Web could run out of addresses next year, warn web experts

[InternetMoney]

Web could run out of addresses next year, warn web experts

How will this effect domain values? Would those already existing have greater value? When does a domain name get an address? Is it necessary to at least park a domain?

 

[Jaco]

Nice read, very informative! Thanks.

Here's a self-help guide you might find useful:

Self Help for Richard

Now now now... Remember the Children .

 

[MicroGuy]

Now now now... Remember the Children .

:red:

 

[john_karr]

Story behind the screen name....

Some time ago, a friend of mine bought a website, recognizing the potential it had. The developer/owner was a dumb kid who had accidentally stumbled into something great, but didn't have any clue how to mange it, so he listed it for sale and my friend bought it without negotiating a penny off the ask.

In short order, he unlocked the potential the site/concept had and it started to gain a great deal of relevance in it's niche. The kid who sold it was completely distraught, realizing how badly he had ****ed up by selling it for cheeseburgers. He went off the deep-end, posting stuff about my friend on forums, about how he had been 'cheated'... After he realized he wasn't going to get any sympathy from anyone for selling a webiste at his own full asking price then feeling 'cheated' because someone managed it better than he did, he started to slander my friend, posting completely untrue and very nasty stuff...

My friend just ignored it, but it took self control.

After a while, the kid had pretty much dedicated every waking moment of his life to annoying my friend... Phone calls, emails, forum posts- the whole nine. He was clearly a VERY unstable person, but we all got a kick out of the show he put on. Finally, my buddy had enough and responded by saying (paraphrase) "life sure isn't fair. You created the site, I bought the site and I got all the money, while you got peanuts. Some people go through life getting donged, while others go through life as the dongsman... In our relationship, we all know who's who..."

After that, he never heard from the kid again who completely dropped off the face of the earth, but the term "dongsman" really made us LOL and became a standard part of our vernacular. In time, whenever one of us booked a killer deal or really aced someone badly, we might be heard to say "I was the John ****ing Holmes of Dongsmen today...", ergo, the av.

LMAO that a great story Dongsmen! What the name of your friends site if you don't mind me asking?

 

[DubDubDubDot]

if someone registers e-business123.tel, that has a dillutive impact on business.com (and airplanes.com, and iAuction.com), much like Microsoft diluting equity by issuing new shares?

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL.

Domain dilution isn't as obvious as stock dilution. It does exist, but in the form of a butterfly effect whereby someone is reasonably happy with the domain they've already got, so they don't bid up the price of a better domain.

It is very reasonable to say that a chain of events could begin with a noob registering e-business123.tel and end with Business.com selling for less than it otherwise would have. The more domains that are available, the greater the chance of this happening.

 

[HappyBunny]

Should have a negative effect on domain prices. A surplus of domain names with a shortage of IP addresses to assign them to. But I think this issue is already pretty well known, so it may already be priced in.

- a surplus of domain names
- a shortage of IP addresses to assign them to

They are not related. An IP address can be used to host any number of domain names.

 

[Jaco]

It is very reasonable to say that a chain of events could begin with a noob registering e-business123.tel and end with Business.com selling for less than it otherwise would have. The more domains that are available, the greater the chance of this happening.

The position you're taking is akin to saying that the result of a 6 year old child doodling with a crayon may have an impact on the eventual selling price of a Piccasso.

So, no, it isn't "very reasonable" to say that e-business123.tel may have an eventual impact on the selling price of business.com, per the butterfly effect. It's logically remote and entirely academic with absolutely no basis in 'non-theoretical' reality.

Adding more and more domains doesn't introduce a dilutive component to the macro domaining picture. Attritive? Sure, in the early years when there were still decent alternatives out there for registry fee. Still, cohearance and cogency in keywords is a finite thing and we strip-mined that mountain long ago. What's 'left' in the existing registry namespace is complete dross, the presence of which has absolutely no impact- whatsoever- on the market dynamics of totally unrelated names that are of genuine quality. To say that the total 'number' of domains has a dilutive impact on domain selling prices at-large is absurd, considering the number of domains that represent something meaningful (thus salable thus valuable) is virtually fixed, most all of them are spoken for (99.99>>%) while the number of registered .com domains is orders of magnitude above that figure.

 

[equity78]

Dilution would affect something that is the same. There is only one SEX.com, no matter how many idiotic names are regged in the .nf extension has no bearing on that.

There are 17,576 LLL.com because someone regs an LLL.cx does not dilute the value of the LLL.com. That might be a happy story that an alternative extension investor tells themself to get through the day, but its not true.

Unique quality does not get diluted, what can diluted is also ran extensions, sure if someone says .food .foods .restaurant who cares ? then there is dilution. .biz and .info and an extension I like .tv gets diluted by more vanity extensions. .com,.de,.cn,.co.uk,.ru etc... do not get diluted. Again IMO

 

[-NC-]

Web could run out of addresses next year, warn web experts

They've been saying that for years. And it would eventually happen if not for IPv6. But as of right now, you can buy an IP address for $2 a month. So I don't think they're that scarce.

How will this effect domain values?

It won't.

Would those already existing have greater value?

No.

When does a domain name get an address?

When you set its nameservers to a DNS server that has an A record for the domain.

Is it necessary to at least park a domain?

It's necessary for the parking/hosting company to have at least one IP address. Not the domain owner. As already stated, you can point any number of domains to one IP address.

 

[DubDubDubDot]

What's 'left' in the existing registry namespace is complete dross, the presence of which has absolutely no impact- whatsoever- on the market dynamics of totally unrelated names that are of genuine quality.

I would totally agree with you if buyers limited themselves to a certain level of quality. But we don't have planet Premium, planet Marginal and planet Trash. When the biggest sites in the world are on domains of all levels of quality, that sends a message that domains priced much lower than your budget are an option.

A classic example is three guys starting a video site and using a piece of trash hand reg like YouTube.com. Before the site became popular they received investment money and in theory could have bought something much better, but they didn't. Thus, trash prevented a premium sale.

 

[JoshuaPz]

This thread should be closed. Anyone with a basic understanding of computer networks knows why IPv4 address exhaustion will have zero impact on the number of domain names registered. Period

The IPv4 exhaustion just means that DNS service operators will need to purge or purchase a few those those vast blocks of "reserved", unused, and unneeded IP addresses previously assigned to software pioneers like IBM (back in these '80s when there were no IP address quotas). There are 4 billion IP address slots in all and only a couple hundred million domains registered, with many domains redirecting to the same IP address -- so Internet domains constitute only a small percentage of the 4B sum total. ~20M-40M new domains are registered per year now, and ICANN could cause 20M-40M IP slots to become freed in a matter of...hours, by petitioning those IBM types -- end of story. The IP shortage is more worrisome in the eyes of ISPs serving up IP addresses to consumers, who simply wish to the connect the internet, via DHCP and more and more folks throughout ex third-world countries purchase Internet connections. For every domain registered, at least 10 people sign up for a new Internet connection.

IPv6 is a long while off from being implemented in practice. Sure, the infrastructure for it exists in Windows Vista and Windows 7, but 99%+ of all actual web servers out there only have IPv4 addresses (no IPv6) and there's no way that 99% figure will fall even to 90% by the expected point of IPv4 address saturation, around June 2011. IPv6 is a sluggish long-term solution -- maybe 10 years from now 40-50% of web servers will be IPv6 compatible. Until then, the only practical solution to the address saturation problem is an IPv4 address marketplace, which will unfortunately result in elevated operating costs for ISPs that will ultimately be passed on to consumers in the form of more expensive Internet service costs. That $40/month 3Mbps connection you have enjoyed until now will soon be costing you closer to $100/month and used in large part to line the pockets of IBM's executives. That's what happens when brilliant software engineers occasionally lack foresight.

 

[ComKid]

I'm going to take a wild guess and say you probably never considered that many young people read this forum.

:kickass:

 

[WordWalker]

Why Weren't we Told?

It's all right HERE.

 

[Albert]

We don't care.

 

[mis_chiff]

This is an old article Tuesday, August 5, 2008

and there is a thread around somewhere about it.

Wonder if that's an intentional typo in the Tagline?

 

[WordWalker]

We don't care.

(simply a wee bit of levity....)

Mis_Chiff, can you scrap this thread? Apparently, we are not amused! -WW

 

[mis_chiff]

Found the other thread http://www.namepros.com/domain-name-discussion/620697-web-could-run-out-addresses-next.html

 

[WordWalker]

Found the other thread http://www.namepros.com/domain-name-discussion/620697-web-could-run-out-addresses-next.html

Yes, that's what this parody piece was based on. Rep'd!

ZOOM in on the chart, and you'll see what I mean. Please feel free to "wish" this thread into the cornfield. That would be "real good"!

Thanks,
-WW