The LLLL.com sales and discussion thread

[italiandragon]

Hello, I think it would be pretty useful to keep track of all LLLL.com sales , even the little ones under $100 so that , pretty soon , when the available LLLL.com will be finished , we`ll have a better idea on market prices.

It is important that these sales are confirmed. So before to post, make sure payment went OK.

I will start with todays` Sedo confirmed sales:

FISE.com 2,700 Euros
TSRT.com US $760
VEUP.com US $1,700


Also, I found interesting to see this average LLLL, getting bids up to $51 and reserve not me. It says it all.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...110154111735_W0QQ_trksidZm37QQfromZR40QQfviZ1

 

[noy.com]

Got CV EZ.com at NJ for $69 )

Can't believe nobody competed for a name meaning easy CVs ))

Also got nitm.com for $220.

 

[SlimPickins]

great post, nombre, and i agree.... to be honest i would have not even answered an email offer to "buy" my family name .com even 5 years ago (funny, eh? now domains is about all i can think about!)... i guess my speculation as such is, regardless of whether a domain is triple/quad/cvcv etc, how much it's value amongst resellers and/or as a longterm hold shifts considering that there already is a pool of "possible" endusers for it (at least eventually)? Rather than waiting and hoping that some company with 4 words "gets it" about being short and memorable or a startup that simply wants something brandable to build their name on will eventually come along, what shift in value a domain might have when people have this letter combo as a surname rather than based solely on its acronym/brand potential.....

anyone sold llll surnames and, if so, were you contacted about it or did you contact a variety of people with that name and start a family feud ?

 

[noy.com]

Surnames are always good. Usually, if a surname exists, there are tens and hundreds of people with the name and eventually someone will want its .com

And it seems like there are lots of 4 letter surnames in existence. Also, for a random, especially pronounceable, LLLL there are more chances to be a surname than for 5L or 6L etc.

I have bought lately Elix, Glax, Hral (just few minutes ago) and all of them turned out to be a last name as well by coincidence. Elix is also a first name, btw. It just adds a new dimension to the value. I would not buy a name just 'cause it is a surname, but it definitely adds value.

E.g., Elix and Glax are bought by me for their brandability just in anything, HRal for hr related usage.

 

[Semtex]

here's a question: a different spin than the "what if" interest to (business) endusers is what about when the LLLL is also a surname or first name?

I have the name Aram (.)net and I get at least 2 inquiries a month on this name. I am getting some mediocre offers for it, but I am holding out for some reason. Hoping for a decent pay day, but haven't found the right enduser yet.

 

[mibworld]

It will be interesting to see what happens. These are surely the last batch of domains form the buyout.

617 LLLL.com domains are expected to drop on 18th January. This is around twelve times the average. Most are single or double premium with at least one of QXY or Z. I checked the creation dates of a small sample and all were 31st oct or 1st Nov 2007, i.e. during the last days of the buyout. 1,194 are due to drop over the next 5 days, including a modest 42 that will drop today. I'll be watching these drops very closely to see how quickly they are scooped up and if there are any stragglers. It may be that I'll be able to publish some lists of available LLLL.com domains over the next few days, even if just for a short time.

 

[Tim Schoon]

I have tried to buy my last name in .com, its pretty uncommon, but the owner doesnt want to sell.. not even for x,xxx. sucks :\

I have got some LLLL's that are last names aswell, but never had an inquiry on any of those.

 

[Soofi]

well thought about post Nombre, and a trumpet of agreement (not just a small sound). :lol:
repd+

a lot of this depends on how much people/businesses perceive themselves to be a part of the internet

i just checked clooney.com, i don't know who owns it but i'm damn sure that george clooney has enough money to make the owner an offer he can't refuse but he apparently isn't interested

there are a ton of businesses that provide local products and services that strictly need a domain as a business card .... nothing more ...they are going to put up whatever is simple and cheap

most of them will choose their domain name by thinking about it for about 15 minutes or less

the 4l,5l,6, name market is really aimed at a different audience
i.e. business/people that really value their internet presence and want something unique

"hot happy donuts" would be nuts to change their name to hhd.com unless they had a wad of cash to advertise it and if they are making money they won't give a hoot about owning hhd.com

those of us who are really interested in the internet have to remember that _most_ people don't have the slightest interest in how the net works:imho:

 

[ecalc]

... imagine double the current internet usage, or triple...

Mobile internet growth will push llll uptake but a few words of caution - nobody needs a llll - if ICANN deleted them tomorrow the world would still turn. Yes there is a finite supply of 456976, but they are subject to the price elasticity of demand - users have billions of sld.tld alternatives that become more tempting if llll prices rise. Billions of newcomers in developing nations who will access the web exclusively on handhelds may be strongly inclined to base their online enterprises on free social networks or pay no more than $X reg fee for a domain. Maybe domains will be tossed like last year's cellphone - reg a new $0.89 info every year! On the other hand 456976 is only .046% of a billion so they could be inhaled like dust. Who knows.

... i really see the value in the llll.com market as primarily an internet startup market ...

I agree at the high end. Below that, local small businesses don't have llll fever and web savvy startups aren't lining up either. Full of creativity and short on cash, they're proud to reg 'ratzzo' or 'freakio' for $8, screw the domain pimps. Startups don't have a legacy name that needs to be crunched to llll, so why buy a tongue twisting acronym? VC backed startups and later stage jackpot winners may splurge on blue chip names but those are rare birds while most llll's are unpronounceable acronyms waiting for four word partners.

... a long-term hold until the right guy comes along ...

Those words scream dead money at me but I'm paranoid. I agree with the common wisdom that pronounceables have good prospects. I like the ones that earn more than reg fee.

 

[lll]

I have tried to buy my last name in .com, its pretty uncommon, but the owner doesnt want to sell.. not even for x,xxx. sucks :\

I have got some LLLL's that are last names aswell, but never had an inquiry on any of those.

your last name is 4L's?
my gf is the same
mine is 6 but too popular smh only available in .asia lol no thanks imo
lmfao i just checked and hers is only available in .asia also :\

 

[accent]

..... I agree with the common wisdom that pronounceables have good prospects. .....

Problem is every domainer wants them, so they are bid up to nearly end-user prices.

 

[maxeaus]

here's a question: a different spin than the "what if" interest to (business) endusers is what about when the LLLL is also a surname or first name? Not as typical as smith, jones, williams etc, but a name nonetheless? I have at least 3 llll's that are names and wonder about any shift in value based on that..... again, not a common name (at least in the US) but certainly a name. I myself would LOVE to have my surname in .com.... but not sure that most people would unless they built their job around it. I haven't located any "high profile" people with these names (but I just recently realized that they were names at all!) but figured would get other opinions on it. Anyone else had luck with name/LLLL's by contacting people about the chance of securing their family name?

LLLL.com names, either first or last names have an inherent value that at a bare minimum makes them more valuable than a random LLLL.com IMO, but in the resale market this is not always noticable.

It of course depends on how popular the name is, i have a few first and last names that are not obscure, but certainly not common, if i noticed an email from the person inquiring about a domain had THAT name, i would of course try for a higher price, as the person enquiring would themselves be openly admitting they WANT that domain, more than the average Joe.

What i have seen with people wanting their family name is that they have an interest in genealogy and like to post family photos etc, first name buyers are more for vanity IMO, or other uses. I'm not sure which one is more valuable though, the family name, or a first name, maybe someone else has some figures on that.

I am yet to get any interest though on the ones i hold, but I'm sure eventually someone will be curious. I might actually contact one or two end users over the next few weeks and see if i get any interest, maybe that's the way to go?

I have tried in vein to buy my family name on three occasions over many years, although it's rare it's also an expensive LLL word, famous body spray and bloody brandable to boot, the fact a hedge fund investment bank owns it means i have 0% chance of acquiring from the blood suckers, LOL.

 

[TOXX]

what did you let drop? :P

Amongst some:
...
Ubqj.com
Xtjv.com
Uxpv.com
Xwpv.com
Vyzh.com
Rzgy.com
Sgqt.com
Udzw.com
...
Any worth crying over?

 

[italiandragon]

I read somewhere that he gave up domaining. He didn't even sell his domains and most of his domain just expired.

oh no!!

I spoke on the phone with him last in 2008...I got to find back his home number...hopefully I still have it and he has not changed. That`s sad.

 

[SlimPickins]

maxeaus- thanks for the input! you bring up some good points...... i own my surname in a few extensions, but the com is owned by tucows and they are so kind as to use it for free email accounts..... oh well.

i guess i was just surprised that a few of my LLLL's were indeed names and, although like you noone has come knocking about them for that reason yet, wondered how other domainers/resellers perceive any change in value based on that fact. I suppose then it would come down to how common it is/where etc, but figured would just throw it out there in case others have had success emailing people with that name about it or are holding onto them longterm primarily based on that aspect as opposed to a 4-word enduser.

 

[xman]

oh no!!

I spoke on the phone with him last in 2008...I got to find back his home number...hopefully I still have it and he has not changed. That`s sad.

If you browse through either LLLL or L-L-L thread you should be able to find somewhere that good quality LLLL or L-L-L expiring that owned by our friend Dr. Fabricio, if my memory serves me right. That was sad I agree since he was doing all the right thing when buying and selling.

 

[Nem0]

at NJ:

INVC $336
PLDC $240

 

[tetrapak]

It is still not possible to search for 4 letter domains at Namejet, what is going on? They don't reply to their ticket either.

 

[accent]

It is still not possible to search for 4 letter domains at Namejet, what is going on? They don't reply to their ticket either.

I did last night, no problem.

Monday is a holiday in the US, perhaps they are away for that.

 

[WORDSWORTH]

It is still not possible to search for 4 letter domains at Namejet, what is going on? They don't reply to their ticket either.

The advanced search isn't working for me either from the homepage. There's no search button. I did figure out another way:

1. Click on the 'Services' tab.
2. Where it says 'Tools & Features' on the right, click on 'See the full list'.
3. Where it says 'Search Names' on the right, click on 'Advanced Search'. This one has a search button and works normally for me.

Hope this helps.

 

[tetrapak]

Thanks a lot, leaving rep! It works, but I think NJ will be losing quite some money on this if they don't fix it quickly!