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Hello frens,

I AM LAMBO of LAMBO.com and I will defend, defeat and humiliate those endeavouring to steal any of my domain name brands - including my moniker.

We have stood by in meek positioning watching poor decisions, one after another, rendered typically by "SOLE PANELISTS" - albeit with exceptions and inconsistency.

Digital assets stripped from legal holders and registrants who immediately (apparently), default to defensive posturing against Reverse Domain Name Hijackers (RDNH).

The injustice propagated against domain investors, speculators and BUILDERS - will not continue as it has.

In my case, a car company called "Automobili Lamborghini S.p.A." is attempting THEFT of my asset, nomenclature and taxonomy they possess ZERO rights to.

https://www.udrpsearch.com/wipo/d2022-1570

Counter measures to humiliate such endeavours are afoot. Unlawful theft will be duly punished through legal and commensurate counter efforts including any coerced and submissive accomplices.

Humiliation is inevitable should they desire METAWAR, even as the car company, NISSAN, found out with NISSAN.com
https://web.archive.org/web/20200131113518/https://www.nissan.com/

This is enough for now, I will continue to update as necessary.

In the meanwhile, you can add me on lichess (@lamboDOTcom).

We will save our industry from the filth that seeks to dismember it's legitimacy.

Thank you for time and God Bless. May the VRIL be with you.

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Ugh, what "exceptional circumstances"? This should be an easy one for any panelist carrying two or more neurons imo...
 
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Ugh, what "exceptional circumstances"? This should be an easy one for any panelist carrying two or more neurons imo...
Maybe a tornado is approaching. :ROFL:
 
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For people who like to point to the asking price as "bad faith" this UDRP just confirmed what I have said for years -
If you have the rights to own a domain, you can ask whatever price you want.

https://domaingang.com/domain-law/handyguy-com-wins-udrp-with-reverse-domain-name-hijacking-finding/

In the face of these facts, if Complainant wanted this domain name, it should have bought it. Indeed, it tried to buy it, but rejected Respondent’s $10,000 offer as exorbitant. Whether that price is too high or not, it is Respondent’s prerogative to set the price for a domain name in which it has rights. Complainant’s resort to the UDRP is a classic “Plan B” UDRP that reflects bad faith abuse of the UDRP by Complainant.
 
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I have collected a list of interesting UDRP cases over the years which provide beneficial rulings for domain name registrants. I will write an article at some point highlighting some of them.

Brad
 
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I have collected a list of interesting UDRP cases over the years which provide beneficial rulings for domain name registrants. I will write an article at some point highlighting some of them.

Brad
I have this question please. Once a domain owner wins a UDRP complaints filed against him, can another business file a UDRP against him or the earlier ruling binding on all other complaints that might arise in the future?

Say @lambo.com wins this suit against Lamborghini, can any other company also file a suit on the same domain again?
 
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I have this question please. Once a domain owner wins a UDRP complaints filed against him, can another business file a UDRP against him or the earlier ruling binding on all other complaints that might arise in the future?

Say @lambo.com wins this suit against Lamborghini, can any other company also file a suit on the same domain again?

You are not immune from other parties filing a UDRP for the same domain, in fact there have been some cases were the same party filed another UDRP for the same domain.

Something generally has to change materially for a panel to entertain a second dispute.

There needs to be an initial bar to clear to even make it to a panel. There also needs to be some penalties for filing egregious disputes. IMO.

Brad
 
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Dear Parties,



Please note that the Decision due date in the above-referenced case has been extended due to exceptional circumstances to July 28, 2022.



Sincerely,



Santiago H. for Patrick K.
Legal Case Manager
In spite of no particulars as to the exceptional circumstances that extended the due date two weeks to July 28, 2022, this day has concluded in Europe with no Decision or communication.
 
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In spite of no particulars as to the exceptional circumstances that extended the due date two weeks to July 28, 2022, this day has concluded in Europe with no Decision or communication.
That in itself is a very exceptional fact.
 
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In spite of no particulars as to the exceptional circumstances that extended the due date two weeks to July 28, 2022, this day has concluded in Europe with no Decision or communication.
WTF. They better be looking at the RDNH part.

The actual dispute part is nonsense.

Brad
 
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In spite of no particulars as to the exceptional circumstances that extended the due date two weeks to July 28, 2022, this day has concluded in Europe with no Decision or communication.

Can they just do that without a notification @bmugford ?
 
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Can they just do that without a notification @bmugford ?
I guess so. It is not something I have really seen before.

Then again, they should have rejected the additional filing made by Lamborghini after the dispute.

You make your case, the other party responds.
UDRP is not a back and forth process.

This is a clear cut case of a sense of entitlement dispute lacking actual bad faith.
It should be an easy and straightforward decision.

When you have delays like this, rightly or wrongly, it is easy to imagine something nefarious going on behind the scenes.

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I guess so. It is not something I have really seen before.

Then again, they should have rejected the additional filing made by Lamborghini after the dispute.

You make your case, the other party responds.
UDRP is not a back and forth process.

Brad

Thanks. Something tells me the final findings of the panel will get a fair amount of media coverage in the domain investment industry.

Good luck @lambo.com , I'm sure their decision will find it's way to your mailbox any day now!
 
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I guess so. It is not something I have really seen before.

It's absolutely normal. Take a look at three member panel cases, and notice how rarely they are turned around within the specified two weeks. Three member panels routinely grant themselves extensions for getting the decision back to WIPO. It is simply the mechanics of getting three otherwise busy professionals to arrange their schedules to discuss a case, draft a decision, circulate and mark up the draft, and then return it to WIPO. They always claim "exceptional circumstances" and never state what those circumstances are. Utterly normal.

Incidentally, the fact that no decision has been communicated to the parties is not unusual either. The deadline they gave themselves is for them to send their draft decision to WIPO, and not for the decision to be sent to the parties. After the panel sends their draft decision to WIPO, it is typically proofread and formatted for notification and web publication before it is sent to the parties. Because of the current high caseload, sometimes WIPO will have the decision for quite a number of days before it is communicated to the parties. It is then put on the mailing list a day after that. If you subscribe to the WIPO decision mailing list, you'll frequently notice that in instances where the decision includes a date of the decision, then that date will have passed quite a while before the decision is published.

The extension notice is simply being misunderstood as to what the panel has said they would do by the 28th. They extended the time for them to get the decision to WIPO. The panel doesn't send the decision to the parties in a UDRP proceeding, and doesn't control the timing of that.

For example, if you look at reza.com:

https://www.wipo.int/amc/en/domains/decisions/pdf/2022/d2022-0945.pdf

The response due date was in April. The decision is dated June 28.

Concerning "they should have rejected the additional filing", again, it doesn't work that way. When a party files a supplement, it is forwarded to the panel. The panel will decide whether to consider it or not, but they don't make some sort of ruling on that decision in the course of the proceeding. The decision will eventually state whether they considered it or not. Most of the time, where the response has raised a substantive issue of some kind, then the panel will consider a supplement.

So, as far as the procedure is concerned, there's nothing unusual going on in this one.

In regard to the question and answer upthread about consulting with attorneys, to be clear, neither party to this dispute has ever contacted me concerning this dispute.

As far as the substance goes, this thread once again propagates a number of nonsense assumptions common in the domain community about trademarks. No, a trademark does not have to be registered to function as a mark. Unregistered marks work fine in a UDRP, provided adequate evidence of a mark is submitted. Likewise, trademarks do not need to be unique. There are multiple trademarks for lots of words, like "Delta" for an airline, faucets, tools, dental services, and a number of other things. In those sorts of circumstances, the complainant should provide some reason to believe that they were the intended target of the cybersquatting, but the mere fact of multiple concurrent TM users does not mean a UDRP cannot proceed. Put simply, everyone knows that "lambo" is a frequent and commonly used term to refer to Lamborghini. Spend a second with Google if you have any doubts about that.

A good example of this sort of thing is the nickname "McD's" for McDonalds. That was not a term they initially coined or used, but it was a term that consumers applied to the restaurant chain, and functionally it became a trademark long before McDonalds themselves started claiming it as one. The entire point of trademarks is about consumer association of a term with the origin of the goods and services. Domainers will remain hung up on irrelevant formalities, no matter how many times this sort of thing is pointed out.

On the respondent side, the case is pretty simple. It is my understanding that the respondent is a person whose surname is "Lambeth" and thus if the respondent has shown that they are commonly known by the nickname "Lambo" that should work fine, and render this to be a run of the mill case of that type. Shortened names, distinctive parts of corporate names, initials, and even nicknames have satisfied the "commonly known as" affirmative and complete defense under the Policy. (e.g. As stated in Penguin Books Limited V. The Katz Family And Anthony Katz, WIPO Case No. D2000-0204, held, in relation to Mr. Katz' nickname of "Penguin", “t is reasonable for someone to register a domain name based on a nickname […] and it follows that the Respondent had legitimate interests in that name.").

If, on the other hand, there has been some use of the domain name suggesting that the car company was intentionally targeted in some way, there is not an absolute right to use one's name - even if it is one's own name - for infringing purposes. For example, if your name is "Ford", you can't start a car company or use your name commercially for purposes relating to automobiles in a way that people might associate with the car company.

If this thread is any indication, then the only problem the response is likely to have is irrelevant peacock posturing over what seems to be a pretty simple case - a person named "Lambeth", whose nickname is "Lambo" registered his nickname as a domain name. That's not an unusual or remarkable situation. Likewise, it is not unusual or remarkable for Lamborghini not to be aware of those particular facts, and to proceed with a UDRP against a domain name corresponding to a nickname by which Lamborghini is commonly known among consumers. So, if those are the basic facts, then it should be a fairly simple case, but not an RDNH, provided the respondent did not shoot himself in the foot in some way through some historical misadventure.

For example, if we look at a 2017 capture of the page in question, it looked like this:

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Obviously, the PPC system believed that "Maserati", "Dodge" and the various Lamborghini links on the right side were relevant links to post, and domain registrants are normally held accountable for automated parking results even if they did not choose those links. The basic principle is that if it is your domain name, then you are responsible for what the name does.

Also, a panel could become suspicious of the registrant's motives in a "commonly known as" case where, yes, the domain name does correspond to the registrant's name or nickname, but the primary activity conducted by the registrant in relation to the domain name appears to be cashing in on the correspondence between their nickname and a well known mark.

So, the basic dynamic here is what is usually a solid defense - the respondent's apparently reasonable nickname based on his own surname - against the facts that (a) the domain name has been historically associated with automobile advertising including a direct competitor and (b) possible reasons to question the respondent's motivations, particularly if the response was as unduly combative and posturing as some of the commentary elsewhere.

It is likely, however, that the complainant did not pick up on the historical PPC targeting, which is a bonus for the defense side of the case.
 
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What a fool or silly cow as the case may be.Show attachment 220295

John Berryhill is one of the top IP attorneys in field.

I appreciate him taking the time to clarify some of the actual mechanics of the dispute process. He has probably handled as many domain disputes as anyone.

As far as the dispute itself, it still relies on tired old generic arguments, not any actual specific evidence of bad faith.

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Insightful, but I'm not so sure if the recent comment helps the case, as it was mentioned before that the disputed domain is pointing to this very thread. If the complainant didn't pick up things, they now will certainly do so.
 
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Insightful, but I'm not so sure if the recent comment helps the case, as it was mentioned before that the disputed domain is pointing to this very thread. If the complainant didn't pick up things, they now will certainly do so.
Yeah, while I do appreciate the mechanics when it comes to the UDRP process itself, I have to wonder if that part is really helpful (or appropriate) when it comes to a pending case.

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Insightful, but I'm not so sure if the recent comment helps the case, as it was mentioned before that the disputed domain is pointing to this very thread. If the complainant didn't pick up things, they now will certainly do so.
All is well. There is no need or obligation for any help in the case. All is organic including any degeneracy. Each can speak for themselves.
 
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Every once in a while you get poor UDRP decisions, even with (3) member panels.

For instance John Berryhill was on the losing side in the dispute of VisitQatar.com - https://www.udrpsearch.com/wipo/d2019-1758

If you read the decision, the panel (unfairly) went out of their way to favor the complainant at every instance.

There are comments from the panel like -

In reaching this conclusion, the Panel is of course aware that it has drawn a number of inferences adverse to the Respondent. It considers it is entitled to do so given the lack of veracity the Panel has concluded is present in the Respondent’s evidence (see above).

Luckily it was overturned in a real court -
https://domainnamewire.com/2021/04/02/court-overturns-visitqatar-com-udrp-decision

It was later settled after a lawsuit -
https://domainnamewire.com/2022/04/14/qatar-settles-dispute-with-visitqatar-com-owner

If you look at "Visit" followed by a GEO, UDRP decisions have been quite the mixed bag.
Some are transferred, some are denied. The reasoning is different in different cases.

It doesn't really make much sense.

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The complainant is targeting the COM TLD they are not interested in NET, ORG, IO, CO or XYZ. If you check them they are for sale, some work as redirect.
This is a case of where a big company say 'we want COM and we will do everything we can to take it for free' simple as that.
 
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He has probably handled as many domain disputes as anyone.


To be clear, since for obvious reasons it's not worth posting here very frequently, and there may be some who do not know me, I have handled over 150 UDRP's (including a few for complainants) at WIPO alone:

https://www.dndisputes.com/search?text=berryhill

You may conduct a search of RDNH cases here, using my last name in the search box at the top of the table, and quickly find that I have obtained more RDNH rulings on behalf of domain registrants against UDRP complainants than anyone on the planet:

https://www.rdnh.com/rdnh-panels/

I'm not a domainer, and don't compete in the same trade against my own clients, who have included many of the best known and successful domainers of all time.

I responded primarily to point out, on the basis of having done hundreds of these things over the years, what is "normal" or "not normal" as far as procedural steps are concerned - i.e. (a) that extensions in three-member panel proceedings are common, and (b) the panel is aiming to get the decision to WIPO, where there is often a further brief delay before the case manager notifies the parties of the final, formatted decision.

The remarkable thing here is that on the casually-available facts, this case looks like it could be a probable win for the domain registrant, as I noted above. If competent evidence was submitted of the use of the nickname, and its rough correspondence to the apparent registrant's surname, then it could be a relatively simple win. Oddly, our friend here seems to be upset by the observation that he has a likely win on his hands, based on what appears to be an obvious nickname based on what appears to be his surname. To call pointing out the an apparent meritorious defense "doxing" seems to be a pretty bizarre reaction.

However, if the respondent's approach to arguing the case at WIPO is at all similar to the approach to discussing the case in this forum, then it can happen that panelists will look for a reason to decide the case in a manner consistent with their impression of the behavior of the parties. Additionally, the other thing that could get in the way of a probable respondent win in this case is whether the complainant competently researched the historical targeting of the name to subjects directly relevant to their mark.
 
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It's absolutely normal. Take a look at three member panel cases, and notice how rarely they are turned around within the specified two weeks. Three member panels routinely grant themselves extensions for getting the decision back to WIPO. It is simply the mechanics of getting three otherwise busy professionals to arrange their schedules to discuss a case, draft a decision, circulate and mark up the draft, and then return it to WIPO. They always claim "exceptional circumstances" and never state what those circumstances are. Utterly normal.

Incidentally, the fact that no decision has been communicated to the parties is not unusual either. The deadline they gave themselves is for them to send their draft decision to WIPO, and not for the decision to be sent to the parties. After the panel sends their draft decision to WIPO, it is typically proofread and formatted for notification and web publication before it is sent to the parties. Because of the current high caseload, sometimes WIPO will have the decision for quite a number of days before it is communicated to the parties. It is then put on the mailing list a day after that. If you subscribe to the WIPO decision mailing list, you'll frequently notice that in instances where the decision includes a date of the decision, then that date will have passed quite a while before the decision is published.

The extension notice is simply being misunderstood as to what the panel has said they would do by the 28th. They extended the time for them to get the decision to WIPO. The panel doesn't send the decision to the parties in a UDRP proceeding, and doesn't control the timing of that.

For example, if you look at reza.com:

https://www.wipo.int/amc/en/domains/decisions/pdf/2022/d2022-0945.pdf

The response due date was in April. The decision is dated June 28.

Concerning "they should have rejected the additional filing", again, it doesn't work that way. When a party files a supplement, it is forwarded to the panel. The panel will decide whether to consider it or not, but they don't make some sort of ruling on that decision in the course of the proceeding. The decision will eventually state whether they considered it or not. Most of the time, where the response has raised a substantive issue of some kind, then the panel will consider a supplement.

So, as far as the procedure is concerned, there's nothing unusual going on in this one.

In regard to the question and answer upthread about consulting with attorneys, to be clear, neither party to this dispute has ever contacted me concerning this dispute.

As far as the substance goes, this thread once again propagates a number of nonsense assumptions common in the domain community about trademarks. No, a trademark does not have to be registered to function as a mark. Unregistered marks work fine in a UDRP, provided adequate evidence of a mark is submitted. Likewise, trademarks do not need to be unique. There are multiple trademarks for lots of words, like "Delta" for an airline, faucets, tools, dental services, and a number of other things. In those sorts of circumstances, the complainant should provide some reason to believe that they were the intended target of the cybersquatting, but the mere fact of multiple concurrent TM users does not mean a UDRP cannot proceed. Put simply, everyone knows that "lambo" is a frequent and commonly used term to refer to Lamborghini. Spend a second with Google if you have any doubts about that.

A good example of this sort of thing is the nickname "McD's" for McDonalds. That was not a term they initially coined or used, but it was a term that consumers applied to the restaurant chain, and functionally it became a trademark long before McDonalds themselves started claiming it as one. The entire point of trademarks is about consumer association of a term with the origin of the goods and services. Domainers will remain hung up on irrelevant formalities, no matter how many times this sort of thing is pointed out.

On the respondent side, the case is pretty simple. It is my understanding that the respondent is a person whose surname is "Lambeth" and thus if the respondent has shown that they are commonly known by the nickname "Lambo" that should work fine, and render this to be a run of the mill case of that type. Shortened names, distinctive parts of corporate names, initials, and even nicknames have satisfied the "commonly known as" affirmative and complete defense under the Policy. (e.g. As stated in Penguin Books Limited V. The Katz Family And Anthony Katz, WIPO Case No. D2000-0204, held, in relation to Mr. Katz' nickname of "Penguin", “t is reasonable for someone to register a domain name based on a nickname […] and it follows that the Respondent had legitimate interests in that name.").

If, on the other hand, there has been some use of the domain name suggesting that the car company was intentionally targeted in some way, there is not an absolute right to use one's name - even if it is one's own name - for infringing purposes. For example, if your name is "Ford", you can't start a car company or use your name commercially for purposes relating to automobiles in a way that people might associate with the car company.

If this thread is any indication, then the only problem the response is likely to have is irrelevant peacock posturing over what seems to be a pretty simple case - a person named "Lambeth", whose nickname is "Lambo" registered his nickname as a domain name. That's not an unusual or remarkable situation. Likewise, it is not unusual or remarkable for Lamborghini not to be aware of those particular facts, and to proceed with a UDRP against a domain name corresponding to a nickname by which Lamborghini is commonly known among consumers. So, if those are the basic facts, then it should be a fairly simple case, but not an RDNH, provided the respondent did not shoot himself in the foot in some way through some historical misadventure.

For example, if we look at a 2017 capture of the page in question, it looked like this:

Show attachment 220294


Obviously, the PPC system believed that "Maserati", "Dodge" and the various Lamborghini links on the right side were relevant links to post, and domain registrants are normally held accountable for automated parking results even if they did not choose those links. The basic principle is that if it is your domain name, then you are responsible for what the name does.

Also, a panel could become suspicious of the registrant's motives in a "commonly known as" case where, yes, the domain name does correspond to the registrant's name or nickname, but the primary activity conducted by the registrant in relation to the domain name appears to be cashing in on the correspondence between their nickname and a well known mark.

So, the basic dynamic here is what is usually a solid defense - the respondent's apparently reasonable nickname based on his own surname - against the facts that (a) the domain name has been historically associated with automobile advertising including a direct competitor and (b) possible reasons to question the respondent's motivations, particularly if the response was as unduly combative and posturing as some of the commentary elsewhere.

It is likely, however, that the complainant did not pick up on the historical PPC targeting, which is a bonus for the defense side of the case.
PPC targeting is done automatically and if that is a basis to steal domains, every domainer is at risk of losing many names. Most names were parked at some point or parked now and some have words in the domain that might be part of a TM and that part of the name might be causing the PPC algorithm to serve ads of a company with a TM. An example, someone owns BuyStaples.com and the PPC engine promotes office supplies shops, what does this prove?

Lamborghini is in my truthful opinion trying to rob this name. If he had DriveLamo, LamboAuto, it's a different story, but lambo by itself?
 
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For anyone questioning the credentials of @jberryhill, you must be joking or simply new to the industry.

His initial post here is a billable hour, probably $500 worth of knowledge, for free. Take it in!
 
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PPC targeting is done automatically and if that is a basis to steal domains, every domainer is at risk of losing many names.

Yes, that is correct. It is a real risk of automated parking systems.

You know, WIPO publishes an overview of common UDRP issues, based on accumulated cases, so I don't understand your use of the word "if". It's not as if this is some obscure principle. It is right in what constitutes the FAQ of the UDRP, which is used as a reference in deciding these cases:

https://www.wipo.int/amc/en/domains/search/overview3.0/#item35

3.5 Can third-party generated material “automatically” appearing on the website associated with a domain name form a basis for finding bad faith?​

Particularly with respect to “automatically” generated pay-per-click links, panels have held that a respondent cannot disclaim responsibility for content appearing on the website associated with its domain name (nor would such links ipso facto vest the respondent with rights or legitimate interests).

Neither the fact that such links are generated by a third party such as a registrar or auction platform (or their affiliate), nor the fact that the respondent itself may not have directly profited, would by itself prevent a finding of bad faith.

While a respondent cannot disclaim responsibility for links appearing on the website associated with its domain name, panels have found positive efforts by the respondent to avoid links which target the complainant’s mark (e.g., through “negative keywords”) to be a mitigating factor in assessing bad faith.

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As you will note at that link, WIPO provides a number of cases decided on that basic principle of UDRP disputes. It used to be that several of the parking companies provided targeting tools so that generic words could be hard-coded to maintain links relevant to the generic meaning of the keywords in the domain, for precisely this reason. Those sorts of tools have gone away because, frankly, the parking outfits merely seek to maximize their returns and no longer care if their customers lose their domain names.

Now, there are situations where panels have taken into account the relative strength and distinctiveness of the mark, or the prevalence of trademark-relevant PPC results.

For example in a dispute over "Tristan" which is a male first name and a relatively obscure mark for clothing, the panel found:

https://www.wipo.int/amc/en/domains/decisions/html/2007/d2007-1816.html

The Respondent has been using the Domain Name to link it to various parking pages featuring sponsored links through which the Respondent derives pay-per-click or referral income. If the sponsored links have a preponderance in any direction, it appears to be in the direction of the operas of Wagner and primarily, Tristan und Isolde. However, the spread of links is a wide one and not obviously fashion orientated, although for a time one of the many categories of links featured was a ‘clothing’ category.


Likewise in Outside.com:

https://www.wipo.int/amc/en/domains/decisions/html/2006/d2006-1275.html

Nor is the Panel persuaded that the presence of advertising links to alternative sources of OUTSIDE magazine subscriptions (among hundreds of unrelated links) implicates the Respondent’s knowledge of the Complainant’s marks and intent to confuse Internet users. The Respondent denies such knowledge and intent. There is no evidence in the record that casts doubt on the Respondent’s claim that the advertising links are served automatically by a third-party advertising feed provider using keyword search techniques rather than human selection. The automated advertising feed arrangements are such that it cannot be assumed that the Respondent requested such links or was even aware of them before receiving notice of this dispute. In the face of the Respondent’s denials and the automated nature of the advertising links, the Panel considers these particular links insufficient to prove the Respondent’s intent to mislead Internet users by means of the Domain Name itself.

In short, the Panel is unwilling to attribute bad faith to this search software. And it does not feel warranted in presuming bad faith on the part of a company using such software when the “keywords” it provides are merely dictionary words.


Those two cases, however, involved what is otherwise a non-distinctive male first name and a common dictionary word, so they were a little simpler.

This part of the discussion remains largely hypothetical, however, since we won't know until the decision issues whether the Complainant or the panel decided to make an issue of historical use of the domain name for PPC links relevant to the Complainant's mark.
 
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I think @jberryhill is just a hater because his domains suck, even though johnberryhill.com dates to 1999. Just imagine if he had the motivation and intelligence to buy some decent names along the way.

Cheap stuff.
i think berryhill is an excellent lawyer name, no favoritism. Sounds distinguished anyways. Thx for the advice btw on lambo.xyz, sold it for $750.
 
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