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To those who say don't rely on Appraisal Bot tools...

Labeled as discuss in General Domain Discussion started by cixxy, Oct 25, 2018.

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  1. namemarket

    namemarket Top Member VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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    I believe a big issue with GoValue is it tends to valuate based on the individual words which is why you see the high valuations for nonsensical domains in business, mortgage, crypto and poker, etc. Frequently it does not seem to consider if the words make sense combined together. If there's a way for GD to remove the one word bias and look at multiple keywords making sense when strung together the tool would be far more accurate. It's surprising GD does not implement ways to do that.
     
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  2. cixxy

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    Hey guys I'm back after being busy for a few days.

    I bought CellMortgage and FuelMortgage couldn't resist, thanks for sharing those.

    Cell/Mortgage is pretty good, I don't know why you gave that one away to be honest. But Fuel/Mortgage is pretty dubious... I still thought it had a bit of potential though since fuel can mean "to fuel your mortgage needs".

    Food/mortgage is a complete joke to me though at the $2k price point, so that's a good one to point out for the inaccuracy of the AI. But chances are, most of what you tried is accurate and it took a while to find that. @Recons.Com

    Mortgage term might be pretty inflated due to the top 3 mortgage sales on namebio though. Who knows.

    mortgage.com 1,800,000 USD 2000-03-01 Private
    reversemortgages.com 600,000 USD 2013-08-07 Igloo / Uniregistry
    themortgage.com 500,000 USD 2000-05-01 Private

    But like I said, my Down/Mortgage . com just rose nearly $1k to $3551 in GD valuation a few days ago /shrug.

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    Also

    Like I said, it's a rare case for the AI to be wrong and MOST of the valuations are very close to accurate.

    Since you guys pointed out ExpiredDomains Closeouts, have a look at Expired Domains Expiring list where the Valuations column can go up to $10k. Order it by Valuation Descending and have a look.

    The ones at the top valuations are receiving the most bids.

    That can only mean either two things to me: 1. People are relying on the AI of valuation tools, and the AI system is accurate. or 2. these people are all stupid and wasting their money due to the high appraisal.

    To me of course, the higher chance is #1. All these people aren't that dumb to throw their money away. And experience in buying/selling domains has taught me that's also the case here.

    PS. the domains listed in GD closeouts tend to prove the inaccuracy of GD appraisal more often because these are the ones that people didn't want to buy in the Expiring Auctions, which could mean the appraisal is a bit off.


    Nice guide thanks

    I don't know if it's never going to be 100%. It's pretty close right now and with the huge RND budget of AI as of late, maybe very shortly we'll see near human level appraisal accuracy.

    The beauty in the beholder argument is true is some cases, but that's just a rare occasion. When working with statistics & numbers, the average high demand domain or keyword will always outperform the lower demand ones.

    Very great analysis thanks!
     
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  3. cixxy

    cixxy Established Member

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    I even went ahead and made it easy for you guys, have a look at the following and how many bids, traffic, and price on average they are receiving for the different GD valuation ranges $4000-10,000, $3000, and $2000.

    So this clearly tells us the higher the valuation , the more demand / traffic it will get, which equals to higher sale price. Unless of course, somehow after all that you still think all the valuation is gibberish and the people bidding are absolutely braindead.

    imgur.com/a/QgUI2rL
     
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  4. cixxy

    cixxy Established Member

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    I think it does that, but to a certain extent. If it realises that there are search volume for the 2 keywords you used, it will usually rise the appraised value. e.g.

    iloveyou.com
    [​IMG] Estimated Value: $22,066 (USD)



    Yes I pointed out at some point that I can say it's around 80-90% accurate for Keyword .com's only. Other extensions I'd say it can use a lotttt of work right now. Estibot maybe better for other extensions.

    Yes, agreed completely. Because there's still that 10-20% inaccuracy I think it's best to use your own judgment. Also the biggest weakness right now is with brandables.
     
  5. cixxy

    cixxy Established Member

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    Clearly not easy, they arent that close to $2k. But good try.
     
  6. briguy

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    The more data that these tools acquire..the more accurate the results!

    Wouldn't be surprised when "they" (Appraisal bots) have a "Sweet Spot" column.."This domain has a 80%+ chance of selling at XXXX.xx"

    or "Start negotiations at "XXX"...
     
  7. davidc1

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    sure, i ordered all founded 2k+
     
  8. cixxy

    cixxy Established Member

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    Yeah when it gets to that point, I think you can just rely on AI to buy domains for you and invest for you automatically. I think one day someone will come out with an algorithm that will even make great brandables that aren't taken in the .com and start registering all of them. Sad day when that comes.

    lol.
     
  9. wormfood

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    well yeah, there are already companies with millions of domains that use their own algorithms to pick them.

    I bet some people are already doing that.

    If you can appraise domains with some accuracy, then you can surely generate good domains. Most good domains have been reg'd before though, so unless you're trying to generate for future trends, you might as well just get a big list of all the deleted domains from the past few years and then sort them.

    If GoDaddy's appraisal tool was any good, they would be able to tell you decent names to buy (assuming there are any available..).
    They could get that huge deleted list, sort the domains with their appraisal algorithm, and show you the top available ones for whatever keyword or parameters you input.
    or if you give them a keyword for the domain to start with, they can append thousands of things to it and appraise all of those.
     
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  10. wormfood

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    but I doubt they care much about an appraisal value. just saying it's already kind of being done, isn't it..
    they seem to buy a lot of odd things that have nothing to do with historical sales.
     
  11. Andrew Knox

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    But but but I want an algorithm that I
    is owned by a for profit company to make decisions for me and always have my best interests at heart 😭
     
  12. .X.

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    It doesn't get that good unless you pay $$$$s to get you some of that ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
     
  13. Jv1999

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    i was reading this thread a little last night, and i was honestly in the camp: "appraisal BOTS LOL ARE U BAD AT DOMAINING? WHY USE DIS LEL."

    But @cixxy opened my eyes. It's always good to have an open mind about everything. Stagnancy is never good. The world is dynamic, and so is domaining.

    I realized that she's right -- most 2k$ valued names are reggae'd. I, did, reggae Affordabley/king the other week without thinking. I just noticed that "affordable" was a very nice keyword with many sails. So I tagged it with the reliable "ly" ending :tightlyclosedeyes:

    Got denied by bp tho (y). Still has an appraisal of 2k+.

    so for fun, while reading this thread, i tried to create a reggae that had 2k value... no luck thus far.

    Then it dawned on me that the appraisals are actually valuable insights into whether a domain will have a higher chance of sailing or not.

    I only have few sails, but most of the higher-value ones (and not the outbound) are valued by GD at near 2k (just checked). So I think there's weight in their valuation.

    I noticed that most ppl raging at this thread and the idea of trusting appraisal bots are only spouting general info. They're making wide-arced conclusions without any real data or experience backing up their claims. They've written paragraphs that boil down to: "I don't believe you, so there."

    OP was making an honest effort to showcase, with data and experience, and not just saying: "YOU SHOULD BELIEB IN APPRAISAL TOOLS GUYS!" So for the opposing members who simply bite back at her without actually TRYING what she's saying -- no one should give them any weight.

    That said, I also have significant sails that are valued below 1k or around that value. So I can't honestly say that my overall small sample of sails are 90% at 2k valuation... i think overall, the 2k valuation makes up only slightly more than 60% of my overall sails.

    Ty for this thread OP.
     
  14. cixxy

    cixxy Established Member

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    Finally someone who is honest. Glad to have helped.

    As you have confirmed by testing it, it's really hard to see an available keyword .com domain that is over $2k valuation. I have challenged my friends who are new to domain game and they can't find one either.

    There are rare cases that it screws up like in FoodMortgage, but I think it's a pretty rare case.

    What does this tell you?

    Simple - the basics of Supply & Demand. The good keyword combinations are usually taken and very hard to find at this stage and the appraisal bots prove that point. The more rare = easier to sell = more valuation.

    I had been recommended not to use Appraisal bots by too many people and deep down I knew there is a lot of value to be had by these tools, saves you a lot of time if you use it right.

    The only thing is that if you are trying to reg brandables, ignore the valuation right now as it's completely inaccurate. For example, I thought Sezia / com is really gold (good enough to win the auction on it at 160 usd), yet godaddy gives it only around 1k valuation, same value as some random word like gedgf / com
     
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  15. cixxy

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    Btw they probably didnt accept affordablely since the accurate spelling is Affordably.

    Also if you try to pronounce them, they sound the same, so it will fail the radio test.

    GD valuation likes it since ly + high value keyword is good, but it usually doesn't take into account how many syllables and radio test. So beware of that if you're going for brandables.

    On the contrary they are more likely to accept Affordly, only $1300 valuation, but passes the radio test.
     
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  16. davidc1

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    I can find and resell them cheap about 10 domains per day that are over $2k valuation.
     
  17. cixxy

    cixxy Established Member

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    Where are you selling them, and show us some examples?
     
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    playyt.com 2412
    breedchain.com 2120
    olegend.com 2393
    savethebanks.com 2349
    revolutionchain.com 2469
    onlinegroupe.com 2070
    walkfood.com 2123
    truckwruck.com 2142
    newsurfer.com 2054
    lifethy.com 2687
    bitcointricks.com 2088
     
  19. cixxy

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    some very good names there, I like Newsurfer a lot and oLegend.

    For sake of enlightenment, we can compare them to the names you posted earlier. The difference between 2k+ names and the lower ones are night and day to me.

    gorteam.com 1886
    eewindows.com 1874
    agoodroom.com 1779
    dynamicbi.com 1644
    offplaninvestor.com 1611
    fozaoxiang.com 1609
    kiafans.com 1598
    magnion.com 1589
    jeepche.com 1564
    siderasicav.com 1560
    hondaottawa.com 1559
    rizawang.com 1542
    motofilter.com 1541
    beopti.com 1536
    mulambo.com 1532
    dswcoupons.com 1525
    gejiayuan.com 1507
     
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  20. DnameAgame

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    Seems like you are spending alot of time trying to guess at what GD may automated appraise for over 2k?

    if all you want is GD names valued over 2K - closeouts will save you years of your life. hahahah. At least there you may find a diamond hidden in the mess of dropped names.

    Wait till you see all the names you will there for almost 3K sometime hahahahaha.

    GD close out auctions RIGHT NOW, here you go, but act fast you dont want to miss a 2K+ automated appraisal domain!


    echnologyoriented.com $2,569 $9 * Buy Now for $9 * 8H 8M
    beachtennis.org $2,539 $10 * Buy Now for $10 * 2H 58M
    metiriclub.com $2,466 $9 * Buy Now for $9 * 7H 2M
    everywherenrg.com $2,463 $9 * Buy Now for $9 * 3H 33M
    trainers.mobi $2,410 $11 * Buy Now for $11 * 3H 49M
    cartridgesdiscount.com $2,407 $5 * Buy Now for $5 * 8H 18M
    businessbreakers.com $2,407 $10 * Buy Now for $10 * 6H 37M
    firmtax.com $2,358 $10 * Buy Now for $10 * 6H 12M
    borsebank.com $2,324 $8 * Buy Now for $8 * 7H 45M
    emissionsscandal.com $2,259 $9 * Buy Now for $9 * 8H 5M
    lamps.tv $2,242 $5 * Buy Now for $5 * 5H 32M
    liftingconcrete.com $2,226 $11 * Buy Now for $11 * 7H 54M
    plc.mobi $2,205 $11 * Buy Now for $11 * 3H 40M
    procasas.com $2,204 $5 * Buy Now for $5 * 6H 51M
    regions.tv $2,183 $9 * Buy Now for $9 * 7H 50M
    handtexas.com $2,183 $11 * Buy Now for $11 * 3H 59M
    routeblaster.com $2,182 $5 * Buy Now for $5 * 7H 34M
    jefferson-city.com $2,173 $8 * Buy Now for $8 * 7H 2M
    derivativesbank.com $2,168 $5 * Buy Now for $5 * 3H 51M
    movementcomplex.com $2,144 $11 * Buy Now for $11 * 2H 51M
    qususu.com $2,137 $5 * Buy Now for $5 * 4H 3M
    poolsofpeace.com $2,129 $5 * Buy Now for $5 * 7H 37M
    threatcredit.com $2,123 $9 * Buy Now for $9 * 5H 39M
    ict.mobi $2,121 $11 * Buy Now for $11 * 3H 22M
    derivativebank.com $2,116 $5 * Buy Now for $5 * 7H 14M
    trueelites.com $2,114 $5 * Buy Now for $5 * 7H 16M
    vxltoken.com $2,112 $10 * Buy Now for $10 * 5H 27M
    wildraspberryketone.com $2,108 $10 * Buy Now for $10 * 4H 19M
    pullusa.com $2,089 $10 * Buy Now for $10 * 4H 38M
    rcalabro.com $2,089 $11 * Buy Now for $11 * 3H 28M
    availableway.com $2,088 $10 * Buy Now for $10 * 7H 3M
    greenmlc.com $2,083 $8 * Buy Now for $8 * 7H 43M
    footprintoil.com $2,081 $10 * Buy Now for $10 * 7H 17M
    reviewclub.org $2,075 $5 * Buy Now for $5 * 3H 58M
    microbialcloud.com $2,068 $5 * Buy Now for $5 * 4H 13M
    schoolboardgame.com $2,068 $11 * Buy Now for $11 * 2H 54M
    driversllc.com $2,064 $5 * Buy Now for $5 * 6H 8M
    chatlevels.com $2,050 $10 * Buy Now for $10 * 3H 36M
    cafeorganogold.com $2,046 $8 * Buy Now for $8 * 4H 47M
    visionaryhill.com $2,039 $10 * Buy Now for $10 * 3H 25M
    saltinbocca.com $2,038 $5 * Buy Now for $5 * 6H 5M
    celllovers.com $2,038 $11 * Buy Now for $11 * 3H 25M
    wwibank.com $2,034 $9 * Buy Now for $9 * 7H 15M
    myjobs24.com $2,027 $11 * Buy Now for $11 * 5H 48M
    dunyahaberleri.com $2,025 $11 * Buy Now for $11 * 4H 7M
    shipautonomous.com $2,020 $5 * Buy Now for $5 * 4H 47M
    intentwear.com $2,016 $9 * Buy Now for $9 * 3H 45M
    europeanshaman.com $2,014 $9 * Buy Now for $9 * 6H 10M
    getmyteacher.com $2,012 $8 * Buy Now for $8 * 3H 45M
    asiancells.com $2,011 $8 * Buy Now for $8 * 6H 59M
     
  21. cixxy

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    @DnameAgame I already said many times in this thread about GD closeouts. My point again is that it's taken and not one that you created, so stop being lazy and try to make your own haha.
     
  22. davidc1

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    It means that not any domainer (neither hugedomains) using godaddy auction (or closeout) wants these domains for a few $
     
  23. Jv1999

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    celllovers.com $2,038 $11 * Buy Now for $11 * 3H 25M

    this is good. it's like an anime meme. ^_^
     
  24. cixxy

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    I picked up some nice ones with it.

    Air / Renter, Phonesa, Cell / Social, Desktop/Wall to name a few.
     
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  25. Kate

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    You are confusing demand with speculation.
    As of today .com has 138,121,514 registrations. That is an enormous number.
    So obviously almost every combination is taken, plenty of long domains, multiple keywords, mix of digits & letters, lots of stuff that don't make sense.
    But how many of those domains have value and will ever sell ?

    On a side note, why should we even pay attention to automated appraisals whose algorithm is unknown. A black box telling you a number, but not how it derived the calculation and what criteria/factors were used for computing value. You can't reproduce the same results independently. Just blindly relying on a third party that is not even human.
    But what are the odds of a sale, I think that is a better question that what is the appraised value. Each source will provide vastly different estimates.
     

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