Who and What are we Appraising?

[jspiker77]

I joined this forum believeing that it was an avenue for webmaster's to share idea's on improving the value of our website's and the more time I spend reading the forums the more I see people going domain shopping thinking that they have hit the "Gold Mine" with domains that mean NOTHING .... unless you spend the time creating a website that people want to visit it is worthless let me give you some examples

eBay.com: Domain alone WORTHLESS
hotmail.com: Domain alone WORTHLESS
dmoz.com: Domain alone WORTHLESS

Why can't this forum go back to helping US the webmaster help EACH OTHER

Maybe I am the only one that feels this way but lets turn this forum back to what it should be webmasters like you and I trying to make a live developing sites and them selling them for a profit and sharing ideas on how to make it more valuble.

 

[dewd]

this thread is in wrong place,,,

 

[Mark]

Thread Moved ~

BTW - You've only been here 4 days .... But you talk as if you've been here for a while ?

 

[jspiker77]

this thread is in wrong place,,,

Hi Joe,

As though you may have a very valid point but concider this ... this forum is getting over loaded with with comments such as "Needs to be developed" or "Low to Mid XX" why not share ideas such as "you have a great domain but the way it sits it's really worth NOTHING why not develope it into a XXX site so that you have something that people care about" the idea is to share idea's with the domains that we register with the idea in selling them lets face it you can register domains ALL DAY long for $3.95 and sell them for $10.00 and really where are you ... in all honestly you are spending more time than it is worth searching for new domains.

Every domain that I have asked for a appraisal for has appraised for $xx,xxx I would like for all of us to share ideas to make what we work so hard for to actually be worth somthing.

I'm sorry if some of you feel this is in the wrong place but lets face it we are ALL here to make money lets share some ideas to make it happen.

 

[armstrong]

I joined this forum believeing that it was an avenue for webmaster's to share idea's on improving the value of our website's

Check out the NP logo above: Namepros / Buy, Sell, Discuss Domain Names. So this forum is primariy about domainers, who share the common belief that some domains have an intrinsic value just for the domain itself. Value could come from several characteristics, among which are length, keywords, extension, etc., but most importantly type-in traffic.

Of course, most registered domains are intrinsically worthless. Maybe with a forum like NP, people will realize this and do one of three things:
1. develop their intrinsically worthless domains
2. become a smarter domainer and spot bargains and new opportunities as they appear, for later resale
3. acquire awesome domains for actual development

Most webmasters are comfortable with option 1. Some domainers (not all!) do well with 2. I like option 3 the best, and don't mind spending good money on great domains with the intention to develop.

To me, an excellent domain is like an excellent company name; sure, one can do business as "Topeka Advertising Solutions Corp.", but I'm sure "Amazing Inc." would be a much better option.

Thanks for your candor! :tu:

 

[labrocca]

This is not a webmaster forums. This is a domainers forums which is very different.

There are lots of site dedicated to helping develop a site it's full potential. This site is dedicated to the marketplace of domains.

 

[CrazyTech]

Well, first off this place is called Namepros for a reason. It's centered around the domain market which is an umbrella over the "webmaster" market. This place has all the resources you could ask for and loads of friendly individuals willing to help out through appraisals, advice, or instruction. The resources are available to those who develop websites and to those who resell domain names. You'll find all types here.

With that said, I agree that we should help people - afterall that's what Namepros is truly built on IMHO. But at the same time, a market functions at all levels. If we all focused on development of huge websites there would be very little of anything going on. Granted, this is an extreme example, but you see where I am going. Namepros itself is unique because anyone can come here from the "day to day traders" of domain names right down to the connoisseurs of fine websites.

Some of us don't expect every name we get to reach the $xx,xxx range, but that doesn't mean they don't have a right to participate. I'm sorry if all of the domains and replies here don't meet your personal level of approval.

 

[IAmAllanShore]

eBay.com: Domain alone WORTHLESS
hotmail.com: Domain alone WORTHLESS
dmoz.com: Domain alone WORTHLESS

I join in most of the comments from other users, but I feel like I gotta say...

Your examples above are just wrong. I will, for the sake of argument, assume that nothing ever existed at the sites to remove all external value from the names.
eBay.com: Domain alone NOT worthless. 4 letter .com with an "e" in front of a 3 letter word.
hotmail.com: NOT worthless. ___mail.com has had and continues to have good potential if the name fits, IMHO.
dmoz.com: NOT worthless, although the lowest of the bunch. It's a pronouncable 4 letter .com, I typically buy these buggers up.

Just FWIW.

-Allan

 

[armstrong]

By the way, I disagree that the domains you offered as examples are intrinsically worthless. Here's why:

ebay.com - short, brandable dotcom domain; it even passes the "radio test" , meaning if one hears it spoken, its very hard to not know how to spell it. It would be a real challenge to try and find a similar domain today.

hotmail.com - a perfect domain for its intended use, as "hotmail" is similar to "html".

dmoz.com - I believe the site is actually dmoz.org; dmoz.com is probably just there to help folks find the correct site. If someone actually acquired dmoz.com, can you imagine the traffic? It would be worth a lot for the traffic alone.

EDIT: count on AllanShore to beatme to the punch. is there a warning category for that? hmm, let me see. :p

 

[jspiker77]

I never intended to upset anyone my only point was why not work together in ideas to make the domains we register worth more than just a name.

Example if you goto ebay and look at what is selling and what it is selling for names alone don't make much but there a 100's of people selling crappy domains for 100's because they took a simple template and added some content. Why not share those ideas when someone registers IE: extremestuff.com and give them some ideas on how that domain might be worth more and content that could be put in it.

 

[CrazyTech]

We do that here if you haven't noticed. Generally it comes pretty easily if you ask. Posting in the appraisals forum warrants an appraisal. I think most count an appraisal as a valuing of the domain - anything more is extra. It's enough that the person is taking the time out of his or her day to give you an idea of your value. They often suggest that the domain (as would any domain) would be worth more with development. From there some throw up ideas if they'd like. You're always free as a person to ask for ideas and people will answer if no such suggestions are made in the thread. So to be honest, I don't exactly see the problem that you see here at NP.

 

[jspiker77]

We do that here if you haven't noticed. Generally it comes pretty easily if you ask. Posting in the appraisals forum warrants an appraisal. I think most count an appraisal as a valuing of the domain - anything more is extra. It's enough that the person is taking the time out of his or her day to give you an idea of your value. They often suggest that the domain (as would any domain) would be worth more with development. From there some throw up ideas if they'd like. You're always free as a person to ask for ideas and people will answer if no such suggestions are made in the thread. So to be honest, I don't exactly see the problem that you see here at NP.

"So to be honest, I don't exactly see the problem that you see here at NP." I DON'T my only point is bring this forum to it's full potential. I am here for a reason, and posting this for a reason. We are ALL here to help each other so lets do it.

 

[CrazyTech]

And my point is we're already doing this.

 

[JMJ]

I think the problem is two forums were merged into one. Originally if you came here for NamePros it was a domain forum. The other forum that was merged was a webmaster related forum.

As far as development goes. If you are in the business of selling domains via other places than these forums as in trying to get end-users you can't develop. If you do they see a site when they type-in the domain and move on to find something available or not developed with a "for sale" sign if you will.

I've tried the template route and spent a bunch of time throwing up sites and ended up making what I would have without all that work.

 

[Mark]

Do you see why I moved this thread now jspiker77 ? :D This isn't the first time this type discussion was Brought up here - and may not be the last either ..... The appraisal section is also going through a slight transition at the moment as well.
In order to Prevent Spamming (Folks just trying to earn Np$) -RJ- has just switched over to a system where the Appraisers being credited Np$ for their Appraisal - Have to fill out "Interview Q&A's" in their control panel and They are somewhat screened in this manner ~ Some Things will Definitely be improving in there soon .... :imho:

 

[-db-]

I once saw a guy (at sitepoint) saying that people were crazy trying to sell domains for high prices. Some of his comments were rude and even insulting. He acted like the domain buyers/sellers were from another planet or speaking another language. Then it occurred to me... he was not just being an @ss, he was truly and honestly unaware that there is an aftermarket for domain names, or they've been selling for high prices a long time. So to him, we really were from another planet.

For that matter, some members of my own family didn't "get it" until they learned about the industry. They thought a name was a name, and they were all the same price, and that anybody could get what they wanted by going to register it. A lot of average everyday people simply don't know about this business. Imagine their shock when they discover a simple domain name (that in their mind: cost $8 to register) selling for hundreds or thousands of dollars. It's quite a wake up call. They don't know that most good domains are long gone, and you can't just hand register them.

That being said - it's true that 90% of domains being appraised are crap, and that many people get in the business with a get rich quick mentality, only to be disappointed. This is a risky business and not one that I would recommend to the average joe, unless he's willing to accept that he might lose his money and see his pipe dreams go up in smoke.

 

[.X.]

I joined this forum believeing that it was an avenue for webmaster's to share idea's on improving the value of our website's and the more time I spend reading the forums the more I see people going domain shopping thinking that they have hit the "Gold Mine" with domains that mean NOTHING .... unless you spend the time creating a website that people want to visit it is worthless let me give you some examples

eBay.com: Domain alone WORTHLESS
hotmail.com: Domain alone WORTHLESS
dmoz.com: Domain alone WORTHLESS

Why can't this forum go back to helping US the webmaster help EACH OTHER

Maybe I am the only one that feels this way but lets turn this forum back to what it should be webmasters like you and I trying to make a live developing sites and them selling them for a profit and sharing ideas on how to make it more valuble.

Dadgum you sound all upset.lol..Alot of domainers here simply collect domains as a hobby,There is nothing wrong with that,Some here buy to sell domains nothing wrong with that either,Some like myself do both plus develope names into websites,I believe DNs by themselves do carry value,Rather it's personel or monetery,I believe it's important to have a diverse comunity,Why not,It makes for a more interesting site.Sharing ideas is cool,I like doing that here,But i would never lay my cards on the table of info on my developments.Helping others is a great thing,I have recieved alot of good advice and help here.If the site where soley webmasters i would agree with you,But it's not.So really when i think about it i can appreciate the diveristy Namepros offers members.And they have topic forums covering practically all areas from new domainers,To expierenced webmasters.There is something for everyone here.