The .TEL Discussion Thread

[brendan52190]

Hi

For this, let's assume that .tel will not be a total flop.

What type of keywords will be most valuable for this extension? Will it be geographical keywords, like newyork.tel, losangeles.tel, etc, or what else?

 

[MicroGuy]

It would be interesting to compare discussions 6 months after the release of any other TLD and see how much support there was for them.

This interesting comparison has already been done, time and time again.

First you have the pre-register, landrush, excitement, buzz phase. Then a bunch of people arguing how this TLD is the next best thing since sliced bread. Then the excitement dies down, domains start dropping, and the extension enters the silent old-news phase. IMO.

This is the same exact song, different artist.

 

[bmugford]

Yeah, this is pretty true. The same thing happens with almost every new extension before it fades to irrelevance.

Brad

First you have the pre-register, landrush, excitement, buzz phase. Then a bunch of people arguing how this TLD is the next best thing since sliced bread. Then the excitement dies down, domains start dropping, and the extension enters the silent old-news phase. IMO.

This is the same exact song, different artist.

 

[Steven]

Yeah, this is pretty true. The same thing happens with almost every new extension before it fades to irrelevance.

Brad

Yes, unfortunately, this is what I've seen with numerous new extensions that have popped up over time.

 

[mis_chiff]

**GENERAL MESSAGE**

Folks if you are going to post other people's content,
please give them the aknowledgement they deserve.

Name where the info came from (not a link)

Please don't try to pass it off as your own.

 

[DubDubDubDot]

I am not a techie

That's the surprise of the century.

I do think, that is what Google, at least, is capable of doing: getting .tel Data straight from the DNS of that specific .tel domain name.

So you start the post off by admitting that you are not a techie, and you end it as a poser again.

Let me repeat what I said above: In IE, right click on a .tel profile and then View Source. That is what Google sees about a site. Nothing else.

 

[mactel]

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I am trying to follow and understand the promotion strategy of Telnic: I think, I get it...

I was wondering, why Telnic is not more aggressive, when it comes to promoting their product, like most any company, for example in the US.

It might be about british understatement, too.

A american stile, aggressive promotion campain, would simpy not work in the UK. People would probably be put off. Wheras in America, it would be quasi natural, and Americans are used to it.

So, anyway: The strategy of Telnic, might work, after all, even if it is at times a pain for normal users, entrepreneurs, and developers, etc., adding one useful feature, after the other. Struggling to be up to date, and to understand, how it works, and how one can apply or integrate it. And so forth.

Interestingly, I am only hearing about UK small businesses, that show good examples, how to use .tel as a complement for their website, and at the same time, get found, as well as can show and explain the world, how they successfully are using .tel to boost their business. This impresses me.

It will be these small business, who will show us the way, show good examples, und show us, if they have grasped the principles of handling .tel.

That is the feedback, that is so valuable. And that we can find, for example, from Google page 20, on backwards.

I never found really good stuff about .tel on the first tree or five pages. Only much further back, where the really new info is "hidden".

You got to digg, and will be amazed, what sort of info about .tel you can find.

It is some sort of a silent revolution. Not a screaming out loud promoting, I thought, was the only way, that worked.

So, I think, the best way, how I can contribut, in that sense, is to populate my .tel domains, make them look nice, and show good examples of .tel domains, and websites, with "Contact Us" .tel pages.

Well, that is about my message.

I know, the Brits like .tel, and know how to use .tel. And that gives me a lot of confidence, every time, I see another good example in the UK.

Peace, with all the naysayers: Hey, you got not only stick your head in theoretical arguements, you got to go and see, what is happening in the real word...

Go see, how cake delivery shops, and book shops are using .tel, very successfully.

Listen to Händel, Bach, Beethoven, Hayden, Purcell, and populate your .tel doamin at the same time... It is a art, as well.

 

[steveteva]

The downside of your story and conclusion is that if .tel was a U.S. based company; marketing efforts and budget will be 10 times more powerful and .tel will already be part of many registrar like Godaddy. Big Companies and businesses will reg and promote in media.
To me and that's the reason I'm starting to worry for .tel succes in coming years is because of this situation, they only promote on uk market, webnames.ca privately promotes Canada, digitrade: France and that's it. And their promotion is so poor just some press release, video creating the "buzz" and some tech Expo like Demo Fall or privately held. Also some small business or personal domainers promotes in a small scale.

How do you want that Telnic and their .tel will be successful worldwide? I only see a little success in UK with parterships (BT and Myspace) otherwise it's ZERO (sorry to say that but it's sadly true).

I did invest big bucks and want to reg or buy more but I'm "freezing it all" at this moment.

This post could shake some domainers who invest thousands and have hundreds of domains coming to renewal (march-April 2010) but I also want to be noticed by Telnic and express my opinion on their failing marketing campaing worldwide. We domainers sees in .tel an extraordinary tool nothing compare to .com, .net.... and could win the web market worldwide but if it's promotion road map and strategy is still the same then it will be like other Tlds (.ws .mobi .info) not trusted by users and businesses worldwide. I don't know if they have a Marketing Director for US market but 1. He is not very involved in it or 2. they don't have any and I suggest to hire me (LOL) No seriously, marketing is very very important for branding and to be out of the lot (out of the .com and tlds lot), that's how Coca Col. , Mcd. , Lewis Jean., Microsoft, AppleMac...... are what they are now!

Here I'm not talking like dubdub... and other nasayers we don't have same vision as for me .tel product is a great idea but lacks in promotion worldwide.

I did chat with some big .tel investors recently, I think they are number 1 and 2 having spend the most and having the hugest quality .tel
They don't even come to read or post here as there are too many posts that are not constructive and are repeating same thing all the time.
Their opinions is same as many here, we wait for 1 or 2 years to see but even now we all need more marketing efforts done worldwide specially in the US market if don't want to see dot tel fail sooner. We were very exited in the beginning but after 6 month and still at same point, something have to happen!

 

[MicroGuy]

... but I also want to be noticed by Telnic and express my opinion on their failing marketing campaing worldwide.

Telnic has domain an excellent job marketing to their INTENDED customers, domainers. IMO.

Just look at their ad placements. YOU are the intended market, and Telnic sold you on their 'product'. There is little to no adoption by mainstream Internet users. Why do people have such a difficult time understanding this concept? (:talk

 

[plaggypig]

Telnic has domain an excellent job marketing to their INTENDED customers, domainers. IMO.

Just look at their ad placements. YOU are the intended market, and Telnic sold you on their 'product'. There is little to no adoption by mainstream Internet users. Why do people have such a difficult time understanding this concept? (:talk

What ad placements exactly?

You think Telnic and its VCs invested 8 years and $35m on a plan to target domainers? You really do suffer from a poverty of imagination.

 

[WordWalker]

There is brute force promotion, and there is "going viral".

One requires a planned strategy. The other does not.

If brute force doesn't get it done, then maybe DOT TEL builds to a critical mass just because a group of the "cool kids" decided it's the next big thing. Anyone read The Tipping Point ?

How 'bout them Hush Puppies?

And while the book review is in progress, The Long Tail is worthy of a quick read. No doubt many of you will say, "So that's what they were talking about with those three and four word domain names!"

DOT TEL is not a crap shoot. The house of "NO" has no advantage, and I get to choose my playing pieces and even do something with them that's altogether different from everybody else. You naysayers make it appear like this is the absolute high-point of risk taking (and lunacy). You looked at your post "recovery" 401ks? Or maybe I should've been putting my money in highly leveraged real estate. I hear you can make a killing that way. Commercial office buildings? Yeah, that's the ticket!

If you wanted safety, stability, security and the potential for huge profits, you could be buying precious metals instead of domain names. But then what would you be doing with the rest of your day?

Gimme a break. :zzz:

 

[steveteva]

@wordwalker
We are domainers not precious metal or stock investors (some or both) and we are a great .tel active community (I can see how everyone here react on this forum) and that's the great thing about domaining.
We take risk like any investors but we also want results and just like companies on stock market we try to see how to "rebound" on the market.

@plaggypig
Agree with you, telnic don't really cares about domainers but know that it helps as self-promotion, money income, testing.

@Microguy
Telnic don't put ads toward domainers but emphysias on development and some tech guys here are very good helping telnic with that.

 

[Ader]

That's the surprise of the century.



Let me repeat what I said above: In IE, right click on a .tel profile and then View Source. That is what Google sees about a site. Nothing else.

View source for Mayfair.tel in Firefox (I don't know if that's different from IE) and you'll see why Google gives it position 5 for "mayfair directory" search. OK I know it's not a common search term, but don't tell me Google doesn't see it.

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There is brute force promotion, and there is "going viral".

One requires a planned strategy. The other does not.

If brute force doesn't get it done, then maybe DOT TEL builds to a critical mass just because a group of the "cool kids" decided it's the next big thing. Anyone read The Tipping Point ?

How 'bout them Hush Puppies?

And while the book review is in progress, The Long Tail is worthy of a quick read. No doubt many of you will say, "So that's what they were talking about with those three and four word domain names!"

It's not a crap shoot. The house has no advantage, and I get to choose my playing pieces and even do something with them that's different from everybody else. You naysayers make it appear like this is the absolute high-point of risk taking (and lunacy). You looked at your post "recovery" 401ks? Or maybe I should've been putting my money in highly leveraged real estate. I hear you can make a killing that way. Commercial office buildings? Yeah, that's the ticket!

If you wanted safety, stability, security and the potential for huge profits, you could be buying precious metals instead of domain names. But then what would you be doing with the rest of your day?

Gimme a break. :zzz:

Well said.

 

[MicroGuy]

Telnic don't put ads toward domainers but emphysias on development and some tech guys here are very good helping telnic with that.

You must have missed all the domain conferences Telnic attended and the mega bucks spent here on Namepros and @ other domainer haunts.

They figured out a long time ago (perhaps by reading the "The Official How to Make Money with a New TLD Handbook") that domainers would be their biggest customers. Let me put it in easy-to-understand terms:

Scenario A: A business or individual end-user registers a .TEL domain. The register over at Telnic rings with one wholesale registration completed. Let's say somewhere around $7.00.

Sales Total = $7.00

Scenario B: A domainer with hopes and dreams of hitting it big, reads the hype about .TEL and registers one hundred domains. The register over at Telnic rings up with 100 wholesale registrations.

Sales Total = $700.00​

The ties over at Telnic understand that their marketing efforts will be vastly more productive by targeting the group that will place multiple registrations. They read the TLD Handbook, twice. IMO.

 

[plaggypig]

You must have missed all the domain conferences Telnic attended and the mega bucks spent here on Namepros and @ other domainer haunts.

They figured out a long time ago (perhaps by reading the "The Official How to Make Money with a New TLD Handbook") that domainers would be their biggest customers. Let me put it in easy-to-understand terms:

Scenario A: A business or individual end-user registers a .TEL domain. The register over at Telnic rings with one wholesale registration completed. Let's say somewhere around $7.00.

Sales Total = $7.00

Scenario B: A domainer with hopes and dreams of hitting it big, reads the hype about .TEL and registers one hundred domains. The register over at Telnic rings up with 100 wholesale registrations.

Sales Total = $700.00​

The ties over at Telnic understand that their marketing efforts will be vastly more productive by targeting the group that will place multiple registrations. They read the TLD Handbook, twice. IMO.

:bingo: Iron clad! Your business acumen are second to none Microguy! Just one thing - and I'm sure it won't make the slightest difference to either of your scenarios - but how big is each market? Both about the same right, a few hundred million?

Keep up the good work, you're an inspiration!

 

[MicroGuy]

but how big is each market?

Go check the Alexa on Namepros.com. That should give you a clue on the size of Telnic's most lucrative market. IMO.

 

[DubDubDubDot]

What ad placements exactly?

I think it's fair to question who .tel's target market has been. When I am out of webmaster mode and just using the internet for personal use, I have never bumped into a .tel promo. The pumpers made such a big deal about the MySpace promo, but I never did see it while using MySpace. Did any of you? I was kind of under the impression that MySpace was going to make it easily available to all of their users.

You think Telnic and its VCs invested 8 years and $35m on a plan to target domainers? You really do suffer from a poverty of imagination.

It was a lot easier to get VC money several years ago than it is today. VCs are no longer investing in social networking, which is what .tel is. So it is one possibility that they secured their funding back during the boom era of the internet when this would have seemed like a really great idea to everyone.

 

[plaggypig]

Microguy, I'm sure this is wrong to some degree, but the scale does not look all that attractive to me. Bigger fish to fry. If you want to know where the target markets are then look at what BT and others are doing.

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For those who are interested RWW has a sneak preview of OrganiP - probably a lot easier to understand than the poor quality video from the DEMOfall presentation.

 

[mactel]

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I don't think, that Telnic is a raider.

You got to hand it to them: Which other registry offers so much assistance to its registrants? They seem to be making a lot of effort in helping the .tel communty, even if they are a bit unhandily, what concerns providance of proper instructions.

They seem to be quite honest, and a bit clumsy, at the same time.
The best instructions and tutorials never came from Telnic.

 

[Jawed]

I am only a weirdo, sometimes talking weird stuff, that absolutly makes no sense.

I think you wanted to say 'most of the time' instead of sometimes. Just a minor correction! :D

 

[DubDubDubDot]

DOT TEL is not a crap shoot. The house of "NO" has no advantage, and I get to choose my playing pieces and even do something with them that's altogether different from everybody else.

It sounds like you just received a motivational speech and now you are pumped up. THE SKY IS THE LIMIT! YEAH!

You naysayers make it appear like this is the absolute high-point of risk taking (and lunacy).

The lunacy comes in the reasons stated by pumpers explaining why .tel is not high risk.

You looked at your post "recovery" 401ks?

Revisit that statement in 2010-2011. The people who continued investing at a normal pace since the crash last October are going to be very happy. Especially those who actually increased their investing in Nov, Dec, Jan and Feb. There are a lot of investors who secretly love the economic crisis since it has provided entry points that we haven't seen in decades.

 

[MicroGuy]

Dr. Ron Paul speculated this week on the Alex Jones show that the US dollar will collapse in 2012 causing massive uproar and rebellion in the streets. This is probably not a good time to be making long-term investments in an extension built on smoke and mirrors. IMO.

 

[wot]

Dr. Ron Paul speculated this week on the Alex Jones show that the US dollar will collapse in 2012 causing massive uproar and rebellion in the streets. This is probably not a good time to be making long-term investments in an extension built on smoke and mirrors. IMO.

Or a currency that is "owned" by China. :P

 

[bmugford]

Maybe Ron Paul would be taken more seriously if he didn't do shows like Alex Jones. The guy is like a who's who of kook conspiracies.

Brad

Dr. Ron Paul speculated this week on the Alex Jones show that the US dollar will collapse in 2012 causing massive uproar and rebellion in the streets. This is probably not a good time to be making long-term investments in an extension built on smoke and mirrors. IMO.

 

[spline]

Just read this answer from Micha Benoliel.

"OrganIP only uses public info that the called party accepted to publish as public onto their social profile or .tel domain. We also encourage all our users to register their own .tel domain to manage all privacy issues using their private profiles and the friending system. Book your name before it's gone on http://yes.tel"

Micha Benoliel Posted by: Micha Author Profile Page | September 26, 2009 8:08 PM

At this point it doesn't matter if any name will work, as long as more people realize and hear about that .tel can be very useful its a very good thing for the .tel market.

 

[mactel]

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I believe you have spent a few hours populating your dot tel domains....?

Hey, you!...: populate, populate, populate your .tel's, says Oncle Sam.

Keep the buzz and the the biz going.

Dot Tel is the coolest thing, since Coca Cola.

You say "Coke": every one understands...
You say "Tel": soon every one will understand...