDs if they can acquire their domain cheap. But if turnover was so low before new TLDs, what is going to stimulate end user behavior to magically start paying premium prices for XYZ and TOP when they were unwilling to pay a premium for .Net, .CO, .ME, .TV, .Info?

We also have to keep in mind that most people outside developed markets live very differently than middle-class Americans. I recall a visit to a rural part of Colombia where the roads were dirt, the only way to the city was by moto or horse. There was no running water so taking a shower meant pouring a bucket of cold water over your head. There were no stores like we think of them in the US - really nothing to do for entertainment. The local elementary school had no electricity. The billions of people around the world who live in such conditions are not buying your domains for five figures. Perhaps that is why selling Spanish domains is so challenging.

 

[New.Life]

But if turnover was so low before new TLDs, what is going to stimulate end user behavior to magically start paying premium prices for XYZ and TOP when they were unwilling to pay a premium for .Net, .CO, .ME, .TV, .Info?

Nice point! And I have the right answer for you!

You already know that I have received an offer $2000 for sale for my domain HowToGet.Money
in October this year.
From businessman and the writer of financial books.

But I rejected it, and he bought .com "HowToGetMoney.com" for $2100.

Before, in August, I hand-registered HowToGetMoney.Net for $9,99

But nobody even asked about it!

 

[ambrose.xu]

New.Life is as unique as NewLife.com. New.life can only be registered in the .life extension and NewLife.com can only be registered in the .com extension.

The idea that one is more unique than the other is ludicrous. All domain names are unique.

But I can guarantee you that most people will remember NewLife.com more easy than New.life simply because most people don't even realize .life is an extension. So when you say "my website is new.life" they will probably end up on newlife.com or new.life.com. But not on your actual website.

no,i am not agree with you, you must be an old guy, the young man and children ,they are growing up with new gtlds , most of old guys lived in no-computer and no-internet old days might added .com with the prefix.

and in some countries, .com is not the most popular one, .co.jp is better than .com in japan

 

[ambrose.xu]

5 star up companies choose new gtlds for their website。the last one choose .chat

 

[Bram C.]

no,i am not agree with you, you must be an old guy, the young man and children ,they are growing up with new gtlds , most of old guys lived in no-computer and no-internet old days might added .com with the prefix.

I'm not an old guy but in any case: young kids may be growing up with the new gTLDs but they see the same as old people do, a world of .com and ccTLDs.

and in some countries, .com is not the most popular one, .co.jp is better than .com in japan

I absolutely agree with you, it's either a .com or a ccTLD that most businesses/people in a country will use for their default extension.

 

[dordomai]

You live in your little .COM world. Trying to sell your domains.

But the real life and the real world are 7.5 billions of people, and everything that happens and everything that relates to them.

The real world is that this website is under .com, google is under .com facebook is under .com and most sites are either under .com and under cctTLD. The real world is that businessses that are coming online still want either .com or ccTLDs.

And how many good .COMs there for billions of users? Who needs keywordkeywordkeywordkeyword.com or meaningless .COMs for their internet identity?!

Only few millions .COMs that mean something, and only tens of thousands of .COMs are really interesting for Internet users.

Marketing lies from the registries. I can still find meaningful not too long .com that consist of two parts available for hand-reg. These are not stellar but certainly not that bad. If you are creative you can find one.

Also if you use logic you will see that if only tens of thousands of .com are really interesting then only tens of thousands of ngTLDs are interesting for internet users.

Only tens of thousands of .co are interesting and only tens of thousands of .net are interesting.

So obviously not all of these are equally successful. Why? It's the first-movers advantage.

.com was there first that is why they are successful. nGTLDs were the last.