Did Russia threaten the U.S.A.?

[LeeRyder]

interesting stuff here...

WASHINGTON – A senior Russian embassy official is threatening to use force if necessary to prevent the U.S. from deploying combat weapons in space.

Vladimir Yermakov, senior counselor at the Russian embassy in Washington, said his country is urging the U.S. through diplomatic channels against any plans for space militarization. But he told a space conference Russia would have to react, possibly with force, if the U.S. successfully put a "combat weapon" in space.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=44363

Big Ball Boris..considering you dont have a military left.

 

[DN Tycoon]

Filth, goodjob spinning things around..the Irish Republican Army get's most of it's from the US? I don't think so they get most of their money from laundering operations through out the EU.

 

[ZuraX]

Without trying to sound smart, can you name anywhere peaceful?

Less people died under Saddam! Get that man in his pants back in power - at least he controlled the country. The US has destroyed it and will pay with 10's or 100's of billions of dollars over however many years. I'd put money on you still being there in 3 years time. Well deserved.

Now I know you are crazy. More people died when underwear man was in power.

 

[liam_d]

Now I know you are crazy. More people died when underwear man was in power.

He is not crazy he is saying what he thinks is right which i dont think is right since all those bodies they found when searching the country and all the people his little military has killed i think outweighs the war a bit.

 

[Peter]

Filth, goodjob spinning things around..the Irish Republican Army get's most of it's from the US? I don't think so they get most of their money from laundering operations through out the EU.

No if you do a bit of searching you will find that alot of their fund's come from the Irish communities in the US.

The other main ways they amass their money is through protection (business paying them to ensure they are never a target 1 such business that does this is McDonald's), drug smuggling and finally the training of other militant organisations on how to effectively go about their opporation.

Oh and tell me why people such as Gerry Adams up until this year have been so welcome in the US when it has been proven (albeit not in a court of law) that he aided and abetted murderers before he became a politician?

Also dont you care to comment on the rest of my post?

 

[Lyte]

Filth, I mentioned Northern Island as an example of things not being so shiny in your neck of the woods. So, let's not get too proud. As to where money came from, that's a whole 'nother topic which I'm sure can be debated in another thread.

As for the Faulkands.. you missed the point. The U.K. defends what it feels needs defending... as does the U.S.

I'm well aware of the "Lend Lease Act" for which Churchill and Brits were very grateful. Did the U.S. make money on it... hell yes! But, we weren't at war with Germany, you where. If the U.K. (Chamberlain) and France had stood up to Hitler from the start, there would have been no need for the Lend Lease Act.

As for the Russians and our space defense system... they won't do a thing.

 

[Peter]

I'm well aware of the "Lend Lease Act" for which Churchill and Brits were very grateful. Did the U.S. make money on it... hell yes! But, we weren't at war with Germany, you where. If the U.K. (Chamberlain) and France had stood up to Hitler from the start, there would have been no need for the Lend Lease Act.

As for the Russians and our space defense system... they won't do a thing.

So the fact that france and the UK were late in reacting gives the US the go ahead to profit out of the whole thing?

At least on your last sentence we can agree. Most diplomacy is done through fear. Most countries stockpile arms to show their power and to frighten the opponant to ensure they do not react, they ussually have absolutely no intention of using it, if they did they know they themselves would face an onslaught just as bad.


What I do not like in this thread is the fact that some of the American posters think the Americans are the be all and end all. Just because President Bush beleives something to be right does not mean it is right, I agree'd on the war with Iraq and still do even tho some of the reasons for the war have been disproven. I know the UK isn't perfect (but what country is) but some of the posters in this thread seem to think that the US can do no wrong and that everyone is against them.

People have become very scornful of the US over time because of the perceived attitude that they have been ommiting. The "we will go ahead with it regardless of what the rest of the world thinks" is very damaging to your nation. If only you would see it from a foreigners point of veiw. I have heard and met many Americans that are very surprised when they watch the news over here on how things are reported, The American news has alot to answer for it seems to make America look good to you regardless of wether something was right or wrong, here in the UK at least we are willing to question ourselves on what we are doing.

 

[DN Tycoon]

Filth, well if you actually do research you will find that the majority of the money comes from within the EU. The fact that some of the money comes from Irish communities in the US is true but this also goes for Canada and any other country that has a good sized Irish community. I highly doubt the coporation of Mcdonalds is paying the IRA any amount of money.

To comment on the rest of your post, I don;t know anything about the British/Argintina war over the Falkland isles so I have no opinion. As far as the Us entering the war after Japan attacked Pearl Harbour well like mentioned above the war did not involve us it involved Great Britain, France, Russia, Belgium, Italy, Japan and Germany and only when the bright ones over in Japan decided to "Wake the sleeping giant" by bringing the war onto our own soil did we take action. The fact that we entered WWI was something to be thankful for not to be poked at as the Us was the main reason Germany was defeated but all that was in the past. The fact that the US profited off the war was a bad thing? So only bad should come from war? It's like people saying the US has a hidden agenda going into Iraq which is oil....so what if they do have a hidden agenda..in politics there is always a hidden agenda with every country..you think a country is going to put forth efforts into a action/conflict/war without expecting something out of it? Here is a question for you...when the US dropped the big one on Japan and they surrendered who paid to rebuild Japan..when Germany bulldozed France who paid to help rebuild France...when the US invaded Iraq and over threw the regime who is paying to rebuild Iraq and help them build a new government....what country in the world spends the most money helping third world countries in Africa? What country helped the Afghanastan people push back the russians when they tried to take over? What country in the world do most of the people in the world move to..what country has the most mixed group of people from all over the world....all these questions have one answer the United States of America!

As far as the US only putting weapons into space because they want to show how great and powerful we are....the world already knows how great and pwoerful the US is..the fact is you snooze you lose and the US is never gonna be the one who snoozes that's part of why we are the #1 superpower in the world.

 

[Lyte]

So the fact that france and the UK were late in reacting gives the US the go ahead to profit out of the whole thing?

I know there's a lot of resentment in the U.K. regarding this particular issue (Lend/Lease Act) and time in history. That resentment is unfair and the so called "profit" is exaggerated.

I'm sure the U.K. would have loved if we just gave y'all what you needed but let's have a reality and history check. Our laws of the time wouldn't even allow us to SELL you the items... nevermind giving them away... so we came up with this bogus Lend/Lease crap. Did you really think we expected to get the stuff back?! Come on! :blink: So, give a little credit where credit's due. And whether we sold... lent... or gave you all that equipment, we were still taking the chance that Germany would start targeting us, which they did even before Pearl Harbor or December 11th.

The purpose of my original post was NOT to bash Brits or the U.K. It was simply to remind certain NP'ers that their nation's history was also less than perfect.

 

[Peter]

Filth, well if you actually do research you will find that the majority of the money comes from within the EU. The fact that some of the money comes from Irish communities in the US is true but this also goes for Canada and any other country that has a good sized Irish community. I highly doubt the coporation of Mcdonalds is paying the IRA any amount of money.

It is amazing what a company will do to protect it's assets.

As far as the US only putting weapons into space because they want to show how great and powerful we are....the world already knows how great and pwoerful the US is..the fact is you snooze you lose and the US is never gonna be the one who snoozes that's part of why we are the #1 superpower in the world.

In all honesty I hope this was a joke as this comment proves my point better than I could on how the US perceives themselves to be "so great and wonderful". This is the most egotistical thing I have heard in a long time

 

[DN Tycoon]

The truth hurts i guess..to maybe clear things up when I talk about the US notice I don't put down other countries...I have no problems with the UK or any other country...the fact that the US is the #1 superpower in the world is just that a FACT. If Russia and India have weapons in space and the US does not I would say the Us has made a huge mistake but like I said the Us won;t let that happen they will be up there with every other country that decides to do so.

Also you mentioned the space race again the only reason the USA persisted in this was to make sure THEY BEAT THE USSR nothing to do with exploration it was a pr excersize to show how great and powerful the USA was. The USA were ready to drop the project but saw how close the USSR was so continued.

This is the kinda comments/statements made by US bashers....when your enemy moves you move...simple and direct...the fact that the US tried to be the first involved alot more than what you mentioned...politics being the front runner....

To further squash the idea that I think the USA is the best thing in the world and the other countriues are shiat...I am an American and I am proud to be one and always will be...if there is something wrong with backing your country and showing your pride then I am dead wrong...IMO most people bash the US because of the same reason they bash Microsoft because they are #1...there is always someone out there pointing out all the faults of the US and never mentioning their own countries faults...perhaps because the US is in the news being active across the globe. The US like all countries is far from being perfect and like other countries they make mistakes and do bad things here and there...but when it all boils down and if you were to make a list of the top 10 countries the US would be at the #1 spot....if you disagree let me know what country you think would be at the #1 spot....no other country in the world is as active as the US....the US is great and powerful...that is my opinion...

 

[Peter]

you talk about the fact that the US having the most weapons as being a good thing? well let me tell you right now this quite simply is not the case. The way countries such as China are growing they will very shortly be the world's super power the US will not always hold this mantle, as has happened to many countries (including the US), you will be over taken.

I have no problem with who is conceived as being top I also have no problem with the US in general. What I do have a problem is as has been shown by several people in this thread is that alot of people in the US seem to think that the US do no wrong, if this does not include you all good and well. I like the US I would love to visit some time so do not confuse me with someone who is bashing the US for being number 1 (and on that matter I also own a valid license of windows XP pro which I beleive to be an excellent product).

Regarding the space race yes there were other factors I was just naming the major 1. What got me was that someone was suggesting that exploration was the major contributor, in actual fact this probably didn't have any bearing on the US govenments decision to go ahead with the project, in all honesty I do not beleive it was even on their mind.

 

[ZuraX]

you talk about the fact that the US having the most weapons as being a good thing? well let me tell you right now this quite simply is not the case. The way countries such as China are growing they will very shortly be the world's super power the US will not always hold this mantle, as has happened to many countries (including the US), you will be over taken.

ahh yes a country that surpresses their citizens will be a super power.. NOT! Until they give all chinese FREEDOM and stop all the spam and cheating coming from their they will never be a super power.

 

[Peter]

ahh yes a country that surpresses their citizens will be a super power.. NOT! Until they give all chinese FREEDOM and stop all the spam and cheating coming from their they will never be a super power.

What has any of that got to do with being a super power, the USSR was a super power was it not yet they surpressed their citizens, and they didn't exactly have their freedom?

 

[primacomputer]

another unspoilt wilderness? whats the otherone you refer too?

Bush has demonstrated a strong commitment to preserving the wilderness. He has already signed legislation that will allow us to remove billions of barrels of toxic petrochemicals that lie beneath the unspoilt Alaskan wilderness that threaten the region with ecological disaster (if they are ever pumped to the surface by some idiot)

well, im not normally one to "vouch" for a news source ..but for WorldNetDaily... I entirely vouch for them 100%. They've made outrageous claims in the past and have always been proven right/correct in their assertions.

Personally I prefer The Onion. More pictures, and more accurate.

Lee remember people in the UK are not allowed to own a gun so they think others that are allowed are gun happy.

A very common misconception. Simply because they don't hang them on a gun rack in the back of a pickup and go out drinking doesn't mean they aren't there. Many people in the UK own guns, although nothing like the number in the states.

I doubt this article is legit, Russia doesn't have a leg to stand on and China has enough problems on their homefront.

Considering that Russia and China are the only countries who have managed to put someone into space in the last year I'd say they don't need a leg to stand on and can sit on their thumbs until the US once again becomes a space faring nation.

 

[Lyte]

I think we should define what a "Super Power" is in today's world. That term was coined decades ago when the USSR and the U.S.A were the only two countries with nukes and/or the biggest military. That's no longer the case.

So, if it's about military might, China is already a Super Power.

 

[ZuraX]

What has any of that got to do with being a super power, the USSR was a super power was it not yet they surpressed their citizens, and they didn't exactly have their freedom?

And where is it now?

 

[Peter]

Yes it is no longer a super power but the comment I was answering stated that China could'nt be a super power because they supress their citizens, I was just pointing out USSR also supressed its citizens but that was still a super power.

Don't think just because the USA doesn't supress it's citizens like the communist nations that it will stay a super power forever as this is certainly not the case.

 

[DN Tycoon]

Your right nothing lasts forever...including the Earth we all live in but the US will be around for a looooooong time...anything is possible as w eknow it..the US could be in top for 1000 years and it could fall out of that spot in the next 10 years only time will tell....I can firmly say that the US will not be conquered at least not in my lifetime one of the things that makes the US what it is now is the fact we are bordered by Canada and Mexico both which are passive countries not know for their military abilities....IMO the next big world war will be started by China....I don't trust that country it's just too quiet...I know they have alot of problems over there but I think they are up to no good somehow some way....

 

[ZuraX]

Yeah either China, North korea, or Iran....

 

[Peter]

war isnt the only thing that can stop a country being a super power. And anyway in todays climate a country doesnt exactly have to border it for there to be a good chance of a war.

If a country comes into economical problems this could also cause the downturn.