The LLLL.com sales and discussion thread

[italiandragon]

Hello, I think it would be pretty useful to keep track of all LLLL.com sales , even the little ones under $100 so that , pretty soon , when the available LLLL.com will be finished , we`ll have a better idea on market prices.

It is important that these sales are confirmed. So before to post, make sure payment went OK.

I will start with todays` Sedo confirmed sales:

FISE.com 2,700 Euros
TSRT.com US $760
VEUP.com US $1,700


Also, I found interesting to see this average LLLL, getting bids up to $51 and reserve not me. It says it all.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...110154111735_W0QQ_trksidZm37QQfromZR40QQfviZ1

 

[snoop]

Reece has a good blog posts today about the first signs of the LLLL.com buyout falling over.

LLLL.com Drops

My advice for those holding higher quality names is that if the buyout breaks (I now think that is more likely than not) make sure you have a plan to get out fairly rapidly. There maybe be enough hype, BS, "bargain hunting" to assure more of a slower paced decline (like we have already seen since early 08) so you might still have a good opportunity. Personally if the buyout breaks I think we'll see 50-75% or so falls over time (6 months or so) for the names with some value left.

 

[vlad74]

Reece has a good blog posts today about the first signs of the LLLL.com buyout falling over.

LLLL.com Drops

My advice for those holding higher quality names is that if the buyout breaks (I now think that is more likely than not) make sure you have a plan to get out fairly rapidly. There maybe be enough hype, BS, "bargain hunting" to assure more of a slower paced decline (like we have already seen since early 08) so you might still have a good opportunity. Personally if the buyout breaks I think we'll see 50-75% or so falls over time (6 months or so) for the names with some value left.

Snoop, do you also expect L-L-L.com buyout will break? L-L-L.com are dropping sometimes, already since 9 months imho, and available for rgefee for few hours, sometimes days. Nontheless, as of now, I do not think there are any unregged L-L-L.com. As I hold some L-L-L.com, what would you suggest to do? Low quality L-L-L.com has not much value, same as low quality LLLL.com, but the buyout holds althout I was observing available L-L-L.com since September 2008.

 

[snoop]

Snoop, do you also expect L-L-L.com buyout will break? L-L-L.com are dropping sometimes, already since 9 months imho, and available for rgefee for few hours, sometimes days. Nontheless, as of now, I do not think there are any unregged L-L-L.com. As I hold some L-L-L.com, what would you suggest to do? Low quality L-L-L.com has not much value, same as low quality LLLL.com, but the buyout holds althout I was observing available L-L-L.com since September 2008.

No idea, I don't know anything about that market.

 

[Semtex]

No idea, I don't know anything about that market.

Not knowing anything about that market is kind of vague. I'm surprised you know much about the LLLL market, when you don't own any. I'm also still surprised you're so interested in an LLLL market that is completely worthless.

 

[thetruman]

I really do not feel like a few LLLL.com dropping here and there might lead to a mass dismissal that will break the buyout.
Plus, has have been pointed out in the past, internet penetration is continuing to growth, and hopefully this economic turmoil will end soon or later. I m still convinced that the LLLL market is an opportunity...
just my 2c obviously

 

[cmason]

I really do not feel like a few LLLL.com dropping here and there might lead to a mass dismissal that will break the buyout.
Plus, has have been pointed out in the past, internet penetration is continuing to growth, and hopefully this economic turmoil will end soon or later. I m still convinced that the LLLL market is an opportunity...
just my 2c obviously

Absolutely agree with you! There is always the possibility that one of your "worst" LLLL's could be a diamond-in-the-rough. Spending $8 on a renewal is nothing if you can possibly sell it for $1K, or even $50.

Sure the market may be soft, but that is why I am buying loads of LLLL's.

 

[thetruman]

Absolutely agree with you! There is always the possibility that one of your "worst" LLLL's could be a diamond-in-the-rough. Spending $8 on a renewal is nothing if you can possibly sell it for $1K, or even $50.

Sure the market may be soft, but that is why I am buying loads of LLLL's.

sold recently an LLLL.com for high XXXX, just out of luck obviously... this big copany had merged with another one: it had already the website with LLL.com, had to change the name adding a letter to the LLL it already had... (by the way the company still not using the domain I sold em...)

 

[Semtex]

Today on TDNX:

yfhp $25
xnbe $20
xpnx $25
ycis $165
vyoz $25
utzx $20
ttrd $565
rxbl $20
qmbf $20
qmbi $25
qoxq $20
pxab $20
pxav $20
pzaf $20
pmqe $20
pmqf. $20
pmqg $20
pmqi $25
pmql $20
pmqn $20
pmqo $20
nplf $120
klnf $20
ipzt $20
fwhg $25
renewals have been added

Today on Namejet:

eois $403
ahgb $140
apeq $149
otcc $1100 - (over the counter)
gtpd $123

 

[snoop]

Absolutely agree with you! There is always the possibility that one of your "worst" LLLL's could be a diamond-in-the-rough. Spending $8 on a renewal is nothing if you can possibly sell it for $1K, or even $50.

Sure the market may be soft, but that is why I am buying loads of LLLL's.

On old argument that can be used for justifying just about any registration. The fact is the number of people who have only registered one domain, and thus would have an annual cost of $8 is rather limited. Most people are losing money on these names.

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Not knowing anything about that market is kind of vague.

There is nothing vague about it at all, I know nothing about the L-L-L.com market, have never followed values in it and have no opinion at all about the how it might go.

I'm surprised you know much about the LLLL market, when you don't own any.

Don't own "many" might be a better term. I have always owned a handful, in fact I was selling some here not long ago. It is just that I never speculated in this market, those were just old names with some traffic, probably about half of which are being sold or dropped.

 

[Soofi]

oh just a quick post (if Reece allows): if anybody buying LLLL.com's in bulk.. do message me cuz I have about 500 of them, that I'm selling


And Snoopy, will you ever give up ??

 

[HcDomains]

oh just a quick post (if Reece allows): if anybody buying LLLL.com's in bulk.. do message me cuz I have about 500 of them, that I'm selling


And Snoopy, will you ever give up ??

Just send a PM to you :music:

 

[Nem0]

Couple notable LLLL.com auctions at eBay lately:

OSEI $920.00 (reserve not met)
ELGE $405.00 (reserve not met)

Still plenty of very low sales going on there for the low-end stuff, thanks to a lot of new ignorant sellers dumping theirs there en masse. I don't really understand all this buyout talk; to me the only place I have noticed that the prices have substantially dropped is eBay. How many LLLL are really slipping through the cracks and being unregistered? Has anybody been monitoring LLLL drops with their scripts that would care to comment on daily details for the past couple weeks? I doubt there are any that are dropped and available for hours besides the few that were announced earlier this week. But it sure would be nice to know for sure, if someone has detailed data.

Many 5L names seem to be doing better at eBay though:

Joodu.com $104.50
Hiped.com $261.00
Pecoo.com $62.30
Dompi.com $61.00
Pefoo.com $49.99

and several in the $10-$20 range..

 

[Soofi]

Huge response about this sale, Thanks everyone!! :sold:

oh just a quick post (if Reece allows): if anybody buying LLLL.com's in bulk.. do message me cuz I have about 500 of them, that I'm selling

 

[d0main]

Getting rid of the last of my LLLL.com's.

3 left... $10 each, or $25 for all 3

http://www.namepros.com/domains-for-sale-fixed-price/594496-llll-com-10-each-24-hour.html

 

[-REECE-]

Guys, we already have a spam thread for mentioning LLLL.coms you have for sale: http://www.namepros.com/short-domain-discussion/419838-llll-com-under-50-report-fixed.html .

 

[snoop]

Still plenty of very low sales going on there for the low-end stuff, thanks to a lot of new ignorant sellers dumping theirs there en masse. I don't really understand all this buyout talk; to me the only place I have noticed that the prices have substantially dropped is eBay. How many LLLL are really slipping through the cracks and being unregistered? Has anybody been monitoring LLLL drops with their scripts that would care to comment on daily details for the past couple weeks? I doubt there are any that are dropped and available for hours besides the few that were announced earlier this week. But it sure would be nice to know for sure, if someone has detailed data.

So the people getting out of this market now just must be ignorant? I wonder what you'll be saying when the buyout breaks?

As far as low prices go the only places LLLL.com can be sold for low prices is ebay and forums, there is no market for low quality LLLL.com anywhere else, that is why there are no low sales elsewhere, the minimum bid/selling fees are too high. As has been discussed alot of names are now being dropped with no bids on the auctions services.

You can see what is going on now, the desperation level has gone up several notches. Some people are deciding not to renew because they can't even sell names for a few dollars.

The price drop of four letter domains hurts. I personally bought about 200 during the prime ranging from $15-$75 each. To date I’ve dropped about half of them and will continue to drop. I tried unloading some soon to be expired ones several months ago for $5 each and people were passing on them. I don’t even waste my time trying to sell them at this point. If it’s not at least a quality triple premium I’m dropping!!!

LLLL.com Drops

Some are trying to sell hundreds in one go like this guy,

http://www.namepros.com/domains-for-sale-make-offer/594810-534-llll-com-bulk-sale.html

People do not want to pay renewals on these names and the likely result is obvious. It is an awful scenario and I suggest people do not listen to comments like the above, there will be people trying to pump hot air into these right until the end, it is like John McCain saying the economy is strong. The LLLL.com market is dying a slow death, don't be the next guys exit strategy.

 

[bmugford]

SSDD.

Brad

So the people getting out of this market now just must be ignorant? I wonder what you'll be saying when the buyout breaks?

As far as low prices go the only places LLLL.com can be sold for low prices is ebay and forums, there is no market for low quality LLLL.com anywhere else, that is why there are no low sales elsewhere, the minimum bid/selling fees are too high. As has been discussed alot of names are now being dropped with no bids on the auctions services.

You can see what is going on now, the desperation level has gone up several notches. Some people are deciding not to renew because they can't even sell names for a few dollars.



LLLL.com Drops

Some are trying to sell hundreds in one go like this guy,

http://www.namepros.com/domains-for-sale-make-offer/594810-534-llll-com-bulk-sale.html

People do not want to pay renewals on these names and the likely result is obvious. It is an awful scenario and I suggest people do not listen to comments like the above, there will be people trying to pump hot air into these right until the end, it is like John McCain saying the economy is strong. The LLLL.com market is dying a slow death, don't be the next guys exit strategy.

 

[Nem0]

So the people getting out of this market now just must be ignorant?

You said it not me. Almost always talking in broad genaralities and trying to twist things. What I said is that sellers that absolutely flood eBay with all their low-end LLLL.com are ignorant and that is what has helped break the price stability there the past few months. It used to be that an occasional day could go by without any LLLL being sold at eBay, or some days just a few were sold. For the most part that's long gone now.

As far as low prices go the only places LLLL.com can be sold for low prices is ebay and forums, there is no market for low quality LLLL.com anywhere else

Wrong again. People can and have been selling their lower-end names at GoDaddy and/or Snap.

People do not want to pay renewals on these names and the likely result is obvious.

I'm sure there are still thousands of people who are renewing their LLLL. I know I have been and I have several friends that are as well.

There are still plenty of very good LLLL sales happening at eBay and elsewhere, there are just a bit more that end at eBay with lower prices lately (the reason for which seems debatable). There are still plenty that end there at ok prices as well, such as All of todays sales:

WEZG $25.99
PEZM $20.27
EXCY $39.99
QLVL $4.25 (expires in 3 months)
VTYY $7.81 (expires in 3 months)
SVKY $8.50
OJVR $9.99
YLUD $10.50 (expires in a few days)
OSQR $7.49 (expires in a couple months)
XVCP $5.09
NHQX $6.17

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SSDD.

Brad

Exactly.

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snoop's name has been at the bottom now for 15 minutes reading this, no doubt desperately trying to pick apart what I said. Will it be where I misspelled generalities or will he pounce on today's eBay sales that I posted? The latter seems highly unlikely as todays sales were fairly good and everyone knows that he never has anything to say when something positive happens with LLLL. So what can it be?... stay tuned... he should be spewing it out any second now..

 

[snoop]

You said it not me. Almost always talking in broad genaralities and trying to twist things. What I said is that sellers that absolutely flood eBay with all their low-end LLLL.com are ignorant and that is what has helped break the price stability there the past few months. It used to be that an occasional day could go by without any LLLL being sold at eBay, or some days just a few were sold. For the most part that's long gone now.

People can't get out of the market without selling "en masse". There is no point wishing people weren't selling, they are selling because they know this market is collapsing. According to your argument if nobody sold everything would be fine, the reality is an awful lot of people want out because they know things are not fine. Some people saw it a year ago some are just realising it now.

Wrong again. People can and have been selling their lower-end names at GoDaddy and/or Snap.

So people can sell a name for 50 cents at those venues can they?

I'm sure there are still thousands of people who are renewing their LLLL. I know I have been and I have several friends that are as well.

The buyout won't survive because "most" plan to renew. When domainers are just dropping deliberately because the names aren't worth selling it is the beginning of the end.

Tha vast majority need to renew for it to hold, otherwise the people who are left need to buy up an increasing number of drops, this is at the same time as they realize all the other low quality names they have been buying are worthless, plus they have their own renewal bills to pay. Every time a person says "I've had enough of this" it takes another buyer out of the market and puts even more pressure on those still in the market. In other words it reduces demand (fewer buyers) and increases supply (more for sale/dropping).

I very much doubt people will have the money to keep renewing all the extra drops that are going to happen, at the end of the day lots of people want to buyout to hold but it will simply be a lack of cash that brings it down. Personally I think if someone just let a few thousand names expire it would be over tomorrow in my view, that is how weak the market is. I'm not sure how it will pan out, if we will get some very big drops or just an increasing number of smaller drops, but I do now think it is highly likely that the buyout will not hold.

 

[Nem0]

20 minutes..

Come on snoop we're waitin' on you, I got some Xbox to go play..

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Ah finally, thanks.

People can't get out of the market without selling "en masse".

Sure they can, and they can go about it smarter and more efficiently instead of selling (or trying to sell) hundreds of them individually.

they are selling because they know this market is collapsing. According to your argument if nobody sold everything would be fine, the reality is an awful lot of people want out because they know things are not fine. Some people saw it a year ago some are just realising it now.

Things were fine today. There are great LLLL sales all over domainland. Doesn't look like it is collapsing to me. You are just speculating why some people are selling... there is no proof that any of those sellers are selling their names because they think anything is collapsing. You are just a master fear-driving-monger. Didn't make much sense but you get the gist.

So people can sell a name for 50 cents at those venues can they?

That wasnt the issue that was in debate. You specifically said that there were NO OTHER venues where people can sell their low-end names. We never discussed expected prices these sellers may want.

Tha vast majority need to renew for it to hold, otherwise the people who are left need to buy up an increasing number of drops

Yes and you and I have no idea just how many are or are not renewing their domains. One thing is for sure, there are more and more new domainers coming into the market and continuing to buy these LLLL, so the future still looks fine to me (for now)

but I do now think it is highly likely that the buyout will not hold.

Cool cool, I respect your opinion, and if it happens it happens, no one will refute it. I sure don't think it will happen though, too many old and new buyers alike still dealing in these little names. Too many investors holding. Too many great sales still going on. Too many Chinese coming into this market as well as more English-speaking buyers each and every day.

 

[glabnet]

VZLC.com dropped and is available now!
(ZOBV.com was available about 20 min)

 

[Semtex]

Yesterday on TDNX::

xrqj $20
uenv $75
nqox $20
hrzu $20
gywf $20
cxih $25
cozp $41
bexw $20
beqw $20
aeuf $51
renewals have been added

Yesterday on Namejet:

ahbm $131

 

[Sameh]

Sedo recent sales :

iled $10,000
wbbc $1,000

 

[Bravo]

Got LLLL for $69 at Namejet, triple premium. Quite nice combination.

 

[tetrapak]

iLED is a great name, well worth the price even at $10k.