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Hi guys,

A UDRP complaint has been filed against me, and wouldn't mind some advice.

Basically, I think I have a good case, and I think there's a good argument it's a case of a reverse hijack. The company registered their trademark quite a few years after I registered the domain, but what could count against me is I'm not actively using the domain for any real purpose at the present time, and was actively trying to sell the domain (they basically threw the UDRP at me when we couldn't agree a price. It all comes over a bit petulant and arrogant on their part).

So, although I have considered fighting the case myself, I think, as the domain is classed as a "premium domain" it's too valuable to risk it, so I want a good UDRP law firm with a good success rate...hopefully also at a reasonable price. I think I might some sort of balance between results and value. So, are there any statistics around on who gets the results for "Respondents", or failing that, recommendations?

I think I'm also after a fixed sum for the whole thing, agreed in advance (maybe split in two with a "success fee" - although I'm undecided on that, yet). I don't want the bill growing like Topsy. What price should I be looking at for a decent defense?

Thanks for any help.
 
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Some lawyers have a consistent 100% success rate, because they obviously don't take on cases that are DOA and not defensible. I would certainly request a consultation, so you know where you stand legally.

It's sort of like asking which doctors have the highest survival rate. It depends on what sort of patients they get. Your local dermatologist probably loses fewer patients than someone in the emergency room.
 
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I will not recommend any name because I have never been in this situation. But my advice would be to review recent UDRP decisions, filter on those that were denied (= complaint failed) and see who were the parties involved. You'll find some names easily :)

You can try a resource like http://www.udrpsearch.com/

Some lawyers have a consistent 100% success rate, because they obviously don't take on cases that are DOA and not defensible. I would certainly request a consultation, so you know where you stand legally. But what is important is exactly which points are made against you in the UDRP. These points will have to be addressed.

I found one recent case which is different than yours but possibly interesting:
(emphasis is mine and of course the devil is in the details and the specific circumstances)
Respondent argues under Policy ¶ 4(b)(i) that it clearly did not target Complainant in offering to sell the domain to it for a large sum of money because all offers submitted by Complainant were done so anonymously. Panels look to the facts and circumstances of each individual case in determining bad faith. See Id Software, Inc. v. Doom Gaming Connections, FA 95002 (Forum July 24, 2000) (finding that the respondent, registrant of <doom.com>, did not register or use the domain name in bad faith by placing the domain name for sale on the eBay auction website since there was no evidence of any attempt to sell during the first five years of ownership, so there could be no inference that the respondent acquired the name for the purpose of resale to the complainant or a competitor); see also Pocatello Idaho Auditorium Dist. v. CES Mktg. Group, Inc., FA 103186 (Forum Feb. 21, 2002) (finding that “when a Complainant indicates a willingness to engage in a market transaction for the name, it does not violate the policy for a [the respondent] to offer to sell for a market price, rather than out-of-pocket expenses”). Here, this case involves a 4-letter domain name, which is inherently valuable—as seen by Complainant’s willingness to pay $50,000 for it. The Panel agrees that the parties were engaged in legitimate negotiations for purchase of the domain name and have differing opinions over the market value—which cannot amount to bad faith under Policy ¶ 4(b)(i).
http://www.adrforum.com/domaindecisions/1716823.htm

You say you've been "actively trying to sell the domain", but that doesn't say if you specifically contacted the other party, or you just put the name on the market without seeking their interest.

Disclaimer: not qualified legal advice.
 
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"or the scientific methods used to arrive at this conclusion"

Absent a method, it's just a number. I've never counted, personally, since I don't see the point. The one statistic I did look at once was "number of RDNH findings" at RDNH.com. At the time I checked, ESQwire.com, the firm of Ari Goldberger and Jason Schaeffer, were about tied with me, but I believe they've had quite a few more recently. Does it mean anything? I doubt it. It's just a function of the cases with which one is entrusted.

Or, take someone who has had two cases and won both, versus someone who has had 300 cases and lost five. Is a 100% "win" record better than a 98% "win" record in that context? Who knows. Each case is different, although its pretty unusual these days that I see one that doesn't fit a pattern I've seen before.

When someone is conducting a beauty pageant to select counsel, it can be kind of amusing. I've seen a case or two I thought were fairly definite losers, and told the prospective client that I could not in good faith take their money on a reasonable chance of success. Then, a month later, I see that Zak Muscovitch (muscovitch.com) won the case. I told Zak about that the other day, and he said "I had the same thing happen with Karen Bernstein!" (karenbernsteinlaw.com)

Incidentally, if you are consulting with one lawyer who tells you "Well, it could go this way, or it could go that way... this argument might be good, and this other argument might not be so good" and then you consult with another lawyer who says, "I'm going to win your case!" - do NOT, under any circumstances, hire that second lawyer. Some people will hire people who tell them what they want to hear, and some lawyers are good at doing that, and not much else.

My other favorite "lawyer beauty pageant" experience was this one guy who sent me the complaint, sent me some background info to my questions, and then during the followup call when I was going through the pros and cons, kept saying, "But Stephen Lieberman said...." Not every lawyer is going to see your case the same way, and Steve is another reliable heavy-hitter in these things. But I kept thinking that if I wanted a discussion with Steve, I can certainly do that. Steve and I always make a point to go on a bike ride whenever we're in the same place and time. I think I ended up telling the guy that if he liked Steve's ideas so much, he should hire him. (aplegal.com)

One point not addressed from the OP is cost. Everyone has their own approach to that. I think there is a no-name outfit in the UK which sends out spam emails for flat rate UDRP defenses. By "no-name", I mean whomever runs the thing operates under a trade name and does not identify an actual attorney. I've seen some craptacular work by that operation, but can they win a drop-dead simple case? Probably. Hey, there are cases where the Respondent doesn't file a response at all and wins. It's hard to beat free!

But typically, I like to see the complaint, discuss relevant background facts with the prospective client, and come up with some idea of how much work might be involved. Some cases are, as noted above, drop-dead simple, and you'd have to put effort into losing them. Some cases are a long, tedious slog, and there's an Energizer Bunny on the opposing side who keeps filing additional stuff. What I like about those types is that - and I think any experienced UDRP defense attorney agrees - the overwhelming majority of "supplemental" filings made by complainants in UDRP proceedings are counterproductive for them. But I can usually get a feel for whether this is a three-hour no-brainer copy/paste from a very similar prior case; whether the case is an "interesting" one, which raises new or complex issues; or whether the case has a "fun factor" of some kind. Completely aside from the merits, time, cost, or whatever, some cases are a lot of fun, and I have a steep discount for that which drives the rest of my crew nuts. It might be a three-hour case, a fifteen hour case, or one of the few I do once in a while where the client really can't pay much, but I'd just hate to see them lose. I think I hit my quota on those for this year already.

Another thing you can't ignore is, "is this someone I'm comfortable working with". Different lawyers, different styles, different personalities. I should probably write a post for lawyers who do UDRP's along the lines of "I'm looking for a good client" some day. Some people enjoy working with me, some people find me frustrating as hell. Your mileage may vary.

One thing I can recommend NOT doing is "How about if I write my own response and have you look it over and mark it up." There is, seriously, no greater time suck in the world than that. It is hard to explain, but if you've ever had experience as, say, a contractor who has to come in and fix someone's DIY project instead of just starting fresh, you will know exactly what I mean. I can go into depth on that some other time, but those types of propositions have driven me bananas more times than I care to count.

So, who have I left out? I always get nervous about listing good UDRP lawyers, because I'm always afraid there is someone I might fail to mention, and they won't buy me drinks anymore. In the thread, we've had, in no particular order, Zak, Enrico, Steve, Karen, Brett, David, Ari & Jason, there's Paul Keating (law.es), John Di Giacomo (revisionlegal.com), Eugene Rome (romeandassociates.com), Adam Taylor (adlexsolicitors.co.uk), Marco Randazza (randazza.com) and I believe that the Great and Wise Derek Newman (www.newmanlaw.com) might still occasionally descend from the heights of Olympus to sully his masterful hands with a UDRP defense. Derek is also the best looking domain attorney, if that's important to you.

So, that's 13 names, you got 20 days, and you can't imagine how we are always thrilled to get into a low bid contest. We can't imagine it either.

And, I assure you, there is a lawyer somewhere who has never handled a UDRP case, would really like to get his or her hands on one, and is itching to do a spectacular job with it. Maybe you'll find the future 'best domain lawyer' and you'll be able say you knew them when. Just do us all a favor and make sure it's not someone who will turn into an insufferable self-promoting asshole in the process.
 
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so we have the experience to help you with your dispute

Hi Jessica. Do you also have experience with ethical rules on attorney advertising and direct solicitation of clients?
 
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Can you provide me any links to recent successes?

Because the UDRP providers usually, though not always, identify counsel in decisions, you can search for attorney or firm names by using the full-text search feature at:

NAF:
http://www.adrforum.com/SearchDecisions

WIPO:
http://www.wipo.int/amc/en/domains/search/

ADR.EU
http://udrp.adr.eu/adr/decisions/index.php

...and if you are just looking at outcomes, be mindful of whether the lawyer was representing the complainant or the respondent.

In the case of Ms. Alonso here, their Facebook page claims that the firm was founded in June 2016. There are a grand total of zero search results from any of the links above identifying her or her firm. Hence, the claimed "experience" of her firm, if any, would be a couple of months with either UDRP defense or placing punctuation at the ends of their sentences. So, I too await with great expectation for Ms. Alonso to tell us of her firm's claimed experience in defending UDRP disputes.

One thing to look out for is that you will receive solicitations via email from lawyers who are unable to obtain clients by referrals from others in the domain industry because (a) nobody has had a good outcome with them, and/or (b) they don't actually have any substantial experience in this area. What you should know about lawyers who do that sort of thing is that they are often already violating the poorly-enforced regulations which lawyers are supposed to abide on the subject of client solicitation. You might ask yourself whether you want to hire a lawyer who cares about collecting a fee from you more than they care about professional ethics.
 
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Copyright and trademark disputes have always been in the business world. Domain names are not different. Everybody can file a UDRP or sue anybody. Filing a complaint is one thing, making a solid case (and prevailing) is another.
 
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Before contacting the lawyer and to save on your legal fees- just do as much up front work research work, make print outs and organize things as succinctly as possible. Preparation is crucial as the time spins out of control fast- and when you are paying $250-500 an hour, it is costly. I have no idea what UDRP focused attorney's charge a fixed fee or time billed. Start writing a sequence of events up, and prepare and keep everything documented well, all the emails, dates and names, etc. Very important, I have saved a ton of money doing more work than my attorney did on an unrelated matter. Invest your time in your defense and site any previous cases from the website Kate recommended just like attorney's do with case-law. Stay focused and positive as that work you put it is necessary and will be very time consuming, and you need to weigh how much the real value of the name and your time is versus not defending it. I hope the very best for you.
 
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I wonder how this case worked out?
 
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Domain investing has been recognised as a legitimate business in recent decisions (you need to look them up) so that takes care of you being actively selling your domains. But you need to argue the trademark issue, and as you said your domain is older than their trademark (hopefully you did not abuse their mark by publishing content related to their business) but I think a good lawyer would have no problem in defending you, and ,maybe ask for a finding of Reverse Domain Hijacking. Good luck. By the way, you seem eloquent and if you read up a few cases especially decisions were a complaint is denied and why, you'd be able to defend yourself if the domain is not worthy of spending a few thousands of dollars.
 
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Is it normal for a service provider to take over a week to ok the complaint

Yes, particularly if it is WIPO. NAF is usually a little quicker. Often, your first notice of the proceeding will be if the dispute resolution provider finds a formal deficiency in the complaint, since you will be copied on correspondence from the dispute resolution provider to the complainant.

Any thoughts on "Lewis & Lin LLC"?

Brett's a great guy, and fun to work with.

http://www.wipo.int/amc/en/domains/decisions/html/2007/d2007-0148.html
Complainant is TLR, Davis, California, United States of America, represented by Lewis & Hand, LLP, Brooklyn, New York, United States of America.


Respondent is United Engineering Services LLC, Bloomfield Hills, Michigan, United States of America, represented by John Berryhill, Media, Pennsylvania, United States of America.
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For all the foregoing reasons, the Complaint is denied.

http://www.adrforum.com/domaindecisions/1126697.htm

Complainant is Register.com, Inc. (“Complainant”), represented by Brett E. Lewis, of Lewis & Hand, LLP, New York, USA. Respondent is Domain-it!, Inc. c/o Domain-It Hostmaster (“Respondent”), represented by John Berryhill, Pennsylvania, USA.
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The Panel concludes that relief shall be DENIED.

 
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Udrps are the reason the stockmarket will always be a better investment than domain names

So allegedly the company did want to buy the name? But decided not to and go down the udrp route

If they wanted to go down the udrp route they should have done so straight away as trying to buy the name originally proves that if the price was agreed they would have bought the name and the udrp would not have been filed

It would appear that the only reason they have gone down the udrp route is that they may try to get the domain for free

But a premium name commands a premium price

You can't buy a new rolls Royce for the price of a new mini which is a problem but not the rolls Royce owners problem
 
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Domain investing has been recognised as a legitimate business in recent decisions (you need to look them up) so that takes care of you being actively selling your domains. But you need to argue the trademark issue, and as you said your domain is older than their trademark (hopefully you did not abuse their mark by publishing content related to their business) but I think a good lawyer would have no problem in defending you, and ,maybe ask for a finding of Reverse Domain Hijacking. Good luck. By the way, you seem eloquent and if you read up a few cases especially decisions were a complaint is denied and why, you'd be able to defend yourself if the domain is not worthy of spending a few thousands of dollars.

That's good to know. It's worth it. I'd hate myself for a fair long while if I screwed up the UDRP defense in some way and that caused me to lose it. So feel I have to pay the money.

I see it as drawing a line in the sand as well. Hopefully no other company will mess with me over it if I win.

I think it might also add value. I've noticed quite a lot of the domains that have sold for really big bucks all seem to have been UDRP challenges repelled against them in previous years.
 
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Sorry to hear that this company has resorted to "plan B", to steal the name off of you rather than negotiate.
I hope you manage to find a good lawyer, hopefully he or she will be able to convince the other side's lawyer that they don't have a case and to withdraw the UDRP.
If you end up having to defend the case, I would really appreciate it if you could let us know the costs and also keep us up-to-date with the proceedings and outcome. I wish you the best of luck!

Thanks a lot. I'd like to, but I don't feel I can talk totally freely, least not on a public forum. Yes, I think I'd regard it a legal attempt at theft, considering they blatantly appear to be disregarding the rules of the UDRP in bringing the case.
 
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Have seen a couple of posts here it could get interesting

As generally if a person makes a significant offer for a domain they do so assuming that the person is obviously going to accept the offer

But money isn't everything and as the domain already attracts a lot of offers and the owner doesn't need to sell now and or never obviously being sufficiently financially comfy so to speak this will no doubt have annoyed the company to the point of possibly thinking that no amount of money will tempt seller to sell as seller doesn't need to sell etc

The next line of thought would probably been - we need that domain and thought if seller doesn't want to sell a udrp will get domain for free

Risky strategy as when a person doesn't need money they can usually assemble the best legal team money can buy and have some fun and games at the udrp instigators expense

When you start a udrp it might be worth remembering that there are some very wealthy domain investors out there who will challenge a udrp to win irrespective of cost whose legal expenses alone could bankrupt many if the opposition loses and has to pay both sides Legal fees and compo etc

Sometimes it's cheaper to increase your offer to seller irrespective of trademark or you can always pay for a lawyers new Ferrari or their holiday home on the coast lol
 
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All kidding aside, Brett is a very capable and accomplished attorney in domain disputes.
 
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Hi guys,

A UDRP complaint has been filed against me, and wouldn't mind some advice.

Basically, I think I have a good case, and I think there's a good argument it's a case of a reverse hijack. The company registered their trademark quite a few years after I registered the domain, but what could count against me is I'm not actively using the domain for any real purpose at the present time, and was actively trying to sell the domain (they basically threw the UDRP at me when we couldn't agree a price. It all comes over a bit petulant and arrogant on their part).

So, although I have considered fighting the case myself, I think, as the domain is classed as a "premium domain" it's too valuable to risk it, so I want a good UDRP law firm with a good success rate...hopefully also at a reasonable price. I think I might some sort of balance between results and value. So, are there any statistics around on who gets the results for "Respondents", or failing that, recommendations?

I think I'm also after a fixed sum for the whole thing, agreed in advance (maybe split in two with a "success fee" - although I'm undecided on that, yet). I don't want the bill growing like Topsy. What price should I be looking at for a decent defense?

Thanks for any help.


Hello my name is Jessica and I'm a lawyer within a law firm specializing in domain names, that includes UDRP defense, so we have the experience to help you with your dispute

I leave our website in case you want us to help you with your domain name, we can negotiate the price directly with you, to give you the best rate


web: Kalpa ProteccionDigital
 
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Hello my name is Jessica and I'm a lawyer within a law firm specializing in domain names, that includes UDRP defense, so we have the experience to help you with your dispute

I leave our website in case you want us to help you with your domain name, we can negotiate the price directly with you, to give you the best rate


web: Kalpa ProteccionDigital

Thanks Jessica. I'm going to email a few firms for quotes, so I'll add you to the list.

Can you provide me any links to recent successes? Thanks.
 
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Yes, particularly if it is WIPO. NAF is usually a little quicker. Often, your first notice of the proceeding will be if the dispute resolution provider finds a formal deficiency in the complaint, since you will be copied on correspondence from the dispute resolution provider to the complainant.



Brett's a great guy, and fun to work with.

http://www.wipo.int/amc/en/domains/decisions/html/2007/d2007-0148.html
Complainant is TLR, Davis, California, United States of America, represented by Lewis & Hand, LLP, Brooklyn, New York, United States of America.


Respondent is United Engineering Services LLC, Bloomfield Hills, Michigan, United States of America, represented by John Berryhill, Media, Pennsylvania, United States of America.
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For all the foregoing reasons, the Complaint is denied.

http://www.adrforum.com/domaindecisions/1126697.htm

Complainant is Register.com, Inc. (“Complainant”), represented by Brett E. Lewis, of Lewis & Hand, LLP, New York, USA. Respondent is Domain-it!, Inc. c/o Domain-It Hostmaster (“Respondent”), represented by John Berryhill, Pennsylvania, USA.
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The Panel concludes that relief shall be DENIED.

Thanks a lot John, lots of useful information in your posts.
 
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In the case of Ms. Alonso here, their Facebook page claims that the firm was founded in June 2016. There are a grand total of zero search results from any of the links above identifying her or her firm. Hence, the claimed "experience" of her firm, if any, would be a couple of months with either UDRP defense or placing punctuation at the ends of their sentences. So, I too await with great expectation for Ms. Alonso to tell us of her firm's claimed experience in defending UDRP disputes.

One thing to look out for is that you will receive solicitations via email from lawyers who are unable to obtain clients by referrals from others in the domain industry because (a) nobody has had a good outcome with them, and/or (b) they don't actually have any substantial experience in this area. What you should know about lawyers who do that sort of thing is that they are often already violating the poorly-enforced regulations which lawyers are supposed to abide on the subject of client solicitation. You might ask yourself whether you want to hire a lawyer who cares about collecting a fee from you more than they care about professional ethics.

I thought the same.
 
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I want a good UDRP law firm with a good success rate
I researched this recently and compiled all of the data on UDRP decisions that I could find.

John Berryhill (www.johnberryhill.com) is ranked #1 for the most UDRP wins, according to the data I compiled.

The superb UDRP attorneys can be counted on one hand, and if you want the best, that's @jberryhill.


The statement before this statement is based on and backed by scientific data that was compiled and analyzed by a scientific scientist (redundancy is resiliency), according to the piece of paper that my university sent me when I graduated. I certify that there are no errors caused by slothfulness or intentional negligence in the observation, measurement, or formulation of scientific data or the scientific methods used to arrive at this conclusion, to the best of my knowledge. Kudos for reading the fine print.
 
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The statement before this statement is based on and backed by scientific data that was compiled and analyzed by a scientific scientist (redundancy is resiliency), according to the piece of paper that my university sent me when I graduated. I certify that there are no errors caused by slothfulness or intentional negligence in the observation, measurement, or formulation of scientific data or the scientific methods used to arrive at this conclusion, to the best of my knowledge. Kudos for reading the fine print.

I read the fine print. What was your graduation thesis about? Just wondering, if you don't mind. :)
 
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I wonder if we'll ever hear back from Jessica.
 
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