ICANN Opens Comment Forum on .COOP and .MOBI...

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ICANN Opens Comment Forum on .COOP and .MOBI
Proposed Contract Changes to Allocate Single-Character Names

28 July 2008

ICANN is today opening a public comment forum on proposed amendments to Appendix 6 of the DotCoop and DotMobi Sponsored TLD Agreements.

On 29 May 2008, ICANN posted for public information two requests submitted by the DotCoop and DotMobi sTLDs through the Registry Services Evaluation Process. Both registries proposed allocation of single-character second-level domain names.

As provided for by existing consensus policy (http://www.icann.org/en/registries/rsep/rsep.html), ICANN has undertaken a preliminary determination to determine whether the proposals might raise significant security or stability, or competition issues. ICANN's determination is that the proposals submitted by DotCoop and DotMobi do not raise such issues in their respective sTLDs.

[Note that, from 13 June to 13 July 2008, ICANN conducted a public comment forum on a proposed single-character second-level domain names allocation framework (http://www.icann.org/en/registries/rsep/proposed-scsld-allocation-framework-13jun08.htm), which supported the allocation single-character second-level domain names in existing registries and reviewed various allocation methods.]

Both proposals require amendments to respective registry agreements. Therefore, a copy of the proposed DotCoop amendment is available here [PDF, 28K], and a copy of the proposed DotMOBI amendment is available here [PDF, 28K]. Both amendments provide for changes to Appendix 6, Schedule of Reserved Names. Comments on the proposed amendments submitted to coop-mobi-amendments at icann.org will be considered until 22 August 2008 23:59 UTC. Comments may be viewed at http://forum.icann.org/lists/coop-mobi-amendments/.

All documentation related to the DotCoop proposal is available at http://www.icann.org/en/registries/rsep/#2008005, while all documentation related to the DotMobi proposal is available at http://www.icann.org/en/registries/rsep/#2008006.

http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-28jul08-en.htm

 

[Keith]

Well, first, the previous rfp's had a 500 euro nonrefundable application fee. So 500 euros times the number of applicants (assuming they keep the same payment scheme -- and I doubt they will -- they'll increase it). What became of the previous rfp? I think they approved one. I wonder how many application fees they took with little to no response?

Also, per the previous mtld rfp contact, a vague section is entitled "initial award fee". Hmmm. It's a veiled money grab. Very little doubt.

36 characters at $500 each is hardly a money grab. Application fees are one thing but an auction will not take place. If it were about money the names would certainly be auctioned off but that's not the case!

 

[Alan Glennon]

Payment is an unclear proposition in their proposal (and in their example rfp contracts) and mtld does not deserve the benefit of the doubt. I am very much for the success of the extension, and think that given the current trackrecord of the extension, the best of the breed rfp applications for single character .mobis will still be quite poor. It's not time yet for single character .mobi. Mtld should use their RFP process for some of their premiums to show they know how to make the process work.

36 characters at $500 each is hardly a money grab. Application fees are one thing but an auction will not take place. If it were about money the names would certainly be auctioned off but that's not the case!

 

[wot]

36 characters at $500 each is hardly a money grab. Application fees are one thing but an auction will not take place. If it were about money the names would certainly be auctioned off but that's not the case!

You will be amazed at how many trademark applications with single letters as their logos will suddenly appear - a minimum of 36 X other factors.

For the record , I sold off all my .mobi cheaply, dropped quite a few and kept 6.

 

[scandiman]

Come on now jeffie, show us some solid actual proof of all your accusations.

Hawk, Jeff's just upset about this because he can no longer claim mTLD has abandoned the RFP. :lol:

 

[mjnels]

What is there to even comment on? Let mTLD horde or auction off the single letter domains just like every other decent .MOBI. I don't see any valid reason for making a distinction here between single letters and premium terms.

agree for the most part.. single letters are more rare tho so its an interesting situation.





but, psssst.... i secretly dont care... im in this .mobi thing for me. always have been.

 

[Stargazer]

This .Mobi debate is starting to get a little old :imho:

I mean at the end of the day... It's the market that will decide the future of .Mobi NOT the opinions of the domainers. In all honesty, has any TLD become an instant success in the first 2 years of its existence?

If this forum had been around back in 1985 i bet that the majority of us would have been very skeptic of the new .COM TLD! Two years later in 1987 there would still be very few domains registered and very few developed websites. The amount of advertisements for .com would be ZERO, the amount of .com sales in the second-hand market would be a fat ZERO!

Obviously this example is unfair for today’s reality, but still if anybody back in 1987 or even 1993 would have told you that regging generic one word .com or hundreds of LLL.coms would have made you a millionaire 10 years later you would think he/she was crazy!

But low and behold... 10 years later .com became a legendary success! Given another 10 years or so the same will be true for almost any new TLD...

After the initial TLDs we saw the birth of .info & .biz then in 2006 came .eu & .mobi and 2008 saw the birth of .asia .pro .tel

How successful will these TLDs become? Nobody really knows for sure. Almost everybody agrees that .eu is a flop today, but wait 5-10 years and .eu will graduate to a respected TLD that people and business will adopt and love :imho:

What about .Mobi?

It could become the future default standard for mobile devices or it might not. These things take time and domains should always be treated as long term investments, this is even truer when buying new untested TLDs like .mobi and .asia.

Diversify! Don’t put all your eggs in the same basket.

I own about 100+ .eu and 100+ .mobi I have also bought 300+ .asia in landrush auctions. Do i know for a fact that these TLDs will become a hit? No... Do i hope these TLDs will become successful? You Bet! But i see no point in bashing or over hyping any of these extensions.

So why all this petty .mobi bashing? The future will prove who is right, and somebody will have a big "I told you so" moment.

Jeff:

I have seen your anti .mobi rants for quite some time and have never bothered responding as i think these anti .whatever flame wars is a waste of time.

However you seem to be very positive toward the new .Tel TLD. Which is totally ok, I respect you view although i may not agree with it. I will not invest in .Tel, not with the understanding i have today. This could of course change in the future but my opinion is that .Tel is a very high risk investment as it stands today. But this is just my opinion, i might be wrong and you will prove to be right and you might make tons of money on your .Tel investment. That's great i will congratulate you and regret that i did not invest when i had the chance. This is life

But i will NOT attack you for your belief in .Tel nor will i post anti .Tel comments in every .Tel discussion. Why should i? After all it's you money and if your research tells you that .Tel is the best thing since .com then go for it! Don't listen to my negative comments!

I always welcome an open minded, intelligent and civilized debate where we can share our views and if we can’t reach an agreement we can at least agree that we don’t agree

In the final analysis... We are all domain investors, and investment is by definition a risk!

You always risk losing... It's the risk/reward ratio that determines what you do. But no matter what you do, you risk losing. Anyone who takes an initiative or pursues an opportunity is taking some sort of risk. It is said that some of the entrepreneurial spirit of America is due to the fact that every emigrant who left Europe was sufficiently a risk taker to leave Europe and set off for the unknown. The security minded genes stayed at home. This is why in my opinion... That America went to the Moon in 1969 and NOT Europe.

Nothing ventured, nothing gained. Sometimes in order to achieve something... a man or woman must "Live at risk" that is, to go beyond, taking a stand out beyond that which i could justify, explain, or for which i had a strategy or prescription. Courage, bravery, risk-taking are all ingredients of success inasmuch as the successful person wants to make something happen. Often something new!

Peace Love and Understanding

Stargazer


"If you're not making mistakes, you're not taking risks, and that means you're not going anywhere. The key is to make mistakes faster than the competition, so you have more changes to learn and win.”
John W. Holt, Jr.

You'll always miss 100% of the shots you don't take. ~Wayne Gretzky

Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly. ~Robert F. Kennedy

 

[DomainMayhem.com]

..omg, I forgot -

Thanks For Understanding!! :gl: :imho: _\|/_

LOL!!! You had me rofl.

 

[mjnels]

This .Mobi debate is starting to get a little old :imho:

I mean at the end of the day... It's the market that will decide the future of .Mobi NOT the opinions of the domainers. In all honesty, has any TLD become an instant success in the first 2 years of its existence?

If this forum had been around back in 1985 i bet that the majority of us would have been very skeptic of the new .COM TLD! Two years later in 1987 there would still be very few domains registered and very few developed websites. The amount of advertisements for .com would be ZERO, the amount of .com sales in the second-hand market would be a fat ZERO!

Obviously this example is unfair for today’s reality, but still if anybody back in 1987 or even 1993 would have told you that regging generic one word .com or hundreds of LLL.coms would have made you a millionaire 10 years later you would think he/she was crazy!

But low and behold... 10 years later .com became a legendary success! Given another 10 years or so the same will be true for almost any new TLD...

After the initial TLDs we saw the birth of .info & .biz then in 2006 came .eu & .mobi and 2008 saw the birth of .asia .pro .tel

How successful will these TLDs become? Nobody really knows for sure. Almost everybody agrees that .eu is a flop today, but wait 5-10 years and .eu will graduate to a respected TLD that people and business will adopt and love :imho:

What about .Mobi?

It could become the future default standard for mobile devices or it might not. These things take time and domains should always be treated as long term investments, this is even truer when buying new untested TLDs like .mobi and .asia.

Diversify! Don’t put all your eggs in the same basket.

I own about 100+ .eu and 100+ .mobi I have also bought 300+ .asia in landrush auctions. Do i know for a fact that these TLDs will become a hit? No... Do i hope these TLDs will become successful? You Bet! But i see no point in bashing or over hyping any of these extensions.

So why all this petty .mobi bashing? The future will prove who is right, and somebody will have a big "I told you so" moment.

Jeff:

I have seen your anti .mobi rants for quite some time and have never bothered responding as i think these anti .whatever flame wars is a waste of time.

However you seem to be very positive toward the new .Tel TLD. Which is totally ok, I respect you view although i may not agree with it. I will not invest in .Tel, not with the understanding i have today. This could of course change in the future but my opinion is that .Tel is a very high risk investment as it stands today. But this is just my opinion, i might be wrong and you will prove to be right and you might make tons of money on your .Tel investment. That's great i will congratulate you and regret that i did not invest when i had the chance. This is life

But i will NOT attack you for your belief in .Tel nor will i post anti .Tel comments in every .Tel discussion. Why should i? After all it's you money and if your research tells you that .Tel is the best thing since .com then go for it! Don't listen to my negative comments!

I always welcome an open minded, intelligent and civilized debate where we can share our views and if we can’t reach an agreement we can at least agree that we don’t agree

In the final analysis... We are all domain investors, and investment is by definition a risk!

You always risk losing... It's the risk/reward ratio that determines what you do. But no matter what you do, you risk losing. Anyone who takes an initiative or pursues an opportunity is taking some sort of risk. It is said that some of the entrepreneurial spirit of America is due to the fact that every emigrant who left Europe was sufficiently a risk taker to leave Europe and set off for the unknown. The security minded genes stayed at home. This is why in my opinion... That America went to the Moon in 1969 and NOT Europe.

Nothing ventured, nothing gained. Sometimes in order to achieve something... a man or woman must "Live at risk" that is, to go beyond, taking a stand out beyond that which i could justify, explain, or for which i had a strategy or prescription. Courage, bravery, risk-taking are all ingredients of success inasmuch as the successful person wants to make something happen. Often something new!

Peace Love and Understanding

Stargazer


"If you're not making mistakes, you're not taking risks, and that means you're not going anywhere. The key is to make mistakes faster than the competition, so you have more changes to learn and win.”
John W. Holt, Jr.

You'll always miss 100% of the shots you don't take. ~Wayne Gretzky

Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly. ~Robert F. Kennedy

now thats what im talking about.

Forums need more people like Peter here... great post!

 

[Jeff]

And now, everyone is starting to see it for themselves, what it is - accusations, but no proof to them!!

Clearly now everyone can see the FACTS for themselves ... by simply visiting the previously noted and abandoned RFP News.mobi :o
How much greed money did mTLD make in that auction!?!

Can mTLD be trusted ... given what happened with News.mobi?? IYHO's. :red:
Tick. Tock.

-Jeff

 

[quality]

Clearly now everyone can see the FACTS for themselves ... by simply visiting the previously noted and abandoned RFP News.mobi :o
How much greed money did mTLD make in that auction!?!


Can mTLD be trusted ... given what happened with News.mobi?? IYHO's. :red:
Tick. Tock.

-Jeff

Jeff is right .mobi cannot be trusted the extension is not trusted. It a just a useless extension designed purely to make cash out of domainers.

 

[Keith]

Can mTLD be trusted ... given what happened with News.mobi?? IYHO's. :red:-Jeff

Yes. Mtld is attempting to do something that has never been done before. By this I mean implementing standards of which mobi needs to conform to.

Taking on a task this large will naturally produce problems. Just because these "problems" are not fixed according to your time table Jeff, does not mean that mtld abandoned the RFP process! Can you say with a 100% gaurantee that you know mtld is not working on these issues as we speak?

 

[Jeff]

Just because these "problems" are not fixed according to your time table Jeff ...

"Problems" is an understatement, IMHO ... and the mandated SIX MONTHS development and coding compliancy requirements are not my time table, friend (that time table was specifically and contractually prescribed by mTLD)! :gl:
This is another FACT.

Again, can mTLD be trusted ... given these myriad of problems and lingering questions and concerns, and given what happened with News.mobi (and, literally, dozens of other previously auctioned domains names)?? IYHO's.

-Jeff

 

[Keith]

"Problems" is an understatement, IMHO ... and the mandated SIX MONTHS development and coding compliancy requirements are not my time table, friend (that time table was specifically and contractually prescribed by mTLD)! :gl:
This is another FACT.

Again, can mTLD be trusted ... given these myriad of problems and lingering questions and concerns, and given what happened with News.mobi (and, literally, dozens of other previously auctioned domains names)?? IYHO's.

-Jeff

Sure there was an initial time table. However, an undertaking of this nature can produce unforeseen issues. It takes time to work out the kinks in new ventures like this.

Again, how do you know mtld is not currently working to fix the problem? Just asking because I don't have any insider info and maybe you do.

What is on the surface, in most cases, is not what lies beneath!

 

[NewWorldArk]

How much greed money did mTLD make in that auction!?!

So basically Jeff, your a non-profit domainer.

 

[hawkeye]

Clearly now everyone can see the FACTS for themselves ... by simply visiting the previously noted and abandoned RFP News.mobi :o
How much greed money did mTLD make in that auction!?!

Can mTLD be trusted ... given what happened with News.mobi?? IYHO's. :red:
Tick. Tock.

-Jeff

Just more of your 'fluff' accusations. And STILL NO RESPONSE from you to provide 'actual proof' to you your 'false fluff accusations'!!! Of course it is easier to spread lies and false statements than having to prove them, as you so well show!! I guess the 'tick tock' is really for you and your senseless and baseless false accusations! If you can't prove them, why should anyone still listen to them! HA!!

Jeff is right .mobi cannot be trusted the extension is not trusted. It a just a useless extension designed purely to make cash out of domainers.

and if one knows about 'useless' cash grabbing, it's those in 'sub domaining'!

So basically Jeff, your a non-profit domainer.

..do you ever see him discussing making profits on domains. NO. He just critiques extensions, and those that invest in them.


....forgot again...

Thanks For Understanding!

 

[Keith]

..do you ever see him discussing making profits on domains. NO. He just critiques extensions, and those that invest in them.

Sometimes those who critique or knock down extensions are the
same people loading up behind the scenes :imho:

 

[Jeff]

Sure there was an initial time table.

Who said anything ... about an "initial" time table?!? :o
More excuses for a failed extension and registry, IMHO.

If you can't prove them, why should anyone still listen to them!

What happened to News.mobi and the other dozens of previously auctioned (including those that were abandoned in the RFP process) "dot Mobey" domain names, as has been stated repeatedly and that you choose to conveniently continue to ignore, is FACT! :gl:
R.I.P.

-Jeff

 

[scandiman]

Jeff is right .mobi cannot be trusted the extension is not trusted. It a just a useless extension designed purely to make cash out of domainers.

Unlike that altruistic group at web.com :lol:

 

[mjnels]

So basically Jeff, your a non-profit domainer.

yea, and personally.. im domaining to fulfill some community service hours.

but even after thats all done... i do it "for the environment."


havnt any of you ever heard the saying "every time you make a profit with domains, God kills a kitten" ?

 

[hawkeye]

Who said anything ... about an "initial" time table?!? :o
More excuses for a failed extension and registry, IMHO.



What happened to News.mobi and the other dozens of previously auctioned (including those that were abandoned in the RFP process) "dot Mobey" domain names, as has been stated repeatedly and that you choose to conveniently continue to ignore, is FACT! :gl:
R.I.P.

-Jeff

Don't know, why not ask mtld or the owners. Still, this does not answer or offer any proof to your false accusations. Obviously because you don't have any proof to show, just the same ole RFP crapola whining, which does nothing to prove your false accusations and untruths you spread here, but refuse to substantiate! HAHAHAHA got nothing do you?!!!!?

Well you keep spreading lies and untruths, because it's becoming more and more obvious to all here, that is all you are doing!! No proof, just lies!!!! Keep showing everyone here your true self!

Wait... I hear your song -

"Lies, lies, li..es!!" :music:



Wait for it.....





Thanks For Understanding!