discuss Who do you trust for CPC data? And what’s up with Creation date?

[Molly]

Hi guys. I’m building on the good advice given by many — especially @Bravo Mod Team — and expanding my horizons.

I’m a big fan of data, and am starting to gather info like created date & CPC (and searches) in my nifty spreadsheet. I’m relying primarily on Esti for this. Do you have better alternatives?

Also, why is it that a handful of domains that I bought at closeout have Created Dates matching the days I bought them? I even checked another website’s WhoIs data & it matched. Thanks!

 

[Bravo Mod Team]

CPC (and searches)

https://support.google.com/google-ads/answer/7337243?hl=en

Also, why is it that a handful of domains that I bought at closeout have Created Dates matching the days I bought them? I even checked another website’s WhoIs data & it matched.

That should not be the case for GoDaddy Closeouts (Buy Now).

Example?

 

[Molly]

https://support.google.com/google-ads/answer/7337243?hl=en


That should not be the case for GoDaddy Closeouts (Buy Now).

Example?

Thanks for this, @Bravo Mod Team! Pershaps I’ll call GD about the wonky created dates.

One more question — do you have a favorite domain mgmt software? I’d like an all-in-one that includes this info plus DA & Backlinks, if possible.

 

[Molly]

That should not be the case for GoDaddy Closeouts (Buy Now).

Example?

@Bravo Mod Team. So I called Godaddy, and apparently, these domains were actually purchased from Expired (not closeout), and so the original creation date gets overwritten by the date I registered it. That doesn’t seem right to me, but they say it’s always been this way.

 

[Bravo Mod Team]

That doesn’t seem right to me, but they say it’s always been this way.

Could you reply with (or DM us) an example domain name?

Some of their support reps are not nearly as knowledgeable as we'd hope.

 

[Bravo Mod Team]

do you have a favorite domain mgmt software? I’d like an all-in-one that includes this info plus DA & Backlinks, if possible.

This is probably worth a separate thread.

We don't personally use any domain management solutions, but we've seen a few out there that look promising. For example, Domain.io by @aoxborrow looks good.

Other members will be able to share their experiences in a dedicated thread. Edit: https://www.namepros.com/threads/domain-management-tools-software.1330951/

 

[Molly]

Could you reply with (or DM us) an example domain name?

Some of their support reps are not nearly as knowledgeable as we'd hope.

I really appreciate you, @Bravo Mod Team! I’ll be the first to tell you I’m a PiTA, and it’s not just because my people eat them.

I just DM’d a couple of names to you, and will start another thread for the tools convo shortly.

 

[Bravo Mod Team]

these domains were actually purchased from Expired (not closeout), and so the original creation date gets overwritten by the date I registered it . . . but they say it’s always been this way.

The creation date should not be overwritten if it's an expired auction, but that's different from dropcatching.

Did you use GoDaddy's Domain Backorders service?

That would explain it.

 

[Molly]

The creation date should not be overwritten if it's an expired auction, but that's different from dropcatching.

Did you use GoDaddy's Domain Backorders service?

That would explain it.

Nope, I don’t use that. Do they treat hand regs the same way, I wonder? That is, suppose this same domain had been hand reg’d a decade ago and forgotten about (long expired) until I hand reg it again. In this case, it seems created date matches my reg date, despite the domain having previously been in existence.

 

[dirk]

Nope, I don’t use that. Do they treat hand regs the same way, I wonder? That is, suppose this same domain had been hand reg’d a decade ago and forgotten about (long expired) until I hand reg it again. In this case, it seems created date matches my reg date, despite the domain having previously been in existence.

Yes. The registration date will only show the last time it has been registered after it has become available for registration (either handregs or drop catchers).

So a domain dropped, will show a new registered date. A domain expired and sold off (before dropping )will show the original registration date.

That's why domain age doesn't always matter.... Some domains caught at the drop show a 'new' registration date but may be in high demand on backorders/drop catching.

There's no way for GD to manipulate this.

 

[dirk]

For example, Domain.io by @aoxborrow looks good.

Superb one I would like to add.

 

[Bravo Mod Team]

@Molly,

In short:

• Expired auctions, including closeouts = creation date unchanged.
• Everything else, including dropcatched auctions = new creation date.

Spaceship released a new tool to help a little with this unfortunate reality, but it (and tools like it) can never be 100% comprehensive due to how WHOIS works.

Check it out: https://www.namepros.com/threads/sp...-free-whois-history-tool.1330576/post-9208710

 

[Molly]

Hi guys. I’m seeing differences in backlinks when comparing Ahrefs to Semrush, and a difference in CPC & Keyword volume comparing Esti & Semrush. Who do you trust most?

 

[Bravo Mod Team]

Hi guys. I’m seeing differences in backlinks when comparing Ahrefs to Semrush, and a difference in CPC & Keyword volume comparing Esti & Semrush. Who do you trust most?

General rule of thumb: trust the website with the most organic traffic. Check on SimilarWeb. Exceptions apply.

Google Ad’s Keyword Planner for CPC and volume.

 

[Molly]

General rule of thumb: trust the website with the most organic traffic. Check on SimilarWeb. Exceptions apply.

Google Ad’s Keyword Planner for CPC and volume.

Your timing is impeccable! I spent some time this afternoon trying to gather CPC info on several of my domains. I used Esti, but am looking forward to checking out the link — thank you!

One of my domains, at least according to Esti’s info, is apparently potentially worth $60 million a month in ads! Is that for real?! I’m guessing you’re going to tell me not to quit my day job yet.

 

[Bravo Mod Team]

I’m guessing you’re going to tell me not to quit my day job yet.

 

[Molly]

Google Ad’s Keyword Planner for CPC and volume.

Do you have to pay for advertising in order to access Google’s search volume & CPC, or is there a trick I’m missing? Thanks!

 

[zotix]

I mean, the thing @dirk explained is pretty straight forward and correct.

@Molly,

In short:

• Expired auctions, including closeouts = creation date unchanged.
• Everything else, including dropcatched auctions = new creation date.

Spaceship released a new tool to help a little with this unfortunate reality, but it (and tools like it) can never be 100% comprehensive due to how WHOIS works.

Check it out: https://www.namepros.com/threads/sp...-free-whois-history-tool.1330576/post-9208710

This summary is also straightforward.

But what about just taking the data from WBM? Start from the current date, go back until you find the first Gap, and compare it to the next one. If it's X days (threshold) smaller, then go further back until you truly find the data where the domain was not used for more than this specific threshold.

Expiration Date ->, e.g., Dropcatch date (average) + 10 Days, what is the number of days to pay for Dropcatch before they ban? Let's assume 14 Days.

With that, you would have 3 Data in your set:

1. Registration Date
2. Expiry Date
3. New Date (last active) -> Without Gaps (threshold considered)

Would that go in the direction you think OP, or am I going in the wrong direction?

zotix

 

[Molly]

I mean, the thing @dirk explained is pretty straight forward and correct.


This summary is also straightforward.

But what about just taking the data from WBM? Start from the current date, go back until you find the first Gap, and compare it to the next one. If it's X days (threshold) smaller, then go further back until you truly find the data where the domain was not used for more than this specific threshold.

Expiration Date ->, e.g., Dropcatch date (average) + 10 Days, what is the number of days to pay for Dropcatch before they ban? Let's assume 14 Days.

With that, you would have 3 Data in your set:

1. Registration Date
2. Expiry Date
3. New Date (last active) -> Without Gaps (threshold considered)

Would that go in the direction you think OP, or am I going in the wrong direction?

zotix

Thanks for this, @zotix! I’ve heard people talking about WBY but don’t quite understand it; though, I started wondering yesterday if I could somehow use it in this way. Thanks for the suggestion!

 

[Molly]

So, I’m not sure what to make of what I’m seeing. I haven’t figured out how to use Google’s keyword planner without first setting up an ad campaign. Neither me or my wallet are ready for that.

I’m comparing Esti search volume & CPC to Semrush, and it’s not a happy story. According to the former, taking CPC x Search = $60 million for one domain name. However, Semrush, paints a much darker picture — a small fraction of that.

Assuming I’m unable to use Google’s Keyword thing without a paid ad campaign, should I average these other two? …I’m in too deep to walk away now. Thoughts appreciated!