The Asian Domain Name Dispute Resolution Centre (ADNDRC)

[zdscn]

the Asian Domain Name Dispute Resolution Centre (ADNDRC) and the National Arbitration Forum (NAF) have been approved as independent dispute resolution providers for the Transfer Dispute Resolution Policy (TDRP).

More details at http://www.icann.org/announcements/announcement-08nov04.htm

 

[jberryhill]

Flippin wonderful. In other words, if your dispute involves a registrar which also provides hosting services within an IP block that is inaccessible behind the Chinese firewall, then you are screwed in trying to straighten out a transfer dispute.

I've been around this block with the ADNDRC in UDRP disputes, and they don't seem to understand that not all of their email gets where it is supposed to go.

 

[sharename]

ADNDRC appears to be a legit dispute provider. What is it are you saying they are not doing?

They are also expanding, recently adding the .pw cctld.

sharename

 

[Dave_Z]

Exactly what John said: not all of their email gets where it is supposed to go.

 

[jberryhill]

What is it are you saying they are not doing?

The ADNDRC is not doing anything wrong. Having had to deal with them on several occasions, I have discovered they do not realize that since they are in China, they cannot access the entire internet and not all of the email sent to them gets delivered and vice versa.

 

[primacomputer]

Are you sure it isn't your ISP who's doing the filtering? The ADNDRC mail exchanger is in Hong Kong, well outside any Chinese firewalls.

 

[Acroplex]

The Great Firewall of China :D

 

[Dave_Z]

The Great Firewall of China :D

Will David Copperfield consider crossing thru it? :hehe:

 

[QBert]

since when is there a jaint firewall in china?

 

[1rrr1]

Exactly what John said: not all of their email gets where it is supposed to go.

true

 

[jberryhill]

The ADNDRC mail exchanger is in Hong Kong, well outside any Chinese firewalls.

Not the Beijing office. I've seen email from ADNDRC which was cc'd to several addresses, and didn't make it to them all. With 20 day response deadlines and people not receiving email, these folks should have never been accredited as a dispute resolution provider for ICANN.

since when is there a jaint firewall in china?

This is a joke, right? I get the impression that some folks aren't too familiar with the internet.

http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/filtering/china/

 

[primacomputer]

Not the Beijing office.

You are wrong. The contact email address for the Beijing office is [email protected]. The mail exchanger for adndrc.org is pop3.adndrc.org. The IP address of pop3.adndrc.org is 203.193.92.138. APNIC has allocated 203.193.92.138 to UUNET Hong Kong Limited and is located in Hong Kong. All mail sent to the adndrc.org domain is delivered to this mail exchanger.

These are simple facts that can be verified by anyone. They contradict the following statement about ADNDRC:

"since they are in China, they cannot access the entire Internet and not all of the email sent to them gets delivered and vice versa"

Mail sent from adndrc.org could, in theory, come from anywhere. You can see the route in the mail headers. Why don't you have a check and post the IP addresses here? Then we can judge your claim based on facts rather than hearsay.

Try doing a google search for "china email filter". You won't find any results about oppressive communist regimes. You will find results about a lot of US mail servers that block email from many Asian countries.

 

[jberryhill]

Prima,

The difference between you and I is that I have dealt with the ADNDRC and their flaky email problems, and you haven't. That's not hearsay.

Do you see this:

http://dn.hkiac.org/cn/image/Decision for cgfns.com.cn.pdf

本案的投诉人是Commission on Graduates of Foreign Nursing Schools外国护士学校毕业
生委托（下称“CGFNS”），一家在美国宾西法尼亚州注册的机构，地址为3600
Market Street, Suite 400 Philadelphia, PA 19104 USA。投诉人指定美国宾西法尼亚州
Dann Dorfman Herrell & Skillman PC之John Berryhill为其授权代理人。

Now, you go show me where you have any first hand experience with them.

 

[primacomputer]

The difference between you and I is that I have dealt with the ADNDRC and their flaky email problems, and you haven't. That's not hearsay.

So you dealt with them. It was obviously a bad experience because you seem to like to slag them off at every opportunity. Dealing with them does not make you an expert on SMTP routing and mail filters any more than eating lunch makes you an expert chef.

I have never dealt with them, and have no grudge against them. What I have done is run mail servers in Asia for nearly a decade, and dealt with thousands of complaints like yours. In over 99% of the cases the problem was caused by spam filters at the foreign ISP.

Show me the route this mail took and where it disappeared into the Chinese firewall. Then I’ll believe you. Until then you’re just some guy with an implausible interpretation of a story and an axe to grind.

 

[jberryhill]

Show me the route this mail took and where it disappeared into the Chinese firewall. Then I’ll believe you. Until then you’re just some guy with an implausible interpretation of a story and an axe to grind.

I have dealt with ADNDRC in several matters.

I can't post the details since that would violate a client confidence. Suffice it to say that email from the beijing office which was cc'd to me in Philadelphia, and my client IN HONG KONG, would not make it to my client in Hong Kong. And, yes, EMAIL from the Beijing office comes from a server in Beijing, and not from their Hong Kong based web server.

Now, how I am supposed to show you the route that a piece of undelivered email took is a great question. How about you answering my question about what you see at www.falundafa.org from inside China?

 

[primacomputer]

The route the mail took is contained in the received headers. These headers are where one would look to see if the email originated at a server in Beijing. If you didn't use this, then what criteria did you use to determine the origin on the message was a server in Beijing or that it was blocked in China.

I bounce mail from many networks that fail to answer abuse complaints. As a result, I block many networks in China. I have set up spasm filters on many mail servers in Hong Kong. Wouldn't it be ironic if it was one of my own spam filters at fault?

I appreciate there are issues of confidentiality, but without evidence I don't see anything to support the theory that the message was blocked in China. How about the IP addresses for all the relays until the mail hit the US? This information is contained in every single email that ADNDRC sends to the US so I don't see how it would be an issue.