The LLL.com sales report & discussion thread

[italiandragon]

We need this one too guys

This guide will also help LLLL.com holders to understand more the value of their 4 letters .com based on how expensive the similar 3 letters .com are.

From:

http://3character.com/priceguide.html

Pricing Guide for 3-Letter (Composed Of Letters Only) Domains:

Current Observed Minimum Wholesale Price (regardless of letter combo) as of February 1, 2008:

3-Letter .com - $6700 (+ $300 since January 1, 2008 report)

But I consider their guide a bit old since they are not taking in consideration the emergenging countries that appreciate other letters and as we have run a poll here several times lately, the majority of people consider the letters U
and W to be Premium letters.

Let`s have a look at some recent LLL.com sales as reported from NameBio.com :


nak.com $27,135 2007-12-22 SEDO.com
nyz.com $10,605 2007-12-19 tdnam
utw.com $10,100 2007-12-10 SEDO.com
via.com $157,500 2007-12-06 SEDO.com
cgf.com $14,500 2007-12-06 SEDO.com
vkx.com $6,200 2007-12-06 SEDO.com
mje.com $10,734 2007-12-06 SEDO.com
okf.com $8,500 2007-12-06 SEDO.com
our.com $60,000 2007-12-06 SEDO.com
kxr.com $7,101 2007-12-06 SEDO.com
lhg.com $13,613 2007-12-06 SEDO.com
wae.com $10,099 2007-12-06 SEDO.com
hya.com $7,499 2007-12-06 SEDO.com
yrd.com $9,100 2007-12-05 SEDO.com
vfk.com $15,750 2007-11-29 AfterNic.com
qee.com $10,882 2007-11-27 SEDO.com

 

[snoop]

How do you calculate a $5k min wholesale based on the recorded sales?

ZQR.com - $5,144 - 9/24/08
MDJ.com - $6,900 - 9/22/08
GIW.com - $19,393 - 9/17/08
WQI.com - $5,800 - 9/10/08
QWI.com - $5,469 - 9/10/08
BWE.com - $9,101 - 9/6/08
IQX.com - $6,250 - 9/6/08
ZNJ.com - $5,299 - 9/5/08

That's some fuzzy math.

By looking at the lowest auction sales.

People are spending money less freely, and frankly, had the capital been available to me, I would have purchased this domain. Thats how I know it went too cheap.

Not much point saying this, it doesn't make names worth more. The fact is you didn't have the money and you didn't buy it. If people had lots of money the housing market wouldn't be down, the stock market wouldn't be down, the domain market wouldn't be down.

 

[Alan Glennon]

Given the two sales: $4610 and $4700 --> I would say the minimum wholesale for a LLL.com is right between those two. We'll see if it goes lower.

Hate to see it go lower than $5000, but without a doubt -- it's there.

By looking at the lowest auction sales.

 

[Michael]

By looking at the lowest auction sales.

So if I sell an LLL.com for $50, min wholesale is now $50? That's not what min wholesale means. That's like saying triple-premiums are worth $200k because CPC.com sold for a lot. You have to look at the rule, not the exception to it.

 

[sgtppr]

Sad to see these start selling for less than $5k. I had hoped that would be the floor. I think we may see these sub $5k deals start to be a lot more common.

 

[betthelot]

ZQR.com $4,600 Sedo 19th Oct

 

[snoop]

By looking at the lowest auction sales.

So if I sell an LLL.com for $50, min wholesale is now $50? That's not what min wholesale means.

If they start selling at auction for $50 then yes, that is the new minimum.

 

[Alan Glennon]

With zqr (at 3444 Euros), I guess the minimum wholesale is right in the area of $4610 to $4640.

Given the two sales: $4610 and $4700 --> I would say the minimum wholesale for a LLL.com is right between those two. We'll see if it goes lower.

Hate to see it go lower than $5000, but without a doubt -- it's there.

 

[Michael]

If they start selling at auction for $50 then yes, that is the new minimum.

That doesn't make any sense though. I won HFP.com at Sedo auction for $12,500... it was an anomaly, not the new floor for triple premiums. I got lucky that nobody with cash was paying attention that day.

I sold it a week later for $16,000, so clearly $12,500 was not all the market would support. Like I said, you have to look at trends, not at the single lowest sale, to determine wholesale pricing. The September sales don't support your $5k assertion in any way, shape or form.

 

[saucey]

I noticed the price guide valuations given in the first post were for .com/net/org/info/biz/us/mobi. Has anyone given valuation to LLL . asia or .me??

 

[snoop]

That doesn't make any sense though. I won HFP.com at Sedo auction for $12,500... it was an anomaly, not the new floor for triple premiums. I got lucky that nobody with cash was paying attention that day.

I sold it a week later for $16,000, so clearly $12,500 was not all the market would support.

It is highly likely that the selling price was an anomoly, not the buying price. If you sold it via auction for $16,000 that would be a different story.

The September sales don't support your $5k assertion in any way, shape or form.

You stated yourself you sold two lll.xcom's for 5k each on Septemer 23rd, time to give up on this nonsense,

Sold Z X W and V W X for $5k each.

http://www.namepros.com/429599-lll-com-sales-report-evaluation-thread-30.html#post3064991

 

[Big HEAD]

JIZ.com sold on SEDO for $10,500 and VGZ.com 8 hrs to go at name jet for $4,600 - Come on LLL.coms,its recovery from today, the world context cant get any worse. Confidence, confidence is all thats needed

 

[Jasonn]

No one should be selling their lll.com's right now unless they get a good offer. Sending to auction with a low reserve is just asking for trouble. Cut the supply, demand goes up and so does the price.

 

[Big HEAD]

Cut the supply, demand goes up and so does the price.

Just like oil!! - all large portfolio owners of LLL.coms should start a cartel and restrict the supply on the market to only one a week - that will do the trick

 

[Michael]

It is highly likely that the selling price was an anomoly, not the buying price. If you sold it via auction for $16,000 that would be a different story.

What are you smoking man? How many trip premiums have you seen selling at $12.5k, auction or otherwise? You're just arguing for the sake of arguing at this point.

 

[Big HEAD]

VGZ.com is now $4,700 5 hours to go.
I can feel the sun on my face as a new dawn rises for LLL.coms. And snoop runs to his coffin, otherwise he will perish in the morning light like all Dracula's of the night.

 

[Tim Schoon]

VGZ is an health insurance company here in the Netherlands with over 2million customers, quite deep pockets!

nice enduser potential!

 

[Spade]

VGZ - 5,050 - 4 hours left

 

[maxeaus]

We could be seeing a key reversal in the US$ today, this should bode well for lll.com and domains in general. As you know domains and the US$ are inexplicably linked.

It appears that the US$ was highly overbought, and todays interest rate cut could be the defining moment for a two day rally on Wall Street, which would mark a recovery, for the short term at least in the equity markets, and lower the fear factor.

Unless the US$ can find further upside in the next week or so, i think we may see domain prices rise again over the month of November. This is a mild recession outlook. I favour this model ATM, though it could be volatile, and sway between the next model.

If the US$ dose surprise to the upside, i doubt lll.com would go much lower than at present, $4,000/$5000. Given this scenario, if lll.com remained at current price levels this in itself would still be a rise in real terms, against other currencies. This would mark a severe recession.

If the US$ rises again strongly and domains, lll.com etc continue to fall, below $3000/$4000 then this would mark a deepening of the credit crisis and a depression stage for the real economy i believe. Snoop will be in his element if this occurs.

If we can see lll.com stabalise at $5000 and up for November/December this will signify a bottom to the market in October IMO.

 

[snoop]

No one should be selling their lll.com's right now unless they get a good offer. Sending to auction with a low reserve is just asking for trouble. Cut the supply, demand goes up and so does the price.

Just like oil!! - all large portfolio owners of LLL.coms should start a cartel and restrict the supply on the market to only one a week - that will do the trick

The talk is getting almost as desperate as those in the llll.com thread. The names will sell for what they are worth. Nobody is going to buy into a rigged market and sellers aren't going to go along with it either.

People compare it to oil, when OPEC cut oil output this week the price fell!

http://www.ogj.com/display_article/...ET-WATCH:-Prices-fall-as-market-ignores-OPEC/

 

[Big HEAD]

The talk is getting almost as desperate as those in the llll.com thread. The names will sell for what they are worth. Nobody is going to buy into a rigged market and sellers aren't going to go along with it either.

People compare it to oil, when OPEC cut oil output this week the price fell!

http://www.ogj.com/display_article/...ET-WATCH:-Prices-fall-as-market-ignores-OPEC/

WOW - it was a joke, like the one comparing you to Dracula. I wasnt being serious nor desperate, trying to lighten the thread.

What did VGZ.com go for in the end?

Bet your great fun at a party

 

[snoop]

What are you smoking man? How many trip premiums have you seen selling at $12.5k, auction or otherwise? You're just arguing for the sake of arguing at this point.

Around the the same time you bought that name ohn.com got $13.5k, so 12.5k for yours was hardly an anomaly.

We have had this conversation before though several months ago, and as I said then number of triple premiums going through the market is very low. How many have you seen going for over $12.5k at auction in the last month? I have seen maybe one. Personally I sold one last week that had very significant traffic (100-200 uniques per day) for $15k and loads on semi premiums sales recorded at very low prices.

BWE.com - $9,101
EVT.COM $10,500
YTT.com $6,626.00
EAJ.com $7,300
UGD.com $7,100
YII.com $7,100
WNF.com $7,100

 

[Michael]

Yea, and around that same time there were the following triple premium sales:

OMA.com - $33,645
SGN.com - $25,001
FTN.com - $15,100
MIF.com - $26,654
PGD.com - $15,501
TOA.com - $35,300
RNI.com - $16,000
ATO.com - $27,954

Yes, there's clearly a trend there of low $1x,xxx... if you're blind.

 

[snoop]

Yea, and around that same time there were the following triple premium sales:

OMA.com - $33,645
SGN.com - $25,001
FTN.com - $15,100
MIF.com - $26,654
PGD.com - $15,501
TOA.com - $35,300
RNI.com - $16,000
ATO.com - $27,954

Yes, there's clearly a trend there of low $1x,xxx... if you're blind.

Firstly some of those sales date back to April (particularly some of the higher ones you list like oma.com & sgn.com) which is 6 weeks before HFP.com and I wouldn't say "around the same time". From what I recall April was pretty much the peak of the high quality lll.com market, while the lower quality names peaked several months after.

Secondly 2 names sold for low $1x,xxx out of maybe 6-8 premium sales at that time surely is indicative on the "minimum" rather than being "anomalies"?

 

[Michael]

So your one single example which was 10 days away from HFP is relevant, but 6 from the same month and 2 from April (35 days away) aren't? I guess 20 days makes all the difference in the world.

Around that time if you posted a trip premium on the forums with a $17k BIN it would be gone within minutes.

Sorry, but none of your fear-mongering posts have anything to back them up. A few months ago you were claiming prices were down by 50% when they were really down by about 20%, which was the last time I called you out. You didn't have anything to back up your claims then either. Prices still aren't down by 50% yet from their peak in March-April...

I mean are you seriously listening to yourself? You just said min wholesale for a trip premium was $12.5k back in May. That's laughable.

 

[Big HEAD]

VGZ.com sold for $5250 to handle reincarnation.
Stick my neck out here: we are at the bottom at $4500 and we have seen the bottom of the Dow already surpassed, now at 8,900 was less than 8,200.
London FTSE at 4,230 was as low as 3,665. The concerted efforts of the governments to borrow and plough money into the economy is having an effect, interest rates nearly zero in US and Japan (not lending rate). Funds will start reinvesting again - value of companies - ratio to earnings were the most attractive since 1930 (at the bottom of this cycle). We are on the way up, though there will be swings. Change is coming and Im going to vote for the MILF