question Template of wipo dispute when transfer domain.

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Hi!

I often get domain trademark disputes from WIPO.

Perhaps the trademark right is owned by the complainant.

I would like to resolve this amicably.

By transferring the domain, the complainant does not have to pay 1000 usd.

What kind of email should I send to WIPO when I want to relinquish my domain?


for example......

Hi!

I want to transfer or deleted domain[******.com] by ICANN Rule 17.

Thanks
 
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I want to transfer or deleted domain[******.com] by ICANN Rule 17.

This is a great question.

First, when WIPO commences a dispute, they now include a form for the parties to use in the event they would like to use the Rule 17 voluntary transfer procedure.

A lot of domainers don't realize that (a) the name is locked and they cannot transfer the name, and (b) there is a procedure for keeping the proceeding in place while WIPO notifies the registrar to coordinate transfer with the complainant.

The other side has to agree, of course. Sometimes they will not agree because of any of the following reasons:

(1) they are unfamiliar with the process and don't trust you,

(2) they would like to get a decision anyway for purposes unrelated to simply getting the domain name,

(3) they want to make sure you don't have any other similar names.

So, you should address those potential objections in your email, by providing incentives.

For example, let's say that it was a bad name that was included in a portfolio purchase...

"Dear (Complainant's Attorney and Case Manager),

Having reviewed the Complaint, we would like to point out that the name was acquired in a portfolio purchase of unreviewed domain names. While we did not specifically intend to acquire this name [,were unaware of the alleged mark] and thus did not act in bad faith, we see no reason to prolong this proceeding, and would like to proceed to a consent transfer under Rule 17.

We respectfully request the Case Manager to confirm to the Complainant that, under Rule 17, the Proceeding will remain pending while the Center informs the registrar to transfer the domain name to the Complainant, and that upon conclusion of this matter the Complainant will receive a refund of fees in the amount of $1000.

To expedite this process, I have attached the executed WIPO form, which the Complainant's counsel may likewise execute and return to the Center. As transfer of the domain name is the complete relief available under the UDRP, consenting to the transfer will accomplish the objective here without any further delay. Alternatively, we will simply file a response requesting transfer of the domain name, and leaving no "dispute" to be decided.

Lastly, we confirm that, upon review of our other domain names, we have [found the following names which we would also like to transfer] / [found no other names identical or confusingly similar to the alleged mark].

Please feel free to contact me if you have any questions or concerns regarding the use of UDRP Rule 17 to conclude this matter."

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You can't simply assume that the other side is even aware of the procedure. However, the real hook is the $1000 refund. WIPO offers that. ADRForum does not. In all probability, they have already billed their client for the matter on either a flat fee or hours+expenses basis. If you are dealing with a small to mid-sized firm, then they are not going to go running off to their client to say, "Hey, we get $1k back." I would bet that in most cases of Rule 17 transfers at WIPO, the complainant's attorney pockets the refund and never tells the client about it, which is a huge incentive.

After you send that email, the WIPO case manager will send their form email explaining the process to the complainant's attorney, so they will know that you are not trying to pull some kind of trick and that this is a legit procedure.

If they refuse to agree for whatever reason, then go ahead and file a response stating that you offered to transfer the domain name under Rule 17 and the complainant's counsel refused, and thus the complainant's counsel is the only obstacle standing between their client and what their client ostensibly wants. That will sometimes get them off the fence, since it is their duty to get the client what the client wants. However, sometimes they do want a decision for ancillary purposes, such as bolstering the strength of a weak mark by obtaining a "decision" of some kind. However, it is up to the panel, in this situation, to decide whether to go through the full UDRP analysis or simply cash THEIR small check and say "there's no dispute, the parties agree to transfer the name" and be done with it.

Obviously, the proposed note above should be adjusted to the circumstances, and really won't help if you have ten typos of a well-known mark. But in situations where it is some mark you never heard of, and there is at least some plausibility to that, then typically the complainant is just after the name and will take the deal.
 
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This is a great question.

First, when WIPO commences a dispute, they now include a form for the parties to use in the event they would like to use the Rule 17 voluntary transfer procedure.

A lot of domainers don't realize that (a) the name is locked and they cannot transfer the name, and (b) there is a procedure for keeping the proceeding in place while WIPO notifies the registrar to coordinate transfer with the complainant.

The other side has to agree, of course. Sometimes they will not agree because of any of the following reasons:

(1) they are unfamiliar with the process and don't trust you,

(2) they would like to get a decision anyway for purposes unrelated to simply getting the domain name,

(3) they want to make sure you don't have any other similar names.

So, you should address those potential objections in your email, by providing incentives.

For example, let's say that it was a bad name that was included in a portfolio purchase...

"Dear (Complainant's Attorney and Case Manager),

Having reviewed the Complaint, we would like to point out that the name was acquired in a portfolio purchase of unreviewed domain names. While we did not specifically intend to acquire this name [,were unaware of the alleged mark] and thus did not act in bad faith, we see no reason to prolong this proceeding, and would like to proceed to a consent transfer under Rule 17.

We respectfully request the Case Manager to confirm to the Complainant that, under Rule 17, the Proceeding will remain pending while the Center informs the registrar to transfer the domain name to the Complainant, and that upon conclusion of this matter the Complainant will receive a refund of fees in the amount of $1000.

To expedite this process, I have attached the executed WIPO form, which the Complainant's counsel may likewise execute and return to the Center. As transfer of the domain name is the complete relief available under the UDRP, consenting to the transfer will accomplish the objective here without any further delay. Alternatively, we will simply file a response requesting transfer of the domain name, and leaving no "dispute" to be decided.

Lastly, we confirm that, upon review of our other domain names, we have [found the following names which we would also like to transfer] / [found no other names identical or confusingly similar to the alleged mark].

Please feel free to contact me if you have any questions or concerns regarding the use of UDRP Rule 17 to conclude this matter."

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You can't simply assume that the other side is even aware of the procedure. However, the real hook is the $1000 refund. WIPO offers that. ADRForum does not. In all probability, they have already billed their client for the matter on either a flat fee or hours+expenses basis. If you are dealing with a small to mid-sized firm, then they are not going to go running off to their client to say, "Hey, we get $1k back." I would bet that in most cases of Rule 17 transfers at WIPO, the complainant's attorney pockets the refund and never tells the client about it, which is a huge incentive.

After you send that email, the WIPO case manager will send their form email explaining the process to the complainant's attorney, so they will know that you are not trying to pull some kind of trick and that this is a legit procedure.

If they refuse to agree for whatever reason, then go ahead and file a response stating that you offered to transfer the domain name under Rule 17 and the complainant's counsel refused, and thus the complainant's counsel is the only obstacle standing between their client and what their client ostensibly wants. That will sometimes get them off the fence, since it is their duty to get the client what the client wants. However, sometimes they do want a decision for ancillary purposes, such as bolstering the strength of a weak mark by obtaining a "decision" of some kind. However, it is up to the panel, in this situation, to decide whether to go through the full UDRP analysis or simply cash THEIR small check and say "there's no dispute, the parties agree to transfer the name" and be done with it.

Obviously, the proposed note above should be adjusted to the circumstances, and really won't help if you have ten typos of a well-known mark. But in situations where it is some mark you never heard of, and there is at least some plausibility to that, then typically the complainant is just after the name and will take the deal.
Thanks

Who I send the email to is also important right?

I think it would be better to have WIPO mediate an amicable resolution than to email the other party's attorney or the complainant directly.

If that doesn't work, I think it would be best to email the complainant, not the attorney, telling them that there will be a refund of 1000 usd.
 
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I think it would be better to have WIPO mediate an amicable resolution

They don't do that, and they won't do that. The reason to copy them is, as I explained, (a) most attorneys don't understand the procedure and will assume you are attempting to pull some kind of trick, and (b) WIPO will send a form email explaining the process, so that the attorney will understand you are not attempting some kind of trick.

The WIPO case managers are not going to mediate your dispute, and they are not going to anything other than decide which of several form emails to send in response to anything you send them. The case managers are not paid to think or be creative. Anything requiring more than selecting which form email to send the parties is going to have to require a supervisor.

But, no, they do not provide any sort of mediation or settlement assistance. They just administer the procedure,.

I think it would be best to email the complainant, not the attorney,

Most of the time, you will not have the complainant's contact information, since the complainant's attorney, if they are thoughtful, includes either a general email address or their own address as the complainant contact information, in order to avoid giving out internal email addresses to cybersquatters.

If you go around the attorney, you will only annoy the person whom the complainant hired to deal with the process - i.e. the attorney. Most likely, if you do have good contact information, they will only forward the email to the attorney, because that's who they paid to deal with it. The complainant is even less likely to understand what you are talking about, and is not recognized by WIPO as having any authority to do anything in the case.

So, no, I do not agree with you, but you are certainly entitled to your own opinion.
 
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Here. After you send something along the lines of the email above to WIPO and to the Complainant's representative in the proceeding, WIPO will send this email:



-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: (XXX) D202[casenumber] <domain> Possible Settlement
From: Disputes, Domain <[email protected]>
To: [You and the Complainant's Representative]


Dear Parties,


Reference is made to the Respondent's attached email dated [date], of which the Center acknowledges receipt. In this regard, pursuant to the Rules, paragraph 17, a UDRP proceeding may be suspended to implement a settlement agreement between the Parties.

If the Parties wish to explore settlement options, the Complainant should submit a request for suspension by [30 days ahead]. The proceeding will then be suspended for 30 days. If no request for suspension is received, the proceeding will continue.

If the Parties agree to settle their dispute, they should return a completed Standard Settlement Form (a copy will be provided in the Notification of Suspension). In the event of a settlement, if an Administrative Panel has not yet been appointed, the Complainant will be entitled to a partial refund of its filing fee.

If the Parties are unable to reach a settlement, the Complainant should inform the Center to reinstitute the proceeding.


Sincerely,


[Name]

Legal Case Manager
_______________________________________________________________________________
WIPO Arbitration and Mediation Center
34, chemin des Colombettes, 1211 Geneva 20, Switzerland
T +41 22 338 82 47 F +41 22 740 37 00 E [email protected] W www.wipo.int/amc

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Okay? So the entire point of the exercise is to get the case manager to send that email explaining the process. Again, WIPO isn't going to do anything to help the parties reach a settlement. They will only explain the process.

But you want WIPO to send that email - which also includes mention of the refund - so the complainant's representative doesn't think you are making it up. Getting WIPO to send the email above is the point of copying them on it.
 
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