domain AutoAlliance (.) com

[Coindoji]

Looking for help with appraisals

Thanks in advance!

 

[gilescoley]

$0 for this one

Its a trademark. I believe Ford own the TM for this. Drop this one asap.

 

[Coindoji]

I tried browsing uspto but it's so complex ..

Google says Ford/Mazda 'The Auto Alliance is a defunct trade group of automobile manufacturers that operated in the United States.'

I see most of domains are taken, i.e. .net is some car broker in the US, .dk is something car related as well, .de is for sale..

Why don't they just buy .com from me?

Could not locate anything, first time I faced potential TM conflict.

 

[gilescoley]

I tried browsing uspto but it's so complex ..

Google says Ford/Mazda 'The Auto Alliance is a defunct trade group of automobile manufacturers that operated in the United States.'

I see most of domains are taken, i.e. .net is some car broker in the US, .dk is something car related as well, .de is for sale..

Why don't they just buy .com from me?

Could not locate anything, first time I faced potential TM conflict.

They wont buy it from you when they can just take it fron you with a lawyers letter. Big companies dont work like that.

Dont google it, youll find all sorts of false info. Just search the TM database. Its all there in black and white. Just do the right thing and delete the name. Squatting is frowned up in this industry. You will get domainers come on here and say its fine, Ford wont come after you and they may be right, but is it worth the risk and your reputation.

http://tmsearch.uspto.gov

AUTO ALLIANCE
Goods and Services IC 035. US 100 101 102. G & S: Providing credible business statistical information related to the automobile manufacturing industry via a website on a global computer network; providing a website on a global computer network featuring business statistical information for businesses and the general public related to the automobile manufacturing industry; providing credible information on economic contributions related to the automobile manufacturing industry via a website on a global computer network; providing a website on a global computer network featuring information on economic contributions related to the automobile manufacturing industry for businesses and the general public; association services, namely, promoting the interests of automobile manufacturers by providing member companies with a forum to work together on public policy matters of common interest, to develop constructive approaches, and to work with government and other stakeholders to find sensible and effective solutions to industry and regulatory problems. FIRST USE: 20030900. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 20030900
IC 042. US 100 101. G & S: Providing credible information on automobile design innovations, automobile design improvements in fuel economy, and automobile safety testing, all related to the automobile manufacturing industry via a website on a global computer network; providing a website on a global computer network featuring information on automobile design innovations, automobile design improvements in fuel economy, and automobile safety testing, all related to the automobile manufacturing industry for businesses and the general public. FIRST USE: 20030900. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 20030900

IC 045. US 100 101. G & S: Providing credible information on compliance with environmental laws and regulations, all related to the automobile manufacturing industry via a website on a global computer network; providing a website on a global computer network featuring information on compliance with environmental laws and regulations, all related to the automobile manufacturing industry for businesses and the general public. FIRST USE: 20030900. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 20030900

Standard Characters Claimed
Mark Drawing Code (4) STANDARD CHARACTER MARK
Serial Number 76697710
Filing Date June 1, 2009
Current Basis 1A
Original Filing Basis 1A
Published for Opposition May 24, 2011
Registration Number 4007859
Registration Date August 9, 2011
Owner (REGISTRANT) ALLIANCE OF AUTOMOBILE MANUFACTURERS CORPORATION DELAWARE 803 7th Street, NW Suite 300 Washington D.C. 20001
Attorney of Record Jordan S. Weinstein
Prior Registrations 3178880
Disclaimer NO CLAIM IS MADE TO THE EXCLUSIVE RIGHT TO USE "AUTO" APART FROM THE MARK AS SHOWN
Type of Mark SERVICE MARK
Register PRINCIPAL-2(F)
Affidavit Text SECT 15. SECT 8 (6-YR).
Live/Dead Indicator LIVE

 

[slader23]

They wont buy it from you when they can just take it fron you with a lawyers letter. Big companies dont work like that.

Dont google it, youll find all sorts of false info. Just search the TM database. Its all there in black and white. Just do the right thing and delete the name. Squatting is frowned up in this industry. You will get domainers come on here and say its fine, Ford wont come after you and they may be right, but is it worth the risk and your reputation.

http://tmsearch.uspto.gov

@gilescoley

Read the entire mark. It's classed to cover the automobile manufacturing industry and even within that its a specific use. The mark covers informational use and association related services for the entire industry i.e fuel economy, testing, compliance, regulations etc. There are active businesses using the term. I'd be careful telling the OP to delete the domain he paid almost $1k for it at DropCatch.com auction a few days ago.


autoalliance.com 950 USD 2020-03-20 DropCatch

Specifically:

• Providing statistical information regarding the automobile manufacturing industry on a website or via a global network.
• Providing credible information regarding economic contributions in the automobile manufacturing industry on a website or via a global network.
• Providing Association services, promoting the interests of automobile manufacturers by providing member companies with a forum to work together on public policy matters of common interest, to develop constructive approaches, and to work with government and other stakeholders to find sensible and effective solutions to industry and regulatory problems.
• Providing credible information on automobile design innovations, automobile design improvements in fuel economy, and automobile safety testing, all related to the automobile manufacturing industry via a website on a global computer network; providing a website on a global computer network featuring information on automobile design innovations, automobile design improvements in fuel economy, and automobile safety testing, all related to the automobile manufacturing industry for businesses and the general public.
• Providing credible information on compliance with environmental laws and regulations, all related to the automobile manufacturing industry via a website on a global computer network; providing a website on a global computer network featuring information on compliance with environmental laws and regulations, all related to the automobile manufacturing industry for businesses and the general public.

If you read it clearly, in general this mark limits the use of the name for an automobile manufacturers association and all relative information i.e industry statistics, compliance, efficiency, testing, design innovation, association services, regulations and laws etc. So if you were to use AutoAlliance.com for anything described in that TM, then its a potential UDRP, however, this trademark has nothing to do with anything else, if you were an auto broker selling used cars, then it can be used (is being used ex. http://www.autoalliance.net/) because this has nothing to do with commercial sales of automobiles.

DO NOT DROP THE DOMAIN.

 

[Coindoji]

Thanks, greatly appreciated response

Well, just in case loss is a loss, I mean, was just curious how others use it and the word combo is too generic to ban everyone.


>>DO NOT DROP THE DOMAIN.

I thought, why could not they just buy it, as Sir gilescoley said? How can they just 'take it away' ? Since this is just an empty domain, without a website and these entire two words do not belong them..

They can stick to .org or buy a .com, what's wrong with it? If not, I can still outbound to .net or attempt selling it as is, noting to potential buyers what they can't use due to abovementioned stuff.

It's just limits the potential range of buyers, probably.

So, appraisals vary from 'run away' to 'keep it'

I'm even more confused now after I asked for appraisals.

 

[gilescoley]

@gilescoley

Read the entire mark. It's classed to cover the automobile manufacturing industry and even within that its a specific use. The mark covers informational use and association related services for the entire industry i.e fuel economy, testing, compliance, regulations etc. There are active businesses using the term. I'd be careful telling the OP to delete the domain he paid almost $1k for it at DropCatch.com auction a few days ago.


autoalliance.com 950 USD 2020-03-20 DropCatch

Specifically:

• Providing statistical information regarding the automobile manufacturing industry on a website or via a global network.
• Providing credible information regarding economic contributions in the automobile manufacturing industry on a website or via a global network.
• Providing Association services, promoting the interests of automobile manufacturers by providing member companies with a forum to work together on public policy matters of common interest, to develop constructive approaches, and to work with government and other stakeholders to find sensible and effective solutions to industry and regulatory problems.
• Providing credible information on automobile design innovations, automobile design improvements in fuel economy, and automobile safety testing, all related to the automobile manufacturing industry via a website on a global computer network; providing a website on a global computer network featuring information on automobile design innovations, automobile design improvements in fuel economy, and automobile safety testing, all related to the automobile manufacturing industry for businesses and the general public.
• Providing credible information on compliance with environmental laws and regulations, all related to the automobile manufacturing industry via a website on a global computer network; providing a website on a global computer network featuring information on compliance with environmental laws and regulations, all related to the automobile manufacturing industry for businesses and the general public.

If you read it clearly, in general this mark limits the use of the name for an automobile manufacturers association and all relative information i.e industry statistics, compliance, efficiency, testing, design innovation, association services, regulations and laws etc. So if you were to use AutoAlliance.com for anything described in that TM, then its a potential UDRP, however, this trademark has nothing to do with anything else, if you were an auto broker selling used cars, then it can be used (is being used ex. http://www.autoalliance.net/) because this has nothing to do with commercial sales of automobiles.

DO NOT DROP THE DOMAIN.

Yeah sure, and what do you think the OP had in mind when he registered "Auto Alliance" The TM covers just about everything related to "Autos"

Cmon, we see this all the time. Maybe I was a bit premature in my assumption but the OP already stated "Why don't they just buy .com from me? " The intentions were pretty clear.

Since this is just an empty domain, without a website and these entire two words do not belong them..

Google the term "Auto Alliance" and see how many sites are NOT related to Cars, vehicles, Autos? I would always advise people new to the industry to stay away from TM names, its not worth the hassle.

 

[slader23]

Yeah sure, and what do you think the OP had in mind when he registered "Auto Alliance" The TM covers just about everything related to "Autos"

Cmon, we see this all the time. Maybe I was a bit premature in my assumption but the OP already stated "Why don't they just buy .com from me? " The intentions were pretty clear.



Google the term "Auto Alliance" and see how many sites are NOT related to Cars, vehicles, Autos? I would always advise people new to the industry to stay away from TM names, its not worth the hassle.

He didn't register it...he paid $950 at dropcatch.com. Clearly read what I wrote.

 

[gilescoley]

He didn't register it...he paid $950 at dropcatch.com. Clearly read what I wrote.

Yeah, makes no difference at all. You really think Ford or any TM holder would care whether you paid $10K, $1K or $1 for it? A TM is a TM, simple as that. Unfortunately for the OP, he will lose even more $$ from a name like this.

 

[slader23]

Yeah, makes no difference at all. You really think Ford or any TM holder would care whether you paid $10K, $1K or $1 for it? A TM is a TM, simple as that. Unfortunately for the OP, he will lose even more $$ from a name like this.

A TM is a TM. However, you need to actually understand all aspects of a mark before assuming fault. Did you read the FULL TM? If you did then you'd realize that this trademark absolutely in no way covers the entire auto industry, in fact it specifically relates to activities relative to auto manufacturing. There is absolutely no section in that mark covering retail sales of automobiles, which is why you see companies with the term....I referenced the .net which is fully developed as a used car broker. The owners have had the domain since 2002, why haven't had the TM holders UDRP'd them? Because the service being operated on the .net does not infringe on their very specific mark.

 

[gilescoley]

A TM is a TM. However, you need to actually understand all aspects of a mark before assuming fault. Did you read the FULL TM? If you did then you'd realize that this trademark absolutely in no way covers the entire auto industry, in fact it specifically relates to activities relative to auto manufacturing. There is absolutely no section in that mark covering retail sales of automobiles, which is why you see companies with the term....I referenced the .net which is fully developed as a used car broker. The owners have had the domain since 2002, why haven't had the TM holders UDRP'd them? Because the service being operated on the .net does not infringe on their very specific mark.

I think you may find the TM holder has no rights to that domain as AutoAlliance.net, as you correctly stated, has been registered since 2002. The TM was only filed in 2009, so they cannot take a domain from someone that has been running a website years before your TM. I think we agree to disagree on this one. I do realise there are grey areas with TM's, but my main reason is to try help new domainers and they often dont know about those grey areas yet so I try and direct them to safer domains. I wish the OP the best of luck.

 

[Martins B.]

The TM was filed 2009, the domain was dropped and reregistered.

If they want to take it back they can as the trademark is live, case closed, no?

So 0$.

 

[slader23]

The TM was filed 2009, the domain was dropped and reregistered.

If they want to take it back they can as the trademark is live, case closed, no?

So 0$.

Use of the name needs to be infringing on aspects of the mark.

OP didn't register the domain, it was purchased via dropcatch auction.

 

[Martins B.]

Use of the name needs to be infringing on aspects of the mark.

OP didn't register the domain, it was purchased via dropcatch auction.

So what if it was purchased? It is still freshly registered and he now owns it.

And honestly, what could he do with the domain that does NOT infringe the TM?

 

[slader23]

So what if it was purchased? It is still freshly registered and he now owns it.

And honestly, what could he do with the domain that does NOT infringe the TM?

Read the full TM and understand what it means.

 

[YourBestTrader]

I generally avoid trademarks, but I'm this case I don't feel that he's at risk.

I think the domain has real potential.

Whether only x,xxx or xx,xxx is another question...


But if I'd been able to grab it for $100.. I would have. No question, and no worry about trademarks either.