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A great member here, Z (you know who you are) pointed this out. Dot Pro is for End Users. He couldn't be more right.

The average Joe can't even Reg a .pro name. But what Copier company would turn down [email protected]?

Perhaps RegistryPro with all the extra domains getting registered will start advertising in business magazines. Once word gets out maybe we'll get some wildfire.
 
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Ben42 said:
But what Copier company would turn down [email protected]?

Pretty much every copier company on the planet. This is an extension with near zero credibility, good luck to anyone speculating in it, I'd rather own Lehman stock.
 
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snoop said:
Pretty much every copier company on the planet. This is an extension with near zero credibility, good luck to anyone speculating in it, I'd rather own Lehman stock.
What is this, I agree with snoop? Must be because the topic isn't mobi :lol:

I've got 1 .pro for my own business use, but wouldn't touch them for speculation. Still sorting out the rules TBH, will see if my business license is good enough 'credentials' for the registry.
 
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snoop said:
Pretty much every copier company on the planet. This is an extension with near zero credibility, good luck to anyone speculating in it, I'd rather own Lehman stock.


What the hell does credibility mean? Someone gets a website with a .pro extension, it looks great, it works on the internet. What's not to like?
 
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The point of .pro is that it strives to have more credibility than .com. You have to be a qualified professional and agree to professional use to own a .pro. Any Joe can register a .com and there are no registry repercussions for misuse.

I donยดt assume a .com site is genuine just because itยดs a .com. If I find a site and Iยดm thinking of joining it or using a credit card on it, I still plug the name into Google and see what other people have got to say about it whether itยดs a com or not.

I would agree that something like Escrow.com has more credibility as a domain than Escrow.pro because I would assume that if they can afford to retain or buy a domain worth $1m+, they are more likely to be trustworthy and legit than a site called CheapEscrow.com or BargainEscrow.com.

The thing is hardly anybody or any business can afford a domain like Escrow.com and Iยดm not convinced a 2 word .com confers any more credibility than a ccTLD or a striking single word domain in any alternative extension, for example Last.fm.

I canยดt see how somebody could possibly object to a domain name like Copier.pro. I donยดt think a copier manufacturer would want it, they would already have their brand like Xerox or Canon, but for a distribututor, importer or maintenance company itยดs a perfect domain name, it says what you want people to think about you, it incorporates the extension as part of the brand so you donยดt waste letters.

Check out copierpro.com.au for proof that real businesses want pro brands. Why wouldnยดt somebody chop off the .au and com part of that domain and save typing 6 characters?

If somebody said end users donยดt know about .pro, there are only 7,000-8,000 registered, itยดs difficult to register because of the restrictions, itยดs expensive to register, will never catch on etc etc, I would agree with them up to a point but I donยดt buy the argument that .pro isnยดt brandable, credible, or useful to business because it is and there are millions of developed sites that prove it. Type in "allinurl: pro.com" in Google and tell me why millions of sites wedge a pro before .com. The .com pretty much has to be there, the pro bit doesnยดt, itยดs added voluntarily to create a brand that talks to the customer. The beauty of .pro it is allows you to create a distinctive brand that conveys expertise to the customer but gets rid of 3 characters. With branding shorter is always better; Last.fm is better than Lastfm.com. Copier.pro is better than Copierpro.com.

The vast majority still think Copierpro.com is better than Copier.pro. Itยดs like Henry Ford saying you can have any color as long as its black, we laugh at that now but back then it made perfect sense. People are risk averse so they stick to convention like limpits.

I liken .com Vs alternative extensions to the move west in the US. .com is the east coast, alternatives are the west coast. Most people didnยดt move west initially, it appealed to people who didnยดt have any land in the east, itยดs the same with domains. People register .me and .pro because they donยดt have any .com land. And the truth is, things can grow just as well in the west, if not better, than they grow in the east. The domain extension parallel here is that alternatives often provide better goodness of fit and value for money. If enough people go west and cultivate their land, it wonยดt matter what the landed .com gentry in the east think.
 
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I'm curious if this site was called NamePro if they would be interested in Name.pro. LOL
 
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akcampbell said:
The point of .pro is that it strives to have more credibility than .com. You have to be a qualified professional and agree to professional use to own a .pro. Any Joe can register a .com and there are no registry repercussions for misuse.

I donยดt necessarily think a .com site is genuine just because itยดs a .com. If I find a site and Iยดm thinking of joining it or using a credit card on it, I still plug the name into Google and see what other people have got to say about it whether itยดs a com or not.

I would agree that something like Escrow.com has more credibility as a domain than Escrow.pro because I would assume that if they can afford to retain or buy a domain worth $1m+, they are more likely to be trustworthy and legit than a site called CheapEscrow.com or BargainEscrow.com.

The thing is hardly anybody or any business can afford a domain like Escrow.com and Iยดm not convinced a 2 word .com confers any more credibility than a ccTLD or a striking single word domain in any alternative extension, for example Last.fm.

I canยดt see what somebody could possibly object to about a domain name like Copier.pro. I donยดt think a copier manufacturer would want it, they would already have their brand like Xerox or Canon, but for a distribututor, importer or maintenance company itยดs a perfect domain name, it says what you want people to think about you, it incorporates the extension as part of the brand so you donยดt waste letters.

Check out copierpro.com.au for proof that real businesses want pro brands. Why wouldnยดt somebody chop off the .au and com part of that domain and save typing 6 characters?

If somebody said end users donยดt know about .pro, there are only 7,000-8,000 registered, itยดs difficult to register because of the restrictions, itยดs expensive to register, will never catch on etc etc, I would agree with them up to a point but I donยดt buy the argument that .pro isnยดt brandable, credible, or useful to business because it is and there are millions of developed sites that prove it. Type in "allinurl: pro.com" in Google and tell me why millions of sites wedge a pro before .com. The .com pretty much has to be there, the pro bit doesnยดt, itยดs added voluntarily to create a brand that talks to the customer. The beauty of .pro it is allows you to create a distinctive brand that conveys expertise to the customer but gets rid of 3 characters. With branding shorter is always better; Last.fm is better than Lastfm.com. Copier.pro is better than Copierpro.com.

The vast majority still think Copierpro.com is better than Copier.pro. Itยดs like Henry Ford saying you can have any color as long as its black, we laugh at that now but back then it made perfect sense. People are risk averse so why they stick to convention like limpits.

I liken .com Vs alternative extensions to the move west in the US. .com is the east coast, alternatives are the west coast. Most people didnยดt move west initially, it appealed to people who didnยดt have any land in the east, itยดs the same with domains. People register .me and .pro because they donยดt have any .com land. And the truth is, things can grow just as well in the west, if not better, than they grow in the east. The domain extension parallel here is alternatives often provide better goodness of fit and value for money. If enough people go west and cultivate their land, it wonยดt matter what the landed .com gentry in the east think.

Most cogent statement of .PRO's worth to date...
 
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akcampbell said:
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.............nd the truth is, things can grow just as well in the west, if not better, than they grow in the east. The domain extension parallel here is alternatives often provide better goodness of fit and value for money. If enough people go west and cultivate their land, it wonยดt matter what the landed .com gentry in the east think.

Having read such a nice article on .pro I was almost convinced that the future was for .pro, as not much land was left elsewhere. But later I realised that domainers tend to make money in the secondary market where general IT community (mostly end users) acquire their desired domains at the price determined by the demand of and supply for that particular type of domain. The issue is that hardly handful domainers know about .pro in spite of .pro being in the public domain for the past few years. If nothing dramatic happened then, why something should happen now?

PS. This is not an argument; this is only my concern.
 
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Well said akcampbell.

Domainer community will know about it when enough main stream registrars promote .PRO registrations like they did with .me and .mobi.

More registrars will come on board as soon as rules become clearer and registrypro would get its act together and market .PRO extension to potential registrars so the .PRO extension is where it needs to be, at the forefront where domains are registered and bought.
 
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InvisionTech said:
Domainer community will know about it when enough main stream registrars promote .PRO registrations like they did with .me and .mobi.

Very true. Network Solutions selling .pro was a shot in the arm. Half the battle is getting .pro in front of people. My guess is that Network Solutionยดs customer profile is more developer and enthusiast than volume PPC domainer because they charge more than most registrars. Thatยดs a good customer base to market .pro to.

Iยดd still like to see Godaddy offer .pro because alot of their customers are new to domaining and development and arguably that type of customer is less loyal to .com and more open minded about new extensions, they had a very visible .me marketing campaign which Iยดm sure contributed to the success of the launch.

.pro also needs a site like Last.fm to put it on the map. Most people know about .fm, they just choose not to register it because it works with a narrow range of music related keywords. .pro works with a very wide range of keywords so I think if people knew about it, they would be more likely to switch from .com or their ccTLD.

drjawed mentions the IT community. Itยดs critical that .pro revises its government approved professional registration criteria to include web designers and developers because ultimately they are the people can put .pro on the map. .pro should be about professional use, not professional qualifications. Web developers and designers often donยดt have professional qualifications in the piece of paper sense. Alot of other valid professions donยดt have government approval or formal qualifications and that will put alot of people off registering .pro.
 
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maybe .pro will be accepted the way they should be if ...restrictions r removed and prices reduced
 
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sky said:
What the hell does credibility mean? Someone gets a website with a .pro extension, it looks great, it works on the internet. What's not to like?

It looks great to you...and it isn't exactly a compelling argument to say it "works on the internet". To the rest of the world (outside of the domain community) it is just another junky fringe extension.
 
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snoop said:
It looks great to you...and it isn't exactly a compelling argument to say it "works on the internet". To the rest of the world (outside of the domain community) it is just another junky fringe extension.

he says with a .info auction promotion in his signature :rolleyes:
 
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namewaiter said:
he says with a .info auction promotion in his signature :rolleyes:

So what is your point?
 
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Ben42 said:
I'm curious if this site was called NamePro if they would be interested in Name.pro. LOL

Prozactly!

Pro has a big problem: If I'm a licensed professional at anything then I'm a professional at everything from the standpoint of their qualification rules. But if I'm an unlicensed professional at one thing, I'm not a professional at anything according to the same rules.

So screw that. Design by committee. Idiots. Bigots. .
 
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snoop said:
So what is your point?

The point is you are promoting a very average LLL.info and calling .pro a junky fringe extension. I have a big investment in .info and I think .pro is more brandable and less junky.
 
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akcampbell said:
The point is you are promoting a very average LLL.info and calling .pro a junky fringe extension.

What is wrong with that?

I think you are fooling yourself if you think .pro is a better extension than .info, look at the sales charts. Make no mistakes .info has been a lousy extension (I'm selling all the ones I own), but .pro is barely alive by comparison.
 
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snoop said:
What is wrong with that?

I think you are fooling yourself if you think .pro is a better extension than .info, look at the sales charts. Make no mistakes .info has been a lousy extension (I'm selling all the ones I own), but .pro is barely alive by comparison.
I think if registry.pro relaxes the 2nd-level registrations and keeps all the snooty stuff with an expanding list of 3rd-level categories and lowers the renewal price by $10-$20 and promotes the domain it's going to totally take off. Not so sure about info, but some of them are doing quite well, right?

But .pro does have the .pro thing going for it. It sounds professional. info sounds long and informative. Pro sounds refers to caliber and style of a person or services and has a lot more potential as the main name of a website than info ever could, so regardless of the past history of .pro, the potential remains viable and raw. But the registry has to get their heads out of their assess about 2nd level .PRO domains.
 
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sky said:
I think if registry.pro relaxes the 2nd-level registrations .....


they just DID relax the rules for second level registrations. significantly.
 
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snoop said:
What is wrong with that?

The usual complaint levelled against .info is that it is junky because there are so many 99 cent bargain bucket spammy .info domains registered.

snoop said:
I think you are fooling yourself if you think .pro is a better extension than .info, look at the sales charts. Make no mistakes .info has been a lousy extension (I'm selling all the ones I own), but .pro is barely alive by comparison.

.pro and .info are different, I wouldnยดt describe one as better than the other.

I paid $1,800 for Rates.pro and $10,000 for Rates.info. For this keyword, the .info is clearly stronger.

However, alot of my .pro domains wouldnยดt work as well in .info as they do in .pro. For example, Staff.pro, Talent.pro, Office.pro, Training.pro, Tutor.pro, Total.pro, and Play.pro fit .pro better than they do .info.

Going back to Copier.pro, if I had a company called Copier Inc, I would rather have Copier.pro as my company website than Copier.info. Copier.info implies the site provides information about photocopiers in general not that Copier is is the brand.

.info isnยดt brandable in the same way .pro is. End users would expect a site called Tiger.info to provide information on tigers whereas Tiger.pro could be a standalone brand that has nothing to do with big cats. For example, Tigerpro.co.uk is a golf software site, Tiger Pro is the companyยดs brand.

.pro domains arenยดt as well known or valuable as .info but they provide beautiful, distinctive, convincing online brands.
 
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