Be Carefull with Domain Spammers like TNGTech & XS Domains

[Nile Patel]

Hello NamePros Members,

I don't say anyone scammer or spammer, but I fell something fishy and be careful about this two guys.

I m releasing my email discussion here what I did with them, Plz read this and Give your honest opinion about this guys.



1> TNGTech

-----------------------------------TNGTech----------------------------
--- On Fri, 5/9/08, TNGTech <[email protected]> wrote:

From: TNGTech <[email protected]>
Subject: 10m.biz
To: [email protected]
Date: Friday, May 9, 2008, 3:16 PM



Hello,

We've have visited several online auctions.... We are very interested in your domain name 10m.biz.

Just email me your price and we will consider it.

Of course, domain reselling is not a main direction of our business (we develop software). But domain aftermarket is hot now, so we are always interested in domain names.

Looking forward to do business with you.

Regards,
Emmett Hodges
President
TngTech Consulting
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----- ------------------------------------------Me--------------------------------------------
From: Me
To: TNGTech
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: 10m.biz


Hello TNGTech
Right now we want to keep this name as the .Biz prices are raising and we are thinking to launch one big project on this name.

So just let us know your final offer and we think if it is profitable for us.



-------------------------------------------TNGTech-----------------------------------------------
--- On Fri, 5/9/08, TNGTech <[email protected]> wrote:

From: TNGTech <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: 10m.biz
To: [email protected]
Date: Friday, May 9, 2008, 6:04 PM


Can you accept 12000 USD?

Do you sell domain with a web site or just the name?

Domain without content is ok with me. Web site is not necessary.

Have you had your domain names evaluated in the past? I mean domain appraisals.

Without valuation we cannot be sure in the sale price. It's very important for me in terms of reselling too.

But we must engage a valuation company with REAL manual service. So I will only accept valuations from independent sources I trust.

To avoid mistakes I asked domain experts about reputable appraisal companies.

Please check this posting from archive:
http://discussnames.007sites.com/Archive/298460.htm

If, for example, the valuation comes higher you can adjust your asking price accordingly. It will be fair. I also hope you can give me 12% - 15% discount.

After you send me the valuation via email (usually it takes 1-2 days to obtain it) we'll continue our negotiations.

What is your preferred payment method: Escrow.com, International wire transfer, PayPal.com or something else?

Hope we can come to an agreement fast.

Looking forward to your reply.


-----------------------------------------------Me------------------------------------------

From: Me
To: TNGTech
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 10:33 PM
Subject: Re: 10m.biz

Hi Hodges

I see you are investing in valuable cyber real estate.

Now I like your 12000$ offer, and I personally don't trust appraisal by anyone and I put value as how the name useful.

According to my experience this name is really great as 10m words itself powerful.

Here is my summery:-
Google search for:

1>10m = 46,700,000(this is huge traffics, and there is no good website there)

2>10 million = 59,100,000(no good site on this keyword too)

3>10 mil = 10,200,000 (Huge traffic)

4>10m.com = www.10m.com sale price $75000

5>Match with project like www.milliondollarhomepage.com


This is just a small review a lot of combination by 10 and m is possible, which can match with any business model.

So I consider this name’s value be little more, and if you can offer will consider selling, as we decide to reduce our portfolio due to recession.

We accept payment by wire transfer plus if any fees paid by buyer, and if you want to use escrow you have to pay the escrow service fees.

And I have some very good names if you like any we can do better deal.

1>FINDLATINO.COM

2>TRUEUSA..COM

3>MADONNAPICTURE.COM

4>MADONNACONCERT.COM

5>FORECLOSEDHOMELOT.COM

6>GADGETSVIRUS.COM

7>HOURLYPAYS.COM

8>KNEEAIRBAGS..com

10>OFFICIALGOLFSITE.COM

11>PETVIDS.ORG

12>PETVIDEOTUBE.COM

13>PALMRESORTDUBAI.COM

14>SLEEKDIAMONDS.COM


This is just some of the best name and related to your choice; actually we have more than 500 scrap names portfolio.

Plz offer whatever you think best of any name and we will see what we can do.



-----------------------------------------------TNGTech-------------------------------

--- On Sat, 5/10/08, TNGTech <[email protected]> wrote:

From: TNGTech <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: 10m.biz
To: [email protected]
Date: Saturday, May 10, 2008, 7:46 PM


It's a standard practice to show independent valuation to buyers/resellers.
Nobody will do business without it. I'm a businessman and have no intention
of changing rules which help both parties to avoid additional risks.

Of course, investors never take into account auto-generated vlauations. So
manual valuation is a "must" too.

I read the following information about appraisals at:
http://discussnames.007sites.com/Archive/298460.htm

Thank you for understanding... I'm looking forward to do business with you.


------------------------------------------Me-----------------------------------------


From: Me
To: TNGTech
Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 12:20 AM
Subject: Re: 10m.biz


Hi Hodges

You are right at your end.


If you not satisfied with name value you can do appraisal, with your favorite company or person , and we can split that fees.


---------------------------------------------------TNGTech------------------------

--- On Sat, 5/10/08, TNGTech <[email protected]> wrote:

From: TNGTech <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: 10m.biz
To: [email protected]
Date: Saturday, May 10, 2008, 9:45 PM



No deal without appraisal from a trusted source. This simple rule has saved
me a lot of money and time. Feel free to contact me when you change your
position and let's do business the right way.


-------------------------------------------------------Me----------------

From: Me
To: TNGTech
Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 9:52 AM
Subject: Re: 10m.biz


Hello Hodges

I prefer http://www.GreatDomains.com appraisal, which is done by sedo.

So actually this sedo appraisal service which cost me $29 to get the result within 1 week.

So if you really want to buy 10m.biz then I will go and pay for appraisal fees with sedo which will give me result after 1 week.

I hope you like this service, as I never use appraisal service.


-------------------------------------------------------TNGTech---------------

--- On Sun, 5/11/08, TNGTech <[email protected]> wrote:

From: TNGTech <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: 10m.biz
To: [email protected]
Date: Sunday, May 11, 2008, 2:35 PM



I'm not going to wait for one week for a cheap appraisal service from SEDO. This is not acceptable. Other companies do appraisals for one year.

I researched several companies and here are the results:

I considered www.Afternic.com, but now it's clear their service is not reliable enough.
Just read this:
http://www.igoldrush.com/links3.htm
"Capsule Review: After lots of complaints, Afternic is no longer a recommended service. We will re-review the service in the near future."

Another complaint
http://www.out-law.com/page-1630

I was told about manual research service from http://www.DomainMart.com. It costs - $200/hour.

Many experienced sellers suggested me www.EasyNameSale.com as a trustworth manual service. They charge per name not per hour. I've read only positive comments about them at http://www.aboutus.org/EasyNameSale.com.

-------------------------------------------------------Me-------------------------------

From: Me
To: TNGTech
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 12:20 AM
Subject: Re: 10m.biz


Hello Hodges

We will think about that, as it is costing us more money.

----------------------------------------------------------TNGTech--------------------------

--- On Mon, 5/12/08, TNGTech <[email protected]> wrote:

From: TNGTech <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: 10m.biz
To: [email protected]
Date: Monday, May 12, 2008, 8:52 PM



It's a big risk to proceed without professional valuation. I already spoke
to industry experts and they prohibited me to do business without
valuation..

Without manual valuation nobody will buy. You'll sit on your domain for
years in this case, paying renewal fees to your registrar. Just think about
it. So sooner or later, you'll have to obtain an appraisal. Why waste time
now?

As a seller, you can use a valuation certificate to sell names to other
buyers. I cannot do the same because I don't keep control over your domain.

I'm still interested in your domain. Hope you'll change your position. I
simply don't want to take additional risks.

Thank you for understanding. I'm looking forward to do business with you.

------------------------------------------------------------Me--------------------------------
From: Me
To: TNGTech
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 4:01 AM
Subject: Re: 10m.biz


Hello Hodge

I m individual seller and I don't have big budget, ya I m doing domaining but on small scale.

But I know I have some names which will get it values in future, and in past I sell many names on my personal site and on domain forums, where you never need appraisal.

why I don't do valuation is I know once, monetize my domain will got more value and the old valuation is no more useful for me.

Right now 10m.biz is not monetized, so I m sure the value come less, so let do the things if this is just investment wait 6 more month and let me prove how much traffic it able to get without good content. As per my knowledge whoever sells big names doing this same thing.

Right now I feel if you do valuation with any good company might be the value come near by $5000, as it is not monetized yet. And I don't want it to go under $10000 so there is no way to do valuation.

So if you want to start your content base website right now don't worry about valuation, Even Google and Yahoo started them site the value was zero and see right now, so this is very good name and once you little monetize it will 100% get huge traffics, I will help to monetize this name sir. But for future investment you have to wait 6 more month and then I will contact you with appraisal certificate, as I know the value going to bump up after 6 months.

And you can visit my big portfolio on below both site, as I m not worried about renewal fees.
Many premium names are not listed there, as I know my site is not popular yet..
1> www.adomaindeal.com
2> www.dotasiadeal.com

One more time Hodge think about search result of 10m, 10 mil,10 millions only these 3 keywords, and right now I need budget and ready to do deal.
Hope you understand my budget problem.


-----------------------------------------------------------TNGTech------------------
--- On Tue, 5/13/08, TNGTech <[email protected]> wrote:

From: TNGTech <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: 10m.biz
To: [email protected]
Date: Tuesday, May 13, 2008, 1:32 PM



No deal without appraisal from a trusted source. This simple rule has saved
me a lot of money and time. Feel free to contact me when you change your
position and let's do business the right way.


---------------------------------------------Me---------------------------------------------

From: Me
Subject: Re: 10m.biz
To: "TNGTech" <[email protected]>
Date: Tuesday, May 13, 2008, 2:22 PM


No problem Hodge

We will contact you soon.


That's it for this guy , Thanks god i don't lose anything and learn a nice scammer lesson.

Read one more member complaining abt thi guy here.
http://www.namepros.com/domain-name-discussion/467062-does-this-look-legit.html

Now see the other Guy.

 

[tucal]

TNGTech has sent me the exact same emails and the same appraisal companies. Its just a scam to get you to buy appraisals..

 

[Nile Patel]

Now What about other Guy, Ya he is XS Domains.

Take a look at his new massage i just got it today.

--- On Fri, 6/20/08, XS Domains <[email protected]> wrote:

From: XS Domains <[email protected]>
Subject: madonnaconcert.com and madonnapicture.com
To: [email protected]
Date: Friday, June 20, 2008, 1:36 PM


To whomever it may concern,

I am interested in your domain names madonnaconcert.com,madonnapicture.com and
was wondering if you would consider selling them to me.
I would be willing to go through Escrow.com (or any reputable escrow service of
your choice) for the transaction, so that you know you are in good hands.
Also, I would not ask you to purchase an appraisal. This is simply a genuine
request to purchase your domain names.

If you are interested in selling, please give me your asking price.

Thank you


Now i check his email id he is not owning any domain, plus i found he is scammer take a look at here.

http://www.domainspammers.com/content/xs-domains

Hope you guys think about this both Guy and help our community by your past experience with such a nasty time consuming but somehow helpful Spam emails.

Thanx

 

[alanj878]

me to for my domain avondaleclassified lol

 

[Nile Patel]

me to for my domain avondaleclassified lol

Is it was same guy or someone else, can you plz post your scam email or talk with them.

 

[tucal]

Hello,

pornstarbook.mobi has been found via online auctions.

Just email me your price and we will consider it.

Domain name selling/reselling is not our business. We are doing business in IT industry. But domain market is hot, so we are always interested in domain names.

Looking forward to do business with you.

Regards,
Andrew Hodges
Vice President
TNG Techno Services



Here is the last email from him



I researched several companies and here are the results:

I considered www.Afternic.com, but now it's clear their service is not reliable enough.
Just read this:
http://www.igoldrush.com/links3.htm
"Capsule Review: After lots of complaints, Afternic is no longer a recommended service. We will re-review the service in the near future."

Another complaint
http://www.out-law.com/page-1630


I was told about manual research service from http://www.DomainMart.com. It costs - $200/hour.

Many experienced sellers suggested me www.EasyNameSale.com as a trustworth manual service. They charge per name not per hour. I've read only positive comments about them at http://www.aboutus.org/EasyNameSale.com.

 

[Nile Patel]

Sound like they are stupid using same email to everyone or just blasting multiple emails.

 

[Hurley4540]

Haha "TNGTech" emailed me too :p

 

[Kate]

Same ole' appraisal scam...
lmao what a waste of time !

 

[Hurley4540]

http://tngtech.com/

:hehe:

 

[Nile Patel]

Is that all information listed on tngtech.com is Fake or True.

Is spmming is legal in Germany, they have listed them Tax Id and Vat id too on website.

Moderators what you guys thinking about this whole scam project with any newbie in domain industry.

 

[Kate]

These people are from Russia AFAIK and have nothing to do with any tngtech company.

 

[Hurley4540]

These people are from Russia AFAIK and have nothing to do with any tngtech company.

Oh the spammers and the REAL tngtech are different people. I thought they just made that website to look legit...thanks for clarifying.

 

[Nile Patel]

These people are from Russia AFAIK and have nothing to do with any tngtech company.

Ya sound like both are different.I will contact original TNG Tech, and let see what they say.

Hi Any moderator what you guys think about this whole Email Scam Scandle.

 

[Hurley4540]

They are probably unaware of this....and if they do know, they will deny it....

 

[liquidcherry]

u already watsted so much time and energy....just let it go, would you?

Cheers

Frank

 

[Nile Patel]

u already watsted so much time and energy....just let it go, would you?

Cheers

Frank

Not much just replay the non sense emails.

But want to help our community and specially newbie who just try to make mony in Domain industry.

So just pass this massage to all your friends about this guy.

 

[weblord]

yeah these emails are known to be free web-based emails that have been used to carry out their scams and spams all over the internet of which a greater part of them are domainers if not all. as for me i've made a thread on here to "benefit" or backlash from them at least i have made a quite long thread on this same forum as collection of spams, scams and scam contest that I've won. :lol: