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7N.com a silently growing market

Labeled as debate in Numeric Domain Discussion, started by DomainEmpire.com, Nov 5, 2015

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  1. DomainEmpire.com

    DomainEmpire.com Established Member ★★★★★★★★★★

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    I've decided to share with you the result of my studies related to the numeric domain market.

    I admit I wasn't a real fan of this niche until few years ago when I saw a growing market demand for NN/NNN/NNNN/NNNNN.com/net so I've started to study more carefully this new fashion.

    We let dropping dozens of quality 5N.com in 2010, excellent patterns that we've holded for just 2 years before having stupidly decided to let them expire to save on our renewal fees.
    Recently, I've discovered that those domains are now worth $x,xxx each so we should have risked to keep renewing for few more years so a wrong decision caused us a big loss considering we had paid around 80/100$ each for those domains.

    We've started to become real fans of this new market few months ago when we've sold our 2 NNN.com and a premium NN.net (we can't disclose the details of those transactions but for sure we've started to consider more seriously this new investment opportunity).

    Let's start with few important facts: last July 2015 there were dozens of thousands of quality 6N available for registration but we did again a mistake because we've just taken few dozens of the remaining ones with triple "8" in random positions (without 0-4) while we left to our competitor thousand other excellent patterns now paid in the $xxx/each range in the daily post drop auctions.

    Many people says this trend will end a day and we did the terrible mistake to consider things in this wrong perspective until we discovered that just last August 2015 few smart domainers start to grob thousands of the best patterns of the 7N.com niche while the general attention was still focalized exclusively on the 6N (it's too early to invest in 7N told us another domainer so we did another mistake and we didn't invest).

    Thousands of 7N starting/ending in quad N (2222135 1352222) were still available for registration in August and now they're paid in the low/middle $xxx each with prices raising quickly, day after day.

    We'd have spent a mere $8.47/domain to register them (after having joined the Gd Discount Club) so what was the risk ? No, it wasn't worth our time and we invested on domains whose value hasn't changed so much in the latest 3 months.

    I've noticed that several thousands of these 7N actually paid in the $xxx/each range, have been hand reg'd by few diff. people so they're experiencing a strong return of 12/15 times the invested capital in less than 3 months but who'd believe that ? What was the risk for us in spending few hundreds in those registrations ?

    1* Day after day, many new 7N patterns are starting to be auctioned and their value constantly grow up.
    2* Few hundred thousands of 7N have been registered since last August (they'll number will soon beat the 6N registrations);
    3* We've discovered over 25k 7N with nice patterns registered in the latest few days but we've just quieried whois of a small fraction of them;
    3* Most of the best patterns are already gone forever (we're never considering 0 & 4 of course in our study and researches).

    Let's do a final recap of all patterns actually gone:
    - Having the same number repeated 5 times (in consecutive/random positions) ie: 1553555
    - Starting ending with triple repeated number (3331579
    - Starting/ending with just 2 repeated "8" (8823576)
    - Having 3 diff pairs of repeated numbers + a random one (2213366)
    - Containing at least 3 consecutive "8" in the middle (2158887)
    - Patterns made by just 2 diff. numbers (2522552)
    - Starting in 123 / Ending in 4567 (strangely, there're still few ones ending in 123)
    ... many of other great patterns are going too so what have we learned by this experience ?

    We've gathered a group of few local investors and registered over 10,000 selected numbers (carefully chosen considering the availability in the first weeks of October) among the best remaining patterns; so doing, the total investment has been of about $88k and now do you thing we've done something of wrong again ?

    Many similar numbers are already auctioned daily in the $60/80 each so we plan to hold them for a while before starting selling but we don't exclude our investors will love this market and will decide to keep them for few years.

    Now, what's the secret of this game ?

    Don't see "numbers" as domains but consider them "stocks" or "gold", a safe way to invest your money, something you can resell at anytime to raise new liquidity but always at a much higher price than what you've spend to acquire it.
    Considering you pay $8.47/each to hand register them, even reselling under the market value (once similar patterns will start to be auctioned) might mean getting $50/each from your domains after just few months.

    We believe to this new game and we're taking it very seriously now.
    Many Chinese domainers with more resources are investing more than us and now we've learnt they're smarter than all other people who continue to ask: Why registering 7N ? They're millions !

    This's the wrong way to consider them because the goal of the game isn't asking yourself if they'll ever go completely but if the specific pattern you're targeting will go in the next few weeks and how much you'll get as a return by your investment.

    Where's the risk ? None ! I'll tell you more of what we're learned.
    Let's say you love the easy profit but you hate numbers, that's normal for our culture even if we love them now :)

    Well: don't invest millions but fix a budget then pick up some good number still available for registration and start to monitor the market on a daily basis (you can do that by monitoring the public auctions on multiple popular sites like godaddy/pheenix/kqw etc ...).

    You'll discover something of surprising exactly it happened to us: this game will not end at least for the few years to come because it's involving a growing number of enthusiasts from many countries (not just from China) so you'll never lose a single cent of your money until you'll continue to monitor it to study the best time to sell and the time to hand register new emerging patterns.

    You can play with $8.47 or with $888 anything depends by your possibilities and by the max return you plan to get.
    You'll probably do our same mistake in a first time (and that's normal): you'll invest in just 5/10 domains and you'll try to resell too quickly without waiting for 2/3 months so your return will be extremely low and you'll become furious few months later once such numbers will start to get auctioned in the $xxx range.

    Is this an easy way to become rich ? I'm not telling you it is simply we believe it's a way to make a lot of money if you'll learn and understand the rule of the game and once you'll learn to play it in the right way :)

    We were monitoring a big list of the remainng good patterns: over 113,000 available domains a couple of weeks back while today there's a mere 40% of remaining.
    We've made the list public hoping you'll all enjoy the game:
    www.dnempire.com/available.txt

    Why are we making it public ? After over 10,000 registrations of the latest weeks, we're waiting for new investors and new capitals but Chinese domainers will not wait for us considering they're grabbing anything as quickly as they can (over 25k gone in the latest few days alone and many of them have been reg'd today as you'll see).
    Told this, we'll look for new emerging patterns to target once ready (and we'll not make public the new lists before having grabbed few thousands) but now these ones will go quickly and surely before we'll have the chance to put again our hands on the same.

    You'll find all remaining 7N with triple "8" (in random position, often with 2 consecutive ones), triple consecutive number in the middle, "123" at the end and few other great combos.
    The ones having a triple consecutive number in the middle are already starting to go to auction and for this reason few smart domainers are registering quickly the remaining ones.

    Did you like our innovative point of view of this market ? Enjoy the game then and apologize me for my poor English knowledge especially now that I've written quickly without reading twice nor thinking too much to the correct grammar due to the big enthusiasm and wish to share anything with you all.

    www.dnempire.com/available.txt
     
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  2. Kachi

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    What of this pattern

    8N8N8N8.com
     
  3. GravityEleven

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    @domainempire

    loving your thread and agreeing in most points with you.. it applies generally to each category, starting from 4N a long time ago to 8-9N right now..
    luckily i decided to take the risk and invested heavily in 7N & 8N (first in end of 2013 and again this year) and am already reaping the rewards of that investment nowadays..

    ps: there is still plenty of opportunity though with 9N and onwards, just nobody knows when it becomes too long with too many possible combinations to still feel relatively scarce, except for strong patterns & combos..
     
  4. Calvenor

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    Thank you very much :)

    Just regged sixty 8N dot coms from your list with six 8's in each of them. Let's see what comes out of it :)
     
  5. gemstar

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    Bravo! you are entitled to a
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    Well done!
     
  6. Ms Domainer

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    There are still some good 7N patterns with "4" in lucky combinations.

    Just now, I just picked up 8482848.com, 8483848.com, and 2488842.com (all palindromes).

    I think that there may be some more of such patterns; but they are going fast -- I'm done for now; I have regged a scary number of numericals in the past month, so it's time for me to stop.

    A gift for someone adventurous and not afraid of 4: 3488843.com is available; 4488844 is taken, btw (not by me, although I do have 4484844, picked up about three days ago).

    848 = Prosperity for 8 lifetimes.
    248 = Prosperity for 2 lifetimes
    48 and 84 are lucky combos
    Both 2 and 3 are considered lucky​

    All I know: Chinese registrants are regging domains with 4 in them, especially double 4's (44 together); this combo seems to have some positive meaning, although I don't know what it is.

    Patterns seem to be important as well.
     
  7. DNabc

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    I bought several of such domains from DomainEmpire (a great guy), renewing them year after year because I always "loved" numbers. Should have bought more, that is for sure... Interesting times.
     
  8. DnEbook

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    Guess that's why I named my blog .......NumericShares.Com
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    If anyone wants to release any of their info, send me a pm and I will post on the site for you
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    Thanks for great post
     
  9. DnEbook

    DnEbook DataGlasses.Com VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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    So far everything on the list is regged
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    update ..... found one
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    3228122
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    2nd Update ... I am finding more, well worth checking this list, thanks
     
    Last edited: Nov 7, 2015
  10. DnEbook

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    Another point of view is that if you have good patterns, this list only further proves their value ..... they stand out from the crowd
     
  11. namethreads.com

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    When will 7N.com without 0 or 4 be bought out?
     
  12. dalBono

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    I made a scan last night
    result : from the list above, 50k of them, just around 10k are over and its shrinking very vast. its happening right now.
    even combos containing 4 and 0 are being registered, like
    2999944.com,
    3322224.com,
    4111100.com
    1100004.com
     
  13. DnEbook

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    Yes people will overlook the dreaded 4 if fits into a nice pattern, modern China may not be as fussed about the number 4, I have come across a few Chinese domain sites happily selling their domains with 4's and the pricing seems no different compared to the rest of their inventory.
     
  14. 21x20

    21x20 Domainer Since '95 #oldschool #orjustold VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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    Happily selling them?
    Or happily listing them for sale?

    Two very different things.

    If you have a direct link in China, it may be different than trying to flip them here. You can see from the various auctions here on NP that (as an example) 6N with 8's and 4 go for a fraction of those with no 4... So depends where your actual selling market is.
     
  15. maya-zir

    maya-zir Top Contributor VIP

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    I dont like the fact that all domains I regd today werent in this list.
     
  16. 21x20

    21x20 Domainer Since '95 #oldschool #orjustold VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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  17. maya-zir

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    @21x20,

    4 with good patterns and after or before 8 is lucky number.
    You posted a link, well, I dont see there any specific value, they are not memorable, not easy for memorize, there is no any sequence, no pattern.
    Nothing. ..
    But they worth more than reg fee.
    Why? 6n are gone, only because of this fact.
    But all depends of pattern, I have 81881881 and have also 84884884 and of couse the first one will worth more, but it will be not difficult to sell also the second one.
    If 4 is a part of interesning pattern, it doesnt matter, it worth.
     
  18. 21x20

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    Yeah yeah ;). Even the 4's in good position always pull well less than no 4's. You can say whatever you want about it --- it's still statistically true. There are 10 million 7N. People resorting to anything but the very best crazy good 4 patterns should really consider why they're doing it and if their name really ranks well against even 1 million of the other names (i.e., the entire size of 6N).
     
  19. 21x20

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  20. maya-zir

    maya-zir Top Contributor VIP

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    I want to tell that 84884884 will worth more than 8596327, but less than 81881881.
     
  21. 21x20

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    You have to make better comparisons to what is available to hand reg or buy at the same price.

    Sure in your made up situation where these are the only two names available at reg fee, pick the 84's. But that is not the case.

    Right now 81881881 is not available and far better than 8596327 IS available. There are still many good patterns without 4's and even some 888's that start with single or double 0 which are still better than most RANDOM or slightly patterned 4's.
     
  22. maya-zir

    maya-zir Top Contributor VIP

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    I own 3888303 but I would like to reg 3888333 instead, but it was inavalible, so I regd this one, will worth less but will worth.
    Thats all.
     
  23. mafiasam

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    if any one like 84 in 7n??? see my signature :xf.smile:
     
  24. maya-zir

    maya-zir Top Contributor VIP

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    I dont catch the point.
    I do try reg without 4 and 0.
    But if I see a good pattern with rows of 888, I try to reg it even if it has 0 or 4.
    Of couse first I reg without 0 and 4, after I reg with 0 but without 4 and finally if I see potencial I reg also with 4 but only if it goes with 8.
    But I search a good combination without 0 and 4.
     
  25. maya-zir

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    I have 8880444 and have a lot offers on it dayly.
     

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