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Hypothetical situation, similar to one I am looking at. Let's say you want to buy the name, AcmeBeer.com, but there is a trademark on "Acme Beer and Wine" and they own AcmeBeerandWine.com. Is buying AcmeBeer.com a violation of trademark law?
 
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TMs are not just about protecting the business, but also about protecting the consumer. We all benefit from their existence.

How that would be a stupid invention is beyond me.
Fact : who decide what is a TM or not ?
do you have any experience yourself about TM ?

to argue with about TM is strange - i fight the German Olympic Team
 
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If the world was to blow up tomorrow and they had to choose useful people and only have 5 seats left to go to a New Planet and your choices were.

1. Doctor
2. Plumber
3. Cook
4. Carpenter
5. Lawyer
6. Baby

Which would you choice for that last seat?

Baby ? :xf.wink:
 
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Whatโ€™s the issue with โ€œbillingโ€? It has been stated clearly that legal matter needs to be discussed confidentially.

A problem is you cannot discuss trademark here or on Legal StackExchange fully. The person who asked the question needs to use a fake example, and the answers would be based on a fake example.

But every legal case is different. You need to sit down with an expert and go over all the details. And preparing a legal defense is no trivial matter.

I have no experience with TM but I do have some with patents (a few patents are attributed to me). I can tell you after many years of experience I still donโ€™t quite understand the patent law.

The thing is, laws are a moving target. Whatโ€™s applicable yesterday isnโ€™t applicable tomorrow because of certain case law. Try following an IP blog for a while. You would be amazed how things can quickly change.

So you need a lawyer, someone who will spend the time understanding what the current legal interpretations are.

And lawyers donโ€™t know everything too. You get served by someone and you asked your lawyer what to do, and he might throw up his hands. With patents, filing a patent and prosecuting a patent are two very different things. With TM, probably the same. Lawyers have their own areas of expertise. Think dentist vs neuron surgeon.

So, the value of an attorney is to help you not get into a difficult situation where you need to spend loads of money on discovery and expert opinions and all that emotional stress.

Again, ignorance is not a legal defense. But it can get you in deep deep trouble.
 
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habit ?
Still i HATE Trademarks !!! and i fight The German Government ( DOSB ) Deutscher Olympischer Sportbund
The National Olympic Team and The President THOMAS BACH of the International Olympic committee ...

to be continued
 
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Here an example: Nissan.com
 
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Still i HATE Trademarks !!! and i fight The German Government ( DOSB ) Deutscher Olympischer Sportbund
The National Olympic Team and The President THOMAS BACH of the International Olympic committee ...

to be continued

Fair enough. You're free to have your opinion.

TMs protected my business on various occasions so I'm all for it.
 
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To try extend this theme to another tightly related aspect - a business name as protected entity compared inline with a trade mark. I mean there could be situations where those are not paired, so one company can have its NameCo registered and the other could register the TM NameCo as domaining brand for example or similar, so to explain my understanding, those would be possibly accepted to coexists on the same market by regulators as determinate on the purposely differentiating the business/marketing activities niches.
 
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Fair enough. You're free to have your opinion.

TMs protected my business on various occasions so I'm all for it.

let me share the SaveDotOrg thing to my 30.000 linked connections and focus on domaining :xf.smile:
 
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Cool. You're right. Thanks for that! Share the word!
done :xf.wink:
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Hypothetical situation, similar to one I am looking at. Let's say you want to buy the name, AcmeBeer.com, but there is a trademark on "Acme Beer and Wine" and they own AcmeBeerandWine.com. Is buying AcmeBeer.com a violation of trademark law?
As a layman who owns a little over a thousand .com domains, and who has trademarked four domains myself I wouldn't own/buy the name AcmeBeer if a TM already existed for AcmeBeerandWine.

That said, I've been falsely accused of cybersquatting by some members of the NP community leaving a very bad taste for the domain industry as a whole. My recommendation to you is apply common sense, get a few other opinions, and do what you think is right. Good Luck(y)
 
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even the @ sign was trademarked

WTF
 
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Hypothetical situation, similar to one I am looking at. Let's say you want to buy the name, AcmeBeer.com, but there is a trademark on "Acme Beer and Wine" and they own AcmeBeerandWine.com. Is buying AcmeBeer.com a violation of trademark law?


It depends..

Will it be used for profiting from their brand name or profiting from a parody of their brand? If so, they can shut you down.

If it's just an information site about their products or the same industry you can buy and use it with no worries.


I've reg several trademarks and I pick the brains of examining attorneys that call me during the TM reg process.


Here is what I've learned so far...


It does not matter if someone registered a trademark before the date that you purchased the exact domain name. Unless you are soliciting them to sell the domain... more on that shortly.

Here are the exceptions...

If you start making a profit by selling their product(s) or your own products by using their tm brand name in your domain or in your site content or derivative/spoof products, they have an opportunity to take you to court and shut you down.

Like Starbucks shutting down the guy that was selling POD parody/spoof of their logo.
It looked like the Starbucks logo at first glance until you notice its a woman holding a wad of cash in her hands and it says Consumer Whore instead of Starbucks.

He had to stop selling these products because it was deemed, "brand confusion"

Here's an example regarding the tm and domain...

My friend purchased the domain ICONHelmets and he was even a licensed reseller for the ICON motorcycle gear company. The ICON company that supplied his helmets sent him a cease and desist letter in the first week that he launched his site.

They said it would cause "brand confusion". They did not want their customers to think his website was their main corporate website. That could be disastrous, especially if he
misrepresented their brand with bad customer service.

He changed his domain to continue selling their gear.

You have the right to register any domain, even one that has a big TM brand name in it like Pepsi.

You can even have insulting information about Pepsi products that you despise.

Let's say a domain like Pepsi-Stinks

You and your content and your domain are protected by freedom of speech laws (in the US) to keep that domain/site.

The Pepsi corporation cannot touch you...unless your website starts making a profit by using the Pepsi name.

Further, if you purchase a trademarked domain name after someone registers the TM and you try to sell it to the trademark owner... it is considered extortion under what are known as parasite laws (like cyber squatting).

The TM owner may be able (via court) to take your domain free of charge if they can prove that you solicited them for the sale.

That's one of the ways the courts determine intent of purchase, cyber squatting etc.

You can however, solicit them with an offer to sell the domain if they have first contacted you regarding the domain in question.

But you would have to prove this 'first contact' if it ever went to court. So keep any domain inquires from these prospects.

Trademark laws are still evolving so stay up to date (In the US) Just Google the word TESS and the TM office site is the first/top link

Or talk to tm attorneys when you can.

I hope this helps shed some light on this topic






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