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Hello and Assalamo Alaikum,

First, I would like to thank Mr. Howard Neu for accepting this case and later defending it successfully the domain KITCHN.com which is one of our prime properties.

Let me tell you some background before I shall tell you about the case in detail.

In October 2015, the law firm representing Kitchn.no contacted me for the purchase of my domain and started offer from $100 up to $7,000 to which no interest was shown.

Next in June 2016, the complainant filed UDRP on our domain Kitchn.com and Mr. Howard respresented me to defend and save the valuable domain.

Today, we got the news of winning the case.

Below is the detail:

“In a 3 person panel decision, the UDRP Claim for Kitchn.com was denied at WIPO. In the case of Kitchn Norge AS v. Abdulbasit Makrani, Case No. D2016-1189, a Norwegian company that held the Norwegian trademark for KITCH’N was too limited to a specific area (Norway and Sweden) as to apply to Bad Faith on the part of the Respondent Abdulbasit Makrani. Here are some of the relevant excerpts of the decision:

The Panel notes that, at the time the disputed domain name was acquired by the Respondent, the Complainant had been trading in Norway and Sweden for some 18 years, had been the proprietor of the Norwegian trademark No. 221252 for KITCH’N for some 11 years and also appears to have been selling through the Internet for almost 2 years.

There is no evidence that the Complainant’s trademark might have been used outside Norway and Sweden and the Complainant’s website clearly targets consumers located in Norway since it is entirely in Norwegian. Moreover, a Google search for “kitchn” shows several results unrelated to the Complainant and its mark.

The records indicate that the Respondent is a professional domain name registrant and acquired the disputed domain name through an automated process immediately after the original registration lapsed. As highlighted in previous cases, the automated nature of the acquisition cannot be an excuse for turning a blind eye to trademark rights, since otherwise it would be the “perfect shield for abusive registrations”. SeeResearch In Motion Limited v. Privacy Locked LLC/Nat Collicot, WIPO Case No. D2009-0320.

However, particularly given the nature of the disputed domain name as a contraction of the dictionary term “kitchen”, the Panel finds that nothing in the case file indicates that the Respondent had ever known of the Complainant’s rights or that the Respondent registered the disputed domain name to capitalize on the Complainant’s mark.

This finding is supported by the fact that the use of the disputed domain name does not show an intention to target the Complainant or its competitors, as the links displayed on the website published at the disputed domain name are mainly related to cooking recipes and not to the Complainant’s trademark and products.

Instead, in the case at hand, there is no evidence that the Respondent might have registered the disputed domain name with the intention to sell it to the Complainant or to trade off the Complainant’s mark. Therefore, the Panel also finds that the Respondent’s refusal of the Complainant’s offer for the disputed domain name and his request of a higher sum do not amount to bad faith.

In view of the above, the Panel finds that the Complainant has failed to demonstrate that the Respondent registered and used the disputed domain name in bad faith.”

The Respondent AbdulBasit Makrani was represented in this case by the Law Office of Howard Neu, P.A.

I wanted to convey a message to all people around the world, I will try my best to defend my properties and won’t let them go easily.

Any feedback is welcome.
 
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@AbdulBasit.com Was RDNH on the table for this one? Seems like pretty good candidate for RDNH.
 
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I actually took the time to check out this companies website, it is really to bad, they chose to waste their time via this process, at the same time they could have put the legal fees +7K towards a purchase, but I don't know what you quoted them.

Usually if you go like $40-50K, and stay firm on talks, it can sometimes lead to a hail mary as they tried here.

There site works with their country code, they just made things harder for themselves now, we still need a loser pay system though.
 
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I actually took the time to check out this companies website, it is really to bad, they chose to waste their time via this process, at the same time they could have put the legal fees +7K towards a purchase, but I don't know what you quoted them.

Usually if you go like $40-50K, and stay firm on talks, it can sometimes lead to a hail mary as they tried here.

There site works with their country code, they just made things harder for themselves now, we still need a loser pay system though.

Very well said and I completely agree with you.
However, I never quoted price or the price range to them and the law firm always presented offer on behalf of their client which started from $100 and ended at $7,000.

It's surprising to see such huge companies like them with over 100 outlets opting this way.
 
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the cost for WIPO and lawyer altogether was $3,500

Do you have any options on the table to get the incurred costs of the legal proceedings paid back to you?
 
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I think another thing that played a role, which is could have been a miscalculation by the company could have been considering your geo location of PK on whois, and weighing the benefits of you not having the funds to defend yourself.
 
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Do you have any options on the table to get the incurred costs of the legal proceedings paid back to you?

Unfortunately that doesn't happen to any respondent in case they win. The system need some major changes and I wonder when is that going to happen... The outcome was I will retain my domain.
 
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Unfortunately that doesn't happen to any respondent in case they win. The system need some major changes and I wonder when is that going to happen... The outcome was I will retain my domain.
The best case I refer to in such a situation is one with ClearCare.com, after the loss the domain was bought for $140K, before that I think they had offered half that amount.

So in a best case scenario you will get your funds back on the eventual sale, as they have now burned their bridges, and must bite their tongue.
 
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I think another thing that played a role, which is could have been a miscalculation by the company could have been considering your geo location of PK on whois, and weighing the benefits of you not having the funds to defend yourself.

Yes, that can definitely be a possibility BECAUSE I have been hit with 2 UDRPs in the past which the law firm of complainant found out by searching the database of WIPO and mentioned that in recent case and said I was involved in registering domains with bad faith.

There were couple of main reasons behind those 2 UDRPs for not defending.

1. Those domains were not that important for me to fight and defend.
2. Lack of funds.

Now I will defend all my domains no matter how high or low quality of name it is. It's about my reputation and when I am capable enough to fight back, why not save myself and my fellow domainers. This win surely helps in someway to our community.
 
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Unfortunately that doesn't happen to any respondent in case they win. The system need some major changes and I wonder when is that going to happen... The outcome was I will retain my domain.

This is truly unfair, but needless to say, the price for the domain name just went up $3.500 on top of any figure you may have had in mind.
 
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The best case I refer to in such a situation is one with ClearCare.com, after the loss the domain was bought for $140K, before that I think they had offered half that amount.

So in a best case scenario you will get your funds back on the eventual sale, as they have now burned their bridges, and must bite their tongue.

According to DotWeekly.com:

"Novartis did file a Complaint to the National Arbitration Forum on the ClearCare.com domain but LOST. It was revealed in this case that Frank won the domain for $310 at an auction in 2005. Negotiation prices are stated in the complaint, so that is interesting to read. Make note that it’s stated the domain was “for sale” for $5,000 (which was actually the minimum offer price). A quote of $48K was given, then $80K sometime later. Since this then involved lawyers, the price climbed to $180K and I don’t blame Frank for doing it! Again, I wasn’t able to find a final sales price on ClearCare.com."

Well, it shows that Frank quoted 48K and in most cases there is some room left for negotiation so possibly he would have sold in high 30's or starting 40s but as you said they finally bought the name for 140K. It was well done by Frank in the end.

Interestingly, when Kitchn.no filed complaint against my domain, they had their TM (LIVE) at uspto.gov/trademarks/index.jsp but if you check now it shows their TM with DEAD status!!
 
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This is truly unfair, but needless to say, the price for the domain name just went up $3.500 on top of any figure you may have had in mind.

Yeah, that's unfair for the respondents.

Not only the quote changes by adding the 3.5K but in most cases when buyer comes back, the price usually shoots very high like it happened in CleanCare.com case where Frank quoted 48K and when complaint was filed against his domain and buyer came back after losing, the selling price was 140K according to @wwwweb
 
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Congrats, very happy for you! :)
One question: how much does it costs to defend against a URDP filing? (probably it depends on who wants it, but would be nice to know a price range).
 
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Congrats, very happy for you! :)
One question: how much does it costs to defend against a URDP filing? (probably it depends on who wants it, but would be nice to know a price range).

Thanks Constantin :)
My lawyer fee was $1,500. Also I opted for 3 members panel and paid additional $2,000.
 
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Congrats! Companies have to learn that they can't terrorize domainers to give up what's rightfully theirs. I hope you'll make them pay a generous $XX,XXX sum for it.
 
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Congrats! Companies have to learn that they can't terrorize domainers to give up what's rightfully theirs. I hope you'll make them pay a generous $XX,XXX sum for it.

Thanks!

As new companies are always establishing and generally they won't be understanding the mechanism of domain names so better is to improve this system by imposing fines to complainant who lose and heavy fines to those who end up getting label of RDNH. That will surely reduce the number of complaints overall and will think several times before filing against any domain owner.
 
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Thanks!

As new companies are always establishing and generally they won't be understanding the mechanism of domain names so better is to improve this system by imposing fines to complainant who lose and heavy fines to those who end up getting label of RDNH. That will surely reduce the number of complaints overall and will think several times before filing against any domain owner.

I don't have much faith in the system changing to our advantage. But I do think that there should be a site with info domainers can send these companies to when they threaten a UDRP. A site where these companies can quickly assess the situation and realize that they don't have a case, which will save everybody time and money and hopefully also force them to make a better offer.
 
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Congratulations on your win Abdul,I was thinking you will get reimbursed for expenses incurred and also a penalty.Really needs to be added when you win a case and a high fine imposed.Greedy companies trying to bully domainers when they have the money.
 
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I don't have much faith in the system changing to our advantage. But I do think that there should be a site with info domainers can send these companies to when they threaten a UDRP. A site where these companies can quickly assess the situation and realize that they don't have a case, which will save everybody time and money and hopefully also force them to make a better offer.

Not sure in many or most but I have seen and read that companies at times don't even try to threaten and simply go with filing UDRP in order to get the name at low cost.

There is a site which Rick Schwartz developed called HallOfShame.com but I don't see it gets updated anymore...

I have seen internetcommerce.org working hard on getting things change but seems it will take plenty of time, money, hard work and top level sources.
 
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Congratulations on your win Abdul,I was thinking you will get reimbursed for expenses incurred and also a penalty.Really needs to be added when you win a case and a high fine imposed.Greedy companies trying to bully domainers when they have the money.

Thanks mate :)
Even if the system changes for the betterment of domain holders, we shall not be seeing it anytime soon IMO.
 
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Just looked up this company, and their revenue in 2015 was $48 million (398 million NOK), with a bottomline of $4,9 million (40,5 million NOK). Yet $7K is the maximum they were willing to offer for the name during negotiations before trying to snatch the name through a udrp.
 
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Just looked up this company, and their revenue in 2015 was $48 million (398 million NOK), with a bottomline of $4,9 million (40,5 million NOK). Yet $7K is the maximum they were willing to offer for the name during negotiations before trying to snatch the name through a udrp.

That's huge money. Remember the $100 initial offer..... doesn't match at all with their standards :D

By the way, I wasn't aware of them when they filed complaint against me.
 
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Domainers should join as a community and create a non-profit donation website for people who cannot afford to defend UDRP. (just a suggestion)

Congrats AbdulBasit :)
 
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