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information Expert Exchange: If You Began with $1,000 to Spend on Domains, What Would You Buy? What If $25,000?

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Welcome to a brand new Q&A series on the NamePros Blog. Each article in this series will ask numerous domain name industry experts a single question. The questions and answer will hopefully give you an insight into how these successful industry leaders operate, while also giving valuable advice to help you in your own domain investment activities.

If you were starting in the domain industry today with $1,000 to spend, what would you buy?
What if you had $25,000 to invest?

We sent this question out to industry experts, and here’s what they had to say.


Nat Cohen (@telepathy), Owner of Telepathy.com
With $1,000, I'd be going after product or keyword domains that dropped that I could quickly resell to companies in [their] industry, and try to build up funds that I could then use to go after higher value domains.

With $25,000, I'd use a similar strategy, but there would be many more domains that I could go after. Also, if I had a good sense of "investor" valuations, I would try to find premium domains in private hands that I could acquire for less than investor pricing and then flip to other domain investors. For a long-term strategy, I'd look for decent 'brandable' domains from drop auctions or other auctions that could be acquired for $500 or less and try to build up a portfolio for eventual end-user sales. This strategy would not bring in any steady income, so I wouldn't pursue this approach if I needed immediate income.


Andrew Rosener (@SeafoodMan), CEO of Media Options Domain Brokerage
I would probably buy underpriced 4 letter .COM domains. I think as far as liquid domains go, they have the highest upside relative to investment cost.


Shane Cultra (@Domain Shane), Domain Investor & Publisher of DSAD.com
With $1,000 I would buy two or three LLLL .COM domains with good letters and vowels. With $25,000 I would buy a few good one-word .COM’s or special two-word .COM’s.


Frank Schilling (@Frank.Schilling), CEO of Uniregistry
I'd look at what generic names are selling (sold) and try to buy registration-priced new gTLDs in select extensions (that make sense) and try to offer those for sale to other owners of other extensions. Here I would avoid trademark intent names and focus on developed generics.

I'd also start calling the owners of expiring names (before they expire) making cash offers of $500-2,000 for great .COM names that will likely sell for much more on NameJet post-expiry.


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Giuseppe Graziano (@Giuseppe Graziano), CEO of GGRG Domain Brokerage
When I first started out in the industry, I received great advice from Thierry François, a domain veteran, which I will pass along to you. If you only have $1,000 to invest, as the first step, you should decide a niche to focus on (e.g. one word .COM, four letters .COM, etc.). I would study the niche as much as possible and learn exactly how much these type of domains are trading for, who is buying and selling them, and where they are traded.

Once you are comfortable with the trading ranges, I would buy 1-3 domains that I know are priced below market value. As a next step, depending on the type of domain and on the time frame of my investment, I would hold on to it (especially if the domain is a one or two word .COM, or you have a long-term horizon and domaining is not your full time job) and hope for an end user to come along and sell it for a 100%+ net margin. Alternatively, if the domain I bought is liquid, I would try to flip it for a 20%+ net margin and proceed to repeat the process.

Here is instead what I would not do: spend $1,000 in new registrations hoping that someone will buy the domains. This is how I and many other investors lost money when we first started. If a domain has not been registered yet, there is a 99% chance that nobody wants it. Unless you know exactly what you are doing, you are basically playing the lottery hoping to get lucky.

If I had $25,000, then I would do the same process as above, but this time I would go for a 3-letter .COM, a good one-word .COM, or spread the risk with a portfolio of 4-letter .COM with vowels.


Mike Mann (@Mike Mann), Owner of DomainMarket.com
With $1,000? A vacation. With $25k, I’d look at auctions on NameJet for super premium .COM domain names.


Joe Styler (@Joe Styler), Domain Investor & Aftermarket Product Manager at GoDaddy
With $1,000, I would buy a bunch of expired domains that were old (10+ years old) and that I thought had a good resale potential.

With $25,000, I would buy a few short .COM names. I would be patient and check the blogs and forums as well as some of the auctions to pick up 2-3 good category killer names. You can usually get a decent deal if you are patient. If the right domain name presented itself, then I would pay the whole $25,000 for the one really good name.


Tessa Holcomb, Co-Founder and CEO of Igloo Domain Brokerage
With a budget of only $1,000, I might roll the dice and consider acquiring a few of my favorite gTLDs. With a higher budget, I would focus on .COM’s that have consistently proven to be a sound investment yielding great returns.


Morgan Linton (@domainflipper), Publisher of MorganLinton.com & Co-founder of Fashion Metric
If I had $1,000 to spend, I'd likely buy four domain names for $250 each. This would give me the opportunity to go beyond a hand-registered domain but still spread the risk to a handful of domain names. While you're probably not going to sell any of these for many thousands of dollars, selling for $2,500 might be within reason. You'd just have to know that in the early days you might end up buying names you just can't sell, but you'll learn in the process.

If I had $25,000 to invest, then I would buy twenty-five $1,000 domain names. Like I said above, you're going to make some mistakes in the beginning – okay, you'll probably keep making mistakes for years to come – and that's just how it goes. With 25 domains, you can still make plenty of mistakes and end up with a few good domains that could sell for many thousands of dollars.


These responses have been edited for clarity.
 
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I wouldn't have bought any of these.

I use to buy names like Frame$y, JobN@id BrandChimp at under $40 each
what was the breakdown on each approx
 
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So to say my advice gives you least chance of making money then you may be correct. But saying they are speculative or risky is not. Not on the low end. Because there is a defined bottom.

That's good feedback, thank you. I can understand what you are saying Shane, and you are 100% right; floor priced 4L.coms are extremely safe in todays market. So in that manner they are not speculative; it's likely you will not lose any money on a floor priced 4L.com acquisition.

But profiting from a low priced 4L.com in a manner that provides an acceptable ROI is extremely speculative. In todays market these domains come with a high risk of vastly lost time and potential earnings.

Speculation in ventures, such as domaining, is the hope of gain but with the risk of loss.

You know as much as anyone else here; time is money.

If I am holding a $200 USD 4L.com with generic letters that when searched on Google are showing me youtube videos for a dance crew from Toulouse as their top result - I just wasted $200 USD.

You can spend $200 USD and buy better keyword/product names on the market, and flip it for $x,xxx in 0-15 days if you do your research and line up your end user leads. Results may vary based on skill level, but I think it's better advice to take this approach rather than any other.

It's different for everyone, but I lean more toward Nat's advice because I have found it to be true myself in todays market.
 
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I got started in this business learning from a website called The Four Letter Noob (eventually named LLLL.com) and Reece taught me how to flip 4Ls. That flipping eventually (I moved on to 4N.com) turned my 1000 into mid six to six figure income every year for the last 3 years. And all that with putting zero dollars back into the market. It took me 5 years of doing it every single day to get there.

I remember Reece! One of the nicest, most helpful Domainer Pros you would ever be lucky to meet!

As for the all of the experts advice, you really shouldn't say whose way is better than the next. All of these domain experts are paying their bills and making a damn good livelihood from their own individual methods in Domaining. Plus, if everyone agreed that only one experts way was better than the others, then we would all be chasing the same domain names and that would suck for everyone but the top few.

Thanks James! Very cool article.
and Thanks to the Experts!
 
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Great post. I especially liked Nat Cohen and Frank's comments. Thanks to all.
 
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Someone said they would buy 2-3 LLLL.com names for $1,000?

1 LLLL.com will cost you just over $1,000

Just some of this weeks LLLL sales below. Im not sure why people are saying they all sell for over 1k..its not the case. If you email existing owners who own a lot of them, you can get them for less than $200 each if you buy in bulk

eplm.com 525 USD 2016-12-06 NameJet
ihgp.com 402 USD 2016-12-06 NameJet
lfat.com 352 USD 2016-12-06 NameJet
vyth.com 340 USD 2016-12-06 NameJet
azgm.com 340 USD 2016-12-06 NameJet
rfon.com 340 USD 2016-12-06 NameJet
qvys.com 336 USD 2016-12-06 GoDaddy
vyxx.com 333 USD 2016-12-06 GoDaddy
smhe.com 332 USD 2016-12-06 NameJet
qvxl.com 326 USD 2016-12-06 GoDaddy
vhqt.com 325 USD 2016-12-06 GoDaddy
mciq.com 310 USD 2016-12-06 NameJet
qmzv.com 306 USD 2016-12-06 GoDaddy
qmvw.com 305 USD 2016-12-06 GoDaddy
qxlv.com 301 USD 2016-12-06 GoDaddy
tyut.com 300 USD 2016-12-06 NameJet
fwas.com 300 USD 2016-12-06 NameJet
nuht.com 299 USD 2016-12-06 NameJet
awsr.com 299 USD 2016-12-06 NameJet
zfvs.com 296 USD 2016-12-06 GoDaddy
hsow.com 285 USD 2016-12-06 NameJet
qvft.com 285 USD 2016-12-06 GoDaddy
yyeg.com 279 USD 2016-12-06 NameJet
qvhp.com 271 USD 2016-12-06 GoDaddy
xsna.com 265 USD 2016-12-06 NameJet
jqba.com 262 USD 2016-12-06 NameJet
excq.com 260 USD 2016-12-06 Sedo
qtja.com 259 USD 2016-12-06 NameJet
gvgi.com 259 USD 2016-12-06 NameJet
ungf.com 252 USD 2016-12-06 NameJet
exyp.com 252 USD 2016-12-06 GoDaddy
ozbv.com 249 USD 2016-12-06 NameJet
qpue.com 249 USD 2016-12-06 NameJet
opjn.com 249 USD 2016-12-06 NameJet
qjii.com 242 USD 2016-12-06 NameJet
lqed.com 242 USD 2016-12-06 NameJet
iagz.com 242 USD 2016-12-06 NameJet
xzuy.com 242 USD 2016-12-06 NameJet
znte.com 240 USD 2016-12-06 NameJet
jcgu.com 239 USD 2016-12-06 NameJet
bhvw.com 239 USD 2016-12-06 NameJet
klza.com 239 USD 2016-12-06 NameJet
aekm.com 239 USD 2016-12-06 NameJet
yvmp.com 239 USD 2016-12-06 NameJet
vyel.com 239 USD 2016-12-06 NameJet
ugxz.com 237 USD 2016-12-06 GoDaddy
qvxd.com 235 USD 2016-12-06 GoDaddy
qvht.com 235 USD 2016-12-06 GoDaddy
uyxm.com 235 USD 2016-12-06 GoDaddy
vqhx.com 235 USD 2016-12-06 GoDaddy
pvqc.com 232 USD 2016-12-06 NameJet
txuf.com 231 USD 2016-12-06 GoDaddy
vzys.com 229 USD 2016-12-06 NameJet
ueks.com 229 USD 2016-12-06 NameJet
qoay.com 229 USD 2016-12-06 NameJet
mwvf.com 229 USD 2016-12-06 NameJet
fnov.com 229 USD 2016-12-06 NameJet
zvgj.com 227 USD 2016-12-06 GoDaddy
vjpx.com 217 USD 2016-12-06 GoDaddy
xiwr.com 270 USD 2016-12-05 GoDaddy
mvcx.com 269 USD 2016-12-05 Sedo
xoqk.com 265 USD 2016-12-05 GoDaddy
igvk.com 255 USD 2016-12-05 GoDaddy
yqjo.com 250 USD 2016-12-05 GoDaddy
zudq.com 250 USD 2016-12-05 GoDaddy
ovfx.com 250 USD 2016-12-05 GoDaddy
yqmo.com 250 USD 2016-12-05 GoDaddy
zqoh.com 250 USD 2016-12-05 GoDaddy
qebw.com 250 USD 2016-12-05 GoDaddy
jxuw.com 242 USD 2016-12-05 GoDaddy
xqki.com 237 USD 2016-12-05 GoDaddy
ziqf.com 227 USD 2016-12-05 GoDaddy
zqim.com 227 USD 2016-12-05 GoDaddy
urwz.com 227 USD 2016-12-05 GoDaddy
igpq.com 222 USD 2016-12-05 GoDaddy
mqvi.com 211 USD 2016-12-05 GoDaddy
ugun.com 645 USD 2016-12-04 NameJet
dadj.com 576 USD 2016-12-04 GoDaddy
ephh.com 529 USD 2016-12-04 GoDaddy
gkef.com 510 USD 2016-12-04 GoDaddy
islb.com 404 USD 2016-12-04 DropCatch
fixw.com 385 USD 2016-12-04 NameJet
utiz.com 350 USD 2016-12-04 NameJet
aypt.com 285 USD 2016-12-04 NameJet
 
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Tessa Holcomb, Co-Founder and CEO of Igloo Domain Brokerage
With a budget of only $1,000, I might roll the dice and consider acquiring a few of my favorite gTLDs. With a higher budget, I would focus on .COM’s that have consistently proven to be a sound investment yielding great returns.



with $1000 USD I would buy some good domains
with $25K USD I woud buy even more good domains
 
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With mini-sites on 1,000 xyz names, you should be able to pick up a reasonable income, it's a lot of work initially, but you don't have all the fuss and bother of selling the names, and it's a continuous income stream.
 
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Very interesting. Thanks!
 
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A beginner is a beginner and will always do mistakes just like everyone of us! The beauty and adventurous part of domaining makes every single opinion in the OP correct. It's very rare these days to get five veterans to agree on an "un-obvious" domain (nothing like Rent.com - Money.com etc.).

But there is a fact here - 4 letters .com have always been liquid and for sure the least risky type of names but really $1000 cannot buy the ones I am referring to... We should remember that those 4L.com CHIPs sold for $10 and less , just less than a year before they hit their top when the Chinese jumped in. This is not domaining nor an investment strategy - this is just winning the lottery really!

The reason 4Ls have been the least risky type of names discussed here is the same reason that makes 3Ls and 2Ls less risky - limited inventory and reseller liquidation. Just before 2015 - every English speaking domainer knew that qwzx.com type of names had NO VALUE! And some of those sold for as low as $2 - but since 2009 to date - domaing like Porp.com, qoop.com, EEET.COM, AIRN.COM always maintained their value (which are all domains I personally owned)

4Ls (Low Quality) = Less Risk To Resellers = More Risk to End Users (Which is what domaining is all about IMO)

4Ls (High Quality with Vowels) . = NEVER gonna find any for $1000. BUT IMO they're the least risky type of names you should have in your $25K section.

So, $1000 investment for a beginner should never be with 4L.com's - I'd definitely go with Keyworded domains and EMDs - AKA Nat's view.

While talking about $25K it's way easier to buy and flip for profit in comparison to starting with $1000 and it's a no-brainer - a mixture of all the suggestions in the OP would do.


But again, this is only me - what I would do - makes me right to some and wrong to some :)

-Rami
 
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A beginner is a beginner and will always do mistakes just like everyone of us! The beauty and adventurous part of domaining makes every single opinion in the OP correct. It's very rare these days to get five veterans to agree on an "un-obvious" domain (nothing like Rent.com - Money.com etc.).

But there is a fact here - 4 letters .com have always been liquid and for sure the least risky type of names but really $1000 cannot buy the ones I am referring to... We should remember that those 4L.com CHIPs sold for $10 and less , just less than a year before they hit their top when the Chinese jumped in. This is not domaining nor an investment strategy - this is just winning the lottery really!

The reason 4Ls have been the least risky type of names discussed here is the same reason that makes 3Ls and 2Ls less risky - limited inventory and reseller liquidation. Just before 2015 - every English speaking domainer knew that qwzx.com type of names had NO VALUE! And some of those sold for as low as $2 - but since 2009 to date - domaing like Porp.com, qoop.com, EEET.COM, AIRN.COM always maintained their value (which are all domains I personally owned)

4Ls (Low Quality) = Less Risk To Resellers = More Risk to End Users (Which is what domaining is all about IMO)

4Ls (High Quality with Vowels) . = NEVER gonna find any for $1000. BUT IMO they're the least risky type of names you should have in your $25K section.

So, $1000 investment for a beginner should never be with 4L.com's - I'd definitely go with Keyworded domains and EMDs - AKA Nat's view.

While talking about $25K it's way easier to buy and flip for profit in comparison to starting with $1000 and it's a no-brainer - a mixture of all the suggestions in the OP would do.


But again, this is only me - what I would do - makes me right to some and wrong to some :)

-Rami
Ok, I picked up.. BPWU.COM for about 60.US so some value out there.
 
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Note, I started with $8 and ended with a 3L com that I sold for 3x profit. Thanks to namepros, dnjournal, thedomains and DomainSherpa!

And what 3L.com word was that?
 
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Wow, you know what I would do? I would not buy a domain if you only had 1k. To hard to make it, time is not on your side with 1k. You need 10k to 25k quickly.

Go buy a geo specific domain name like Nevada lawn care, or Miami lawn care something like that. Buy a $300 dollar lawn more, rent a truck for $300 for a month. Buy the domain name for $300 and put up a $100 word press site. Then go mow and take care of 12 lawns each week and make 3k for the month. After one month reward yourself by spending $50 during happy hour at the bar and getting hammered. Repeat- Repeat.

At end of each month I could buy 1 domain each month for 2k and live off the other $1,000 for expenses minus $50 for bar tab. After one year you have 12 domains that you have bought for 2k a piece. Or go on vacation like Mike Mann said. You just can't do much with 1k.

Donny
 
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I don't know, I prefer investing $1 to $50 and sell them $600+
 
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Ok, nice domains like.. cannabisflavors.net; oceania.at; and cannabisvaleflavors.com, or ciudaddevaticano.mx
 
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Ok, nice domains like.. cannabisflavors.net; oceania.at; and cannabisvaleflavors.com, or ciudaddevaticano.mx

Stick to short .com that's my advice
 
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Insurance.com sold for $35.6M
Vacationrentals.com 35M
Privatejet.com 30M
Oceania.at...?
 
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It's like comparing Pornos.com to QuebecCity.ooo
 
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