.co .CO - The Discussion, Showcase and Sales Report Thread

[TOXX]

Well, it seems like Colombia will be releasing .CO to the internet market:
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http://www.mincomunicaciones.gov.co...ge=./mods/contenido/noticia_user_view&id=1043
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This could truly be a big competitor to .COM (especially being a "typo").
I would say with proper guidance .CO could REALLY have a bright future!
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Let me know your thoughts please.

 

[jmcc]

oh my god

so 1.3 million domains in .co is speculative and gambling against the casino , but the 100 million crappy names in .com is business and professional domaining ...:hehe:

With .co, you are playing poker with the court cards and aces taken out of the deck and only available to the casino. With .com, you are playing with the the full deck.

Regards...jmcc

 

[surprise]

With .co, you are playing poker with the court cards and aces taken out of the deck and only available to the casino. With .com, you are playing with the the full deck.

Regards...jmcc

haha

 

[jmcc]

As mentioned above, business.co sold for 80K to a Czech citizen. I am not sure he has any plans for the domain. But forget about flipping the domain for a profit.

There's something rather odd about the high value keyword sales in what is effectively a non-core TLD.

Regards...jmcc

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haha

Well to use that great quote from the movie 'Rounders': "Listen, here's the thing. If you can't spot the sucker in the first half hour at the table, then you are the sucker."

Regards...jmcc

 

[Kate]

I didn't say 100% of the 1.3M .co are strictly speculative, just like .com is not 100% speculative either.
But .com is established, .co isn't (outside Colombia of course, but the local market is still very much using .com.co). You don't need to convince anybody of the value of .com, but when it comes to .co you still have to explain it's not a typo.
There can be no comparison between the two in terms of end user adoption. It's not a credible alternative.
It's not like all TLDs offer the same opportunities.

Of course, the .co investors want to keep the hope alive and will point at every reported sale like a proof .co has momentum.
But a number of sales here and there does not mean there is a market.

 

[surprise]

I didn't say 100% of the 1.3M .co are strictly speculative, just like .com is not 100% speculative either.
But .com is established, .co isn't (outside Colombia of course, but the local market is still very much using .com.co). You don't need to convince anybody of the value of .com, but when it comes to .co you still have to explain it's not a typo.
There can be no comparison between the two in terms of end user adoption. It's not a credible alternative.
It's not like all TLDs offer the same opportunities.

Of course, the .co investors want to keep the hope alive and will point at every reported sale like a proof .co has momentum.
But a number of sales here and there does not mean there is a market.

Totally agree , no comparison whats so ever , but as i pointed earlier same goes to .com domains and domainers in regards to the speculative part , the full deck was registered 10 years ago , you know and i know that most of these .com domains are worthless , anyway i registered the only .co i have , it is an expired 3 keywords domain , i had a buyer within a week ,but we didn't agree on the price ...

 

[Keith]

oh my god

so 1.3 million domains in .co is speculative and gambling against the casino , but the 100 million crappy names in .com is business and professional domaining ...:hehe:

The goal with these types is to flip quick. Dot co is in bad shape and will continue on a downward spiral. The number of registrations means nada. But if you must continue to invest, go ahead...someone has to be left holding the bag :bingo:

 

[Kate]

Update: I have compiled new figures for .co

.co	1248891	91.20%
.com.co	102952	7.52%
.edu.co	5512	0.40%
.gov.co	4874	0.36%
.net.co	4492	0.33%
.org.co	1386	0.10%
.nom.co	1071	0.08%
.mil.co	149	0.01%
total	1369327	100.00%

Note that the breakdown by extension differs from the registry figures. But I don't know how recent their own data is, as they quote an activity rate from June.
Plus, I must have a margin of error. But today I have possible benchmark to compare against.

Link to previous surveys

 

[jmcc]

Note that the breakdown by extension differs from the registry figures. But I don't know how recent their own data is, as they quote an activity rate from June.
Plus, I must have a margin of error. But today I have possible benchmark to compare against.

Interesting stats.

The reason that COInternet provide rather nebulous stats seems to be that it obscures the state of .co ccTLD. The figures they quote are prior to the Landrush anniversary too. Their web usage figures are, in my opinion, totally unreliable and are designed to obscure the high level of PPC parking in the ccTLD.

Regards...jmcc

 

[JB Lions]

Interesting stats.

The reason that COInternet provide rather nebulous stats seems to be that it obscures the state of .co ccTLD. The figures they quote are prior to the Landrush anniversary too. Their web usage figures are, in my opinion, totally unreliable and are designed to obscure the high level of PPC parking in the ccTLD.

Regards...jmcc

I think you mentioned why before and I can't find it but are you not putting the .co stats on your site? I like checking out the various extensions every now and then.

 

[jmcc]

I think you mentioned why before and I can't find it but are you not putting the .co stats on your site? I like checking out the various extensions every now and then.

COInternet stopped publishing domain counts a few years ago but I've a percentage of .co tracked and post the top 50 .co hosters by detected domains each month based on detected domains. I haven't done any major websurvey of .co websites since February this year because it would be a waste of time, bandwidth and resources.

Regards...jmcc

 

[Kate]

Some more data:

I compiled the top 100 list of name servers used by .co domains.
I am too lazy and don't have enough time to comment thoroughly on it but just one remark: most domain names have two name servers that typically go in pair, for example NS68.DOMAINCONTROL.COM. + NS67.DOMAINCONTROL.COM.
In this example you can see the figures almost match. Sometimes people mix different name servers, which can lead to inconsistent resolution.
Basically that means 40K .co domains would be using the NS67/68.DOMAINCONTROL.COM pair.
Then 30968/30969 domains using NS55/56 etc.
As you can see, a lot of .co domains are using Godaddy DNS, as outlined in a previous analysis. If I remember well more than a third of all registered .co domains were pointing to Godaddy nameservers.

That doesn't mean all those domains resolve to Godaddy parking pages, because some people host the DNS at their registrar and set their own A/MX records etc from there. A more accurate breakdown could be achieved by resolving each domain to IP (A) addresses.
Nonetheless I assume most of those domains are effectively parked and idle.

If you just consider the domains on Godaddy nameservers it looks like they might account for 50% of .co volume (but I am bit tired now).

This might highlight a huge pattern of non-development in the TLD.

  40004 NS68.DOMAINCONTROL.COM.
  39999 NS67.DOMAINCONTROL.COM.
  30969 NS55.DOMAINCONTROL.COM.
  30968 NS56.DOMAINCONTROL.COM.
  30679 NS30.DOMAINCONTROL.COM.
  30678 NS29.DOMAINCONTROL.COM.
  30154 NS63.DOMAINCONTROL.COM.
  30151 NS64.DOMAINCONTROL.COM.
  29447 NS2.SEDOPARKING.COM.
  29438 NS1.SEDOPARKING.COM.
  27699 NS2.PARKCO2.NEUSTAR.BIZ.
  27699 NS1.PARKCO2.NEUSTAR.BIZ.
  27420 NS2.PARKCO1.NEUSTAR.BIZ.
  27420 NS1.PARKCO1.NEUSTAR.BIZ.
  25995 NS.CONFICKER-SINKHOLE.ORG.
  25995 NS.CONFICKER-SINKHOLE.NET.
  25995 NS.CONFICKER-SINKHOLE.COM.
  24705 NS02.CASHPARKING.COM.
  24705 NS01.CASHPARKING.COM.
  24285 NS62.DOMAINCONTROL.COM.
  24282 NS61.DOMAINCONTROL.COM.
  21278 NS52.1AND1.COM.
  21278 NS51.1AND1.COM.
  19963 NS2.123-REG.CO.UK.
  19962 NS.123-REG.CO.UK.
  19744 NS70.DOMAINCONTROL.COM.
  19744 NS69.DOMAINCONTROL.COM.
  19381 NS23.DOMAINCONTROL.COM.
  19373 NS24.DOMAINCONTROL.COM.
  19222 NS74.DOMAINCONTROL.COM.
  19222 NS73.DOMAINCONTROL.COM.
  19180 NS08.DOMAINCONTROL.COM.
  19180 NS07.DOMAINCONTROL.COM.
  19055 NS37.DOMAINCONTROL.COM.
  19054 NS38.DOMAINCONTROL.COM.
  18223 NS20.DOMAINCONTROL.COM.
  18222 NS19.DOMAINCONTROL.COM.
  17732 NS42.DOMAINCONTROL.COM.
  17728 NS41.DOMAINCONTROL.COM.
  16775 NS22.DOMAINCONTROL.COM.
  16769 NS21.DOMAINCONTROL.COM.
  16415 NS15.DOMAINCONTROL.COM.
  16414 NS16.DOMAINCONTROL.COM.
  16235 NS66.DOMAINCONTROL.COM.
  16234 NS65.DOMAINCONTROL.COM.
  16164 NS77.DOMAINCONTROL.COM.
  16163 NS78.DOMAINCONTROL.COM.
  16149 NS50.DOMAINCONTROL.COM.
  16147 NS49.DOMAINCONTROL.COM.
  16115 NS72.DOMAINCONTROL.COM.
  16115 NS71.DOMAINCONTROL.COM.
  15979 NS14.DOMAINCONTROL.COM.
  15978 NS13.DOMAINCONTROL.COM.
  15604 NS67.1AND1.CO.UK.
  15603 NS68.1AND1.CO.UK.
  15489 NS75.DOMAINCONTROL.COM.
  15487 NS76.DOMAINCONTROL.COM.
  15415 NS10.DOMAINCONTROL.COM.
  15414 NS09.DOMAINCONTROL.COM.
  15221 DNS2.NAME-SERVICES.COM.
  15221 DNS1.NAME-SERVICES.COM.
  15202 DNS3.NAME-SERVICES.COM.
  15192 LOCA244235.VENUS.ORDERBOX-DNS.COM.
  15185 DNS4.NAME-SERVICES.COM.
  15180 LOCA244235.MERCURY.ORDERBOX-DNS.COM.
  15056 NS11.DOMAINCONTROL.COM.
  15055 NS12.DOMAINCONTROL.COM.
  14735 DNS5.NAME-SERVICES.COM.
  14268 LOCA244235.MARS.ORDERBOX-DNS.COM.
  14255 LOCA244235.EARTH.ORDERBOX-DNS.COM.
  13672 NS05.DOMAINCONTROL.COM.
  13671 NS06.DOMAINCONTROL.COM.
  13636 PARKCT2.SECURESERVER.NET.
  13636 PARKCT1.SECURESERVER.NET.
  12761 NS3.VPWEB.COM.
  12757 NS2.VPWEB.COM.
  12754 NS4.VPWEB.COM.
  12349 DNS2.REGISTRAR-SERVERS.COM.
  12348 DNS1.REGISTRAR-SERVERS.COM.
  12345 DNS4.REGISTRAR-SERVERS.COM.
  12345 DNS3.REGISTRAR-SERVERS.COM.
  12017 NS2.LIVEDNS.CO.UK.
  11984 NS1.LIVEDNS.CO.UK.
  11849 NS3.LIVEDNS.CO.UK.
  11474 PDNS01.DOMAINCONTROL.COM.
  11469 PDNS02.DOMAINCONTROL.COM.
  10984 DNS5.REGISTRAR-SERVERS.COM.
  10350 NS2.NAMERESOLVE.COM.
  10350 NS1.NAMERESOLVE.COM.
  10251 NS36.DOMAINCONTROL.COM.
  10251 NS35.DOMAINCONTROL.COM.
  10140 NS3.NAMERESOLVE.COM.
  10109 NS4.NAMERESOLVE.COM.
   9596 DNS010.D.REGISTER.COM.
   9581 DNS249.D.REGISTER.COM.
   8362 NS33.DOMAINCONTROL.COM.
   8358 NS34.DOMAINCONTROL.COM.
   8119 NS2.ALLSAFEHOSTING.COM.
   8119 NS1.ALLSAFEHOSTING.COM.
   7977 NS66.1UND1.DE.

 

[jmcc]

If you just consider the domains on Godaddy nameservers it looks like they might account for 50% of .co volume (but I am bit tired now).

The same holding/lander pattern is visible in .mobi sTLD.

This might highlight a huge pattern of non-development in the TLD.

It does. Godaddy's PPC lander appears as a redirect but it requires analysis of the redirect to determine the parking pattern. The firm that COInternet uses for its usage numerology just claims it is a generic redirect. This allows COInternet to obscure the development deficit in the ccTLD.

Regards...jmcc

 

[Kate]

There is one important thing I forgot: I don't know if websites hosted at Godaddy also use the same sets of *.DOMAINCONTROL.COM nameservers. Then it means a good number of domains may actually be developed, and not just parked.

 

[NPer]

There is one important thing I forgot: I don't know if websites hosted at Godaddy also use the same sets of *.DOMAINCONTROL.COM nameservers.

Yes, they can and do use those nameservers. (unless the website owner prefers private ns, but that's another topic)

 

[the_poet]

There is one important thing I forgot: I don't know if websites hosted at Godaddy also use the same sets of *.DOMAINCONTROL.COM nameservers. Then it means a good number of domains may actually be developed, and not just parked.

Exactly, GoDaddy-hosted websites use *.DOMAINCONTROL.COM nameservers.

For example, ElliotsBlog.com is currently using NS07.DOMAINCONTROL.COM and NS08.DOMAINCONTROL.COM.

BTW, recent Sedo sales include:

cinema.co 10,000 EUR
need.co 5,000 USD
esl.co 3,000 EUR
dmz.co 1,250 USD

One thing I've been noticing is that you always have a minimum of 3-4 .CO sales in the $xxx-$x,xxx reported every week by Sedo.

 

[surprise]

No new re the *.DOMAINCONTROL.COM nameservers , it is listed as nameservers for 34 million domains , 24 million .coms !!

http://www.dailychanges.com/domaincontrol.com/

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Was looking at yesterdays list , here is some of the .com deleted names lol , no .com is not speculative :


0349quan.com
0350quan.com
0352q.com
0352quan.com
0353q.com
0353quan.com
0354q.com
0354quan.com
0355q.com
0355quan.com
0356q.com
0356quan.com
0357q.com
0357quan.com
0358q.com
0358quan.com
0359quan.com
038caffe.com
0515tuan.com
0570wz.com
0576by.net
0577dm.com
0577jobhotel.com

 

[jmcc]

There is one important thing I forgot: I don't know if websites hosted at Godaddy also use the same sets of *.DOMAINCONTROL.COM nameservers. Then it means a good number of domains may actually be developed, and not just parked.

They are not. I think I did a breakdown of web usage by hoster earlier this year. I'll dig it out. But from what I remember, a high percentage of Godaddy hosted .co websites were PPC parked on Godaddy's PPC lander page.

Regards...jmcc

 

[the_poet]

.CO (and other "brandable" ccTLDs) featured in a Inc.com article.

 

[Kate]

They are exaggerating things a little bit.
Brandables and alternative extensions have always been around.
But you won't see a lot of really major sites on alternative extensions, with the exception of .tv perhaps.

 

[TheWatcher]

They are exaggerating things a little bit.
Brandables and alternative extensions have always been around.
But you won't see a lot of really major sites on alternative extensions, with the exception of .tv perhaps.

It's a continuous marketing to get domainer's blood pump up. and drain the wallet