Portfolios - Who/What/Where?

[Noetic]

Hi,

Can someone point me to where I can post this question? (or, if I'm in the right place, disregard that question, lol).

A question on portfolio selling:

Like many of us, I have a decent portfolio of domains, nothing of premium value today, but in the years to come I'm banking. Anyway, I focus on select names relevent to a given product/service. I have about 600 or so, which has about 5 or 6 categories, and each category having a majority .com extension and, depending on the value of the domain name, an identical .biz, .us, .info, etc.

Ex: WiSTB.com, WiSTB.biz, WiSTB.info, WiSTB.net, WiSTB.us (wireless set-top boxes are next gen TV boxes for home entertainment, gaming, media... )

How and where do I go about listing a price for, say, 450 related domains, and, like the example above, list groups of domains for sale?

At the moment I list at Sedo and advertise at Afternic, but they are all listed individually.

Many thanks in advance

 

[AdoptableDomains]

Generally ebay is a lousy place to sell domains because of the listing fees. However, for a portfolio it may not be so bad. Also, you can always reference "other similar names available as a package" in your sedo, afternic, or other sales listing description space.

 

[Noetic]

Ditto on eBay. I'd rather stay away from time-sensitive boards and placement, but perhaps later when the domains I own mature in demand.

Gotcha on the description page for each of the domains (sedo, afternic, etc.). Having a 'discounted price' on bulk purchases (portfolios), ie, "Domain Portfolios for Sale" is something I thought would be available. Heck, unless I hear otherwise, I'll start the service myself

Thanks for the feedback. It's appreciated.

 

[patches]

Also, you can always reference "other similar names available as a package" in your sedo, afternic, or other sales listing description space.

I have seen this done with several domains but for the life of me I can't find anyway (on Sedo) to do this. Can you tell me how this is done? How can you edit your listing description space? Your help would be greatly appreciated.

 

[verbster]

In Sedo, sign in to your portfolio acct. Click on a domain name...you'll get the buyer's window...look top, left for edit description...add a note that says some thing like..."These domains are also available..." or whatever, and add your list...click out...then when someone clicks the domain, they will see what you added.

PM me for how to list what I'm calling "domain bundles" ( 2-100 domains) on a new, upcoming site.

 

[patches]

Thanks for the info. Verbster.
PM sent.

 

[Noetic]

In Sedo, sign in to your portfolio acct. Click on a domain name...you'll get the buyer's window...look top, left for edit description...add a note that says some thing like..."These domains are also available..." or whatever, and add your list...click out...then when someone clicks the domain, they will see what you added.

PM me for how to list what I'm calling "domain bundles" ( 2-100 domains) on a new, upcoming site.

Thanks for the info gang

So, it sounds like there isn't a domain site purely for portfolios? That's interesting. Are portfolio sales that infrequent, or... hmmmm

 

[jdrohn74]

I would love to create a domain portfolio site if there would be a decent demand for one..

 

[Noetic]

I would love to create a domain portfolio site if there would be a decent demand for one..

I hear ya. I've been thinking about it for awhile, actually. I'm r-e-a-l-l-y surprised these domain sites don't create a portfolio channel for this purpose. Not a huge undertaking at all. Same prinicipal as the single domain menu sales, but with multiple related/non-related domain sales, or clearance bargains, etc.

I'm the CMO w/ a software development company in Northern California, any portfolio holders interested in a jv? Is this an appropriate thought for this forum? I don't want to step over any rules.

 

[gazzip]

You could ask these guys if they are interested www.internetreit.com



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[patches]

Verbster's new site offers the opportunity to sell your portfolio's or "domain bundles". Very nice site although it's still a work in progress. Not completed yet but hopefully I'll be able to list my portfolio's soon. If you would like more information PM Verbster.

 

[Noetic]

Verbster's new site offers the opportunity to sell your portfolio's or "domain bundles". Very nice site although it's still a work in progress. Not completed yet but hopefully I'll be able to list my portfolio's soon. If you would like more information PM Verbster.

Thanks, Patches. I'll look out for it and PM him/her when I can.

 

[verbster]

Yeah, it's still not quite finished, but it will list and sell portfolios in the Domain Bundles section (as well as general domains, budget domains (under $100), hyphenated domains and Featured domains...currently called "Premium" but may have to change that, lol).

The Domain Bundles will be 2-100 (or more?) domains sold as a bundle....relating to a topic or random...all one extension or mixed...up to the sellers and their marketing strategies.

Currently does not have ppc parking, but that's in the future (could use some help with this).

For now, it still needs a few major and minor text additions, edits and functional changes to be ready. Will have a NamePros logo and graphics contest this week.

Although not quite ready, your comments would be appreciated....perhaps a few of you might want to help alpha/beta test it....let me know...PM me or use the Contact Us on the site.

 

[BigCharlie]

I have experience selling large groups of domains. Most people who are looking to sell "portfolios" like this are basically looking to sell their "mistakes". This desire usually hits when one realizes that these names need to be renewed, and are accompanied by the stubborn refusal to "take a loss" and move on. Luckily for me, I realized early on that I needed to develop a plan to unload my least favorite names and I pretty much accomplished my goal in about six months (went from almost 4,000 names to about 2,000).

You will need to get lucky, but if you continually run threads with your names you will get some interest if the names are decent. When someone is interested in a few names you can try to throw in a bunch more at a great price.

The reality is that most people looking to sell in bulk are looking to get bailed out on their mistakes. If the names were that great then they wouldn't be for sale. These portfolios usually have names with very little type-in traffic, little to no revenue, and they usually contain names that do not receive unsolicited offers by way of Whois.

Partial bailouts can be accomplished if you develop a plan and put in the time to get the names out there, but if your names don't make sense you will get prolonged periods of "The Silent Treatment". Make sure you let people know early on that these names get little traffic and don't have a lot of revenue or else you will spend most of your time starting of the negotiations with a negative concession.

 

[gazzip]

Looks like it is going to be a very good site Verbster

I just noticed that Buydomains also advertises that it may buy portfolios/domains.

http://buydomains.com/info/sell-your-domains.jsp

Has anyone here ever tried to sell to them before ? Their own domains look waaaay over priced for the most part IMO.


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[Jo]

If your looking to make your own domain name portfolio on your website, try this free script:

http://www.secondversion.com/domain-port/

I don't see a screen capture or demo there.

 

[Aggro]

Looking at the sedo listing, I doubt anyone would be interested in your "portfolio" of 450 domains.

Sticking 'IPTV' in front of every keyword you can think of doesn't cut it.

 

[Noetic]

Looking at the sedo listing, I doubt anyone would be interested in your "portfolio" of 450 domains.

Sticking 'IPTV' in front of every keyword you can think of doesn't cut it.

Well, I did say something to the effect of all feedback welcome, so, all feedback is welcome, lol.

As for my portfolio, there's a reason to the madness. Interested today? No, and even if they were I doubt I would sell any (iPTV related, that is). I've done my research. <new technology/service><keyword>.com (and in this case, .tv) will be major marketing channels. iPTV is about *watching* tv (and interacting) on television sets, with the delivery protocol being IP. Advertising will happen, like most things today and until <insert some futuristic date here>, via the Web. Channels, h/w, s/w, accessories, partnerships, news, and then there's the *new* iPTV related services which will require marketing/adoption; FollowMe, Home Surveillance, FriendFamilyFinder... these and many more already under heavy development specifically for iPTV.

Worldwide revenues, depending on the source, are expected to be between 10 and 55 billion by 2010. That means... (counting fingers to make sure the math is right), ummm, a ton of money in marketing and advertising.

I'm quite comfortable with my portfolio and research methodology, but thanks for your feedback, Aggro (constructive as it was). Is my portfolio a sure thing? No, of course not. It's a calculated risk, but a risk I bank on relative to my research.

I thought about approaching this site (www.iPTVDomains.com), who is selling their 500 + domains of iPTV<keyword>.com... but nah, I'll wait. Like a good wine, I'll let the value age awhile

Thanks for your feedback all. Like most things, life's an education. It's up to us to filter the good and bad

 

[BigCharlie]

One of the problems is that IPTV is really awkward. My guess is that if you told a stranger on the street that he could go home and type in IPTV.com and get one million dollars if he typed it correctly...well.....he'd still be broke when he came back and asked you to tell him again.

Call up one of your friends right now and ask him to try to type it in. If he doesn't already know about it then I bet he can't do it on the first shot.

 

[Noetic]

One of the problems is that IPTV is really awkward. My guess is that if you told a stranger on the street that he could go home and type in IPTV.com and get one million dollars if he typed it correctly...well.....he'd still be broke when he came back and asked you to tell him again.

Call up one of your friends right now and ask him to try to type it in. If he doesn't already know about it then I bet he can't do it on the first shot.

LOL, this is supposed to be a "Portfolios, Who/What/Where" thread, and I hope it returns to this topic soon - however, I'll indulge...

1) Current state: like all new things (note: iPTV has been around for some time, but it isn't till recently that large interest and recent deployment has commenced), no one is going to know what the gadget or service is until it receives exposure (aka, marketing?). Search news articles for iPTV and you'll see iPTV headlines galore - the headlines are all about business h/w, s/w, partnerships, legislation, deployment and testing. In short, it is largely still in business hands, NOT consumer hands. In many and most case, consumer marketing happens once a service/product is on the shelf or near launch.

2) Current awareness: Ask a business who's related to iPTV services and of course s/he'll know exactly what you're talking about. Ask a consumer and, well, 2 things here:

a) given the fact the service is in PRE-marketing stage, of course they won't know what you're talking about (exceptions in the USA: project Lightspeed, by AT&T [previously SBC], and FiOS, by Verizon - both are telecom and both are currently deploying new iPTV services but little-to-no marketing thus far - the telcos are laying the infrastructure before large scale marketing commences), and;

b) consumers who get polled about iPTV are getting surveyed incorrectly (this is already widely known). Survey companies are mistakingly calling iPTV "iTV" or "internet television," which is completely incorrect. iTV is ALL Web, while iPTV is all television set (but you will be able to watch iPTV via your PC, and any IP delivered media screen). It's not the fault of consumers, it's the contracted survey comapnies who are blowing it, lol. Though the polls about awareness ("Do you know what iPTV is?") is small, the most important piece of poll information is revealed, a good portion of television subscribers today are frustrated with cable and satellite services and would switch as long as the quality remains the same and the price points are equal to or less than.

These are nutshell explanations. Worldwide deployments are underway, with Asia, Europe, and the US in heavy deployment stage. Billions are being invested with EVERY media-related industry forming relationships and developing h/w and s/w to support what most experts call the "next biggest thing." Again, this is all pre-marketing and advertising. My guess, expect to see large scale advertising/marketing mid-2007 (USA). And, for those thinking this is only a telco thing, think again. Cable and satellite aren't openly writing about this, but they themselves are forming partnerships for serving iPTV (Telcos are positioned for Triple-Play services, while Cable are positioned for Quadruple Play services). TV, as we know it today, will be history within the decade, and the media industry knows it. Everyone is moving towards iPTV (it's all about interactivity and highly targetted advertising), some are more open about it than others because they rely on traditional TV revenue today and, as we all know, don't upset those balance sheets until you absolutely have to!

Worldwide expected revenue by 2010: 10 - 55 billion USD (the numbers are growing monthly) & iPTV is for consumer consumption: you better believe they'll be HEAVY marketing. Hands up those who know the most successful marketing medium? Yup, the world wide web; www.<iPTV name/service/etc>.com / .tv.

All that said, I'm very happy with this portfolio, but thanks for your thoughts

If you want additional information on this subject just let me know, else, can we return to the portfolio thread now?

Thanks in advance all.