Rosie: Who Are The Terrorists?

[dgridley]

From Here:

“655,000 Iraqi civilians have died. Who are the terrorists?”
-Rosie O’Donnell from The View comparing U.S. activities with Islamic terrorism

If a U.S. politician stood up and said that he’d kill 100 Iraqis for every one U.S. soldier killed, he would be considered a moderate since the U.S. has killed on average over 500 Iraqis for every one Westerner killed by Al Qaeda.

Now this isn’t intended to get into a debate over motivation or reasons for engaging in these horrible killings. Everybody has reasons for the things they do and anybody can justify their actions (at least to themselves). But, objectively, it is more than obvious that Rosie O’Donnell statement was actually conservative and an underestimation.​

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[Zinc]

CrazyTech, you're missing valid points here and I'm not 'misinformed'

If I sat around watching FOX, CNN, ABC and the rest of the corporate controlled American media networks, I most certainly would be 'misinformed'

I get my news from the frontline news agencies, the ones which don't have a myriad of political filters in place, the ones which don't tell the so called journalists 'what to say' before they go on air, the ones which don't censor words and phrases like 'occupation' when reporting on the Israel conflict.

Any death is a tragedy, IMHO (And I'm a British citizen) America should keep their nose out of other countries business, resources and politics. I mean, how can you force 'Democracy' on Iraq? A people who have never had or experienced democracy in their entire political history? Ridiculous, and all those innocent civillians, soldiers, contractors killed in the name of what? Democracy? No, corporate profits.

The money that America has spent on overseas bases, overthrowing enemy governments, starting wars, paying corporate contracts and financing terrorism amounts to Trillions of dollars. Yes, you might not like hearing it but America finances terrorists and that includes Israel which is a terrorist state.

You guys need to get someone in office who has some political integrity, like Ron Paul. He sees the big picture, at the moment you've got the weak (Bush) leading the strong (America) and if it continues your country will crash socially and financially within ten years tops, Your country is increasing its national debt to the tune of 3 Billion dollars a day (a fiat currency backed by fresh air) but where is all this money going? Let's see, military, airforce, navy, select corporations with government contracts and paying off the interest on the loans you took out for 'other wars' around the world.

How would you feel if China invaded America and stomped all over your constitution? (what you have left of it) - Nah, didn't think you'd like the idea of that one.

 

[CrazyTech]

Well hey, I don't always buy into the conspiracy theories about other countries that I don't even reside in hook, line, and sinker. Anyways, no point in taking this thread further offtopic than it already is.

Back to Rosie.

 

[Zinc]

Apologies CT, I thought I was on topic, "Rosie: Who Are The Terrorists?"

I was merely voicing my opinion in relation to the thread title,

It's a shame that Rosie O'Donnell has been labeled a conspiracy theorist by the media for telling the truth, I guess it's a case of the famous Bush quote: 'If you're not with us your against us'

The object of the superior man is truth.
"Confucius"

 

[dgridley]

Terrorism is almost always relative..

I don't think it makes one any less of an American to question your government's policies.. otherwise there'd be no need to vote.. no liberty at all. Even God gave man the choice of Free Will in making decisions...

I generally don't agree with Rosie.. I find her brash and obnoxious.. but more and more we find even "average" Americans questioning the direction the country's taking.. and sometimes with good reason.

Apologies CT, I thought I was on topic, "Rosie: Who Are The Terrorists?"

I was merely voicing my opinion in relation to the thread title,

It's a shame that Rosie O'Donnell has been labeled a conspiracy theorist by the media for telling the truth, I guess it's a case of the famous Bush quote: 'If you're not with us your against us'

The object of the superior man is truth.
"Confucius"

 

[Zinc]

Terrorism is almost always relative..

I don't think it makes one any less of an American to question your government's policies..

Except that it's now considered 'unpatriotic' to do so, that's a American congressmans quote btw.

But more and more we find even "average" Americans questioning the direction the country's taking.. and sometimes with good reason.

Well said, I'm sure Rosie will put the publicity she's gained from voicing her opinions on TheView to good use.

 

[RogueWriter]

Except that it's now considered 'unpatriotic' to do so, that's a American congressmans quote btw.

I disagree with that, the vast, vast, vast majority of Americans love to argue and believe that you do not have to agree with the government in order to be patriotic.

However, the lefternmost political fringe of our citizenship likes to pretend that is the case, trying to stir up arguments where none exist.

As for your comment regarding, "You are with us or you are against us", that is also something the political left likes to bring up, as if it was a bad thing.

In reference to that comment, he was referring to the hijacking of planes and ramming them into buildings.


Either,

A) You think it is okay to hijack a country's planes and ram them into buildings, killing thousands of innocent men, women and children.

-or-

B) You do NOT think it is okay to hijack a country's planes and ram them into buildings, killing thousands of innocent men, women and children.

There's really no gray area there. You cannot just say, well, it's okay if they only kill Americans. I believe the implications were, if you think it is a-ok to kill Americans in that manner, well, we are going to have issues.

Once again, the left likes to politicize that comment and, rather than leaving that statement within it's point of reference, waves it around every other topic they can, attempting to mold his profile into something hateful, something they can point at and say to the world, "Isn't our President just awful? We are really sorry he is our President."

Mr. Bush has done many things that I disagree with. I do not like his stance on global warming, stem cell research, the budget, and I do not like his handling of the last phase of the Iraq war. However, he is not the worst President we have had, not by a long shot.

As for Rosie, lol, she's just doing her job, stirring up people. If you are talking about her, one way or another, then she has done her job and someone will hire her back.

I'm not going to get into the same old political debate that's been going on for years, just wanted to state that a few of the comments in this thread are inordinantly lop sided.

 

[Virgil]

In reference to that comment, he was referring to the hijacking of planes and ramming them into buildings.


Either,

A) You think it is okay to hijack a country's planes and ram them into buildings, killing thousands of innocent men, women and children.

-or-

B) You do NOT think it is okay to hijack a country's planes and ram them into buildings, killing thousands of innocent men, women and children.

There's really no gray area there. You cannot just say, well, it's okay if they only kill Americans. I believe the implications were, if you think it is a-ok to kill Americans in that manner, well, we are going to have issues.

I don't think anyone can disagree with that. The problem is... That has nothing to do with Iraq. The one blamed for that is still at large.

Iraq is a parallell occurrence, unrelated to 9/11.

Terrorists -> Still at large

 

[dgridley]

Yeah.. where's Osama?

I think if we'd put as much money and effort into the hunt for Osama Bin Laden, we'd have had him long ago.. instead of lost American lives in Iraq and a huge military spending deficit, maybe we could have just offered that $$ as a reward and been done with Osama at least.

I don't think anyone can disagree with that. The problem is... That has nothing to do with Iraq. The one blamed for that is still at large.

Iraq is a parallell occurrence, unrelated to 9/11.

Terrorists -> Still at large

 

[Zinc]

The American government were so eager to get Osama after 911 that they flew his entire family out of the United States to safety, odd isn't it?

"Stinks" is an understatement.

 

[Ixix]

Yes and your right. But again like I said what the level of The View is. The woman use the show like it was a politcal air time. For that magnitude of discussion should lie within another show and not on The View. Not a daytime talk show that equals to like Regis and Kelly.

Many times I have seen the woman get side tracked from the real topic at hand. And I do remember at times that Star Jones and Joy Behar where at each others eyes on certain discussions as well.

So it is apparent that the producers like cat fights out of the woman for ratings. That is apparent. Just unless The View producers want to gear the agenda of the show elsewhere.

Indeed I find myself discussing politics with other woman. But as a general rule(not always followed though). There is a time and a place for everything. And while discussing politics with other woman or other people, I do not do it to get noticed, ratings, brownie buttons, applause or greenies. I make a point and have to realize that others may have a different opinion and or see it a different way.

But on the view neither woman took the time to say, "We can agree to disagree". But made it into a drag out, drag down cat fight. And they both looked foolish and pushy.

And the magnitude of the discussion should not be on the show but a show geared more towards that level of discussion. Thats just my opinion.

So again it goes back to that such magnitude of political discussions should be done or geared more on a political/news show than on a daytime talk show.

you're absolutely right, women have no place discussing current events and politics on a daytime tv show. The only thing housewives should know is how to look sexy for that special guy, which celeb is boinking who, and how to turn paper napkins into elegant drapes for the living room..

I mean, come on...yeah yeah, our men and women are fighting and dying 1/2 way across the world in a war for god knows what for, but why should that get in the way of our morning lattes and entertainment?

How dare these women, get infront of a camera, talk about current events and ACTUALLY diagree with each other! I mean, that's unheard of on tv! Not only that but a few of them go against the mainstream talking points and have the nerve to blab their own opinion! Nobody wants to hear that! Where are we living anyway? A country that promotes free speech??? That right died on 9/11!


That's right let's leave the political discussion to Ken and Barbies of CNN and FOX...let's let them tell us what we need to know and how we need to think about it.

 

[lpstong]

you're absolutely right, women have no place discussing current events and politics on a daytime tv show. The only thing housewives should know is how to look sexy for that special guy, which celeb is boinking who, and how to turn paper napkins into elegant drapes for the living room..

I mean, come on...yeah yeah, our men and women are fighting and dying 1/2 way across the world in a war for god knows what for, but why should that get in the way of our morning lattes and entertainment?

How dare these women, get infront of a camera, talk about current events and ACTUALLY diagree with each other! I mean, that's unheard of on tv! Not only that but a few of them go against the mainstream talking points and have the nerve to blab their own opinion! Nobody wants to hear that! Where are we living anyway? A country that promotes free speech??? That right died on 9/11!


That's right let's leave the political discussion to Ken and Barbies of CNN and FOX...let's let them tell us what we need to know and how we need to think about it.

Pfft can I say How sexist you are. You are on another level of who knows what.

If you think about it. If woman raise men of great thinkers. Than who can you credit. Ok so you sooooooooooo neeed to pull in your sexist horns. For it has no relevance to this topic period.

If you know anything about history. Or should I state a few great woman names for you just in case you forgot.

1. Susan B. Anthony
2. Queen Elizabeth I and II
3. Margaret Thatcher
4. Every 1st Lady Behind a US president
5. Every mother of a US president
6. Cleopatra
7. Catherine The Great
8. Madeleine Albright
9. Shirley Temple Black
10. Hillary Rodham Clinton
11. Dianne Feinstein
12. Sophia Leung
13. Eva (Evita) Peron
14. Janet Reno
15. Condoleezza Rice
16. Mary Robinson
17. Lucille O'Ball
18. Rosie O'Donnell
19. Barbara Walters
20. and your own mother - or are you even going to discredit your mother who helped shaped your mind, thoughts, behaviors, ethics et cetera.

Your whole statement is oblvious to current thought of what a woman contributes to the media, politics, entertainment and birthing men like you. You need to rethink what you would like to say and how it contributes to the thread.

You are on another timeline(pre womans rights) and it is not on the current one.

Rosie in general in regards to her opinion, should not have been stated on THE VIEW. But maybe such programs that are aired on CNN, FOX and Air America, PBS(Chalie Rose, et cetera).

 

[Ixix]

Pfft can I say How sexist you are. You are on another level of who knows what.

If you think about it. If woman raise men of great thinkers. Than who can you credit. Ok so you sooooooooooo neeed to pull in your sexist horns. For it has no relevance to this topic period.

If you know anything about history. Or should I state a few great woman names for you just in case you forgot.

1. Susan B. Anthony
2. Queen Elizabeth I and II
3. Margaret Thatcher
4. Every 1st Lady Behind a US president
5. Every mother of a US president
6. Cleopatra
7. Catherine The Great
8. Madeleine Albright
9. Shirley Temple Black
10. Hillary Rodham Clinton
11. Dianne Feinstein
12. Sophia Leung
13. Eva (Evita) Peron
14. Janet Reno
15. Condoleezza Rice
16. Mary Robinson
17. Lucille O'Ball
18. Rosie O'Donnell
19. Barbara Walters
20. and your own mother - or are you even going to discredit your mother who helped shaped your mind, thoughts, behaviors, ethics et cetera.

Your whole statement is oblvious to current thought of what a woman contributes to the media, politics, entertainment and birthing men like you. You need to rethink what you would like to say and how it contributes to the thread.

You are on another timeline(pre womans rights) and it is not on the current one.

Rosie in general in regards to her opinion, should not have been stated on THE VIEW. But maybe such programs that are aired on CNN, FOX and Air America, PBS(Chalie Rose, et cetera).

somebody can't recognize sarcasm when they read it... :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: which explains alot, to be honest....

as for rosie's opinion on the view, ratings where hot....if they offended you, you couldav turned the channel.... for once it was nice to see a group of women, talking about important political topics on network tv...instead of the bubbly brain numbing drabble that exists out there today. Sheesh, anytime sexually explicive or violent programing comes on tv people shout, "if you don't like it turn the channel...." Well, in this case, if real life bothers you.....'turn the channel'

your assumption that i'm a man is absolutely hysterical, i'll be thinking of you 5 months from now when the contractions start.....

 

[Ixix]

Yeah.. where's Osama?

I think if we'd put as much money and effort into the hunt for Osama Bin Laden, we'd have had him long ago.. instead of lost American lives in Iraq and a huge military spending deficit, maybe we could have just offered that $$ as a reward and been done with Osama at least.

The Osama Show is on hiatus untill election season next year....a time when producers believe that the ratings will be hot, hot, hot.....

in the meantime, the star of the show is most likely sipping on a ginger ale in and resting in a classy resort near hollywood.... it's tough work, memorizing those lines, holding that microphone just right, the hours in that drab costume and make up, reshoot after reshoot.

But that's the price of stardome!