Hugedomains rats at Sedo and AN ?

topdom · May 15, 2020

Here is a very abnormal scenario, which happened more than once.

It is very difficult to get a 4 figure offer, or get any response to any email.

Here is what happens (happened several times): I register a domain, send a very logical email to a very targetted potential buyer: their response: total silence (no response). Ok it is their choice, they are not interested.. is this right ? no. Maybe they went to their "trusted company " Godaddy or somewhere else, but we were not informed about potential buyers' intentions. There is a black box there.

And during pending delete I get mid3-low 4 figure initial offer, what can I do, wait until domain drops, since the offer may be fake as happens 50 percent of time at least, there is no reason to bid on it at auctions where I would be scammed out of nothing... Normally domain should drop , and there should be not much competition, or the marketplace which sent me enduser's offer should try to catch for themselves. But what happens in reality, it is dropcaught, and the new owner is Hugedomains.

So how did Hugedomains know there is a a real buyer? Maybe they are bribing someone from Sedo, and AN/GD, or both, to get offer data.

I bet some offers are not shown to us, and instead they go to dropcatch list, and for teasing purposes we get offers during pending delete.

7363824 · May 15, 2020

topdom said:
So how did Hugedomains know there is a a real buyer?

Who says they knew????

They dropcatch all sorts of domains all the time. At the volume to acquire domains its bound to happen once in awhile.

topdom · May 15, 2020

Ryan217 said:
Who says they knew????

They dropcatch all sorts of domains all the time. At the volume to acquire domains its bound to happen once in awhile.

It would be statisticially unreasonsable (too much coincidence) if they didn't knew, I think. When dropcatching they are risking paying more than regfee, why do it, why pay 100, when a year ago they dropped it and not even try to handreg.

Now there are domains which received 20-200 offers and counteroffers were not responded. So it looks like there are no buyers, time to drop, and then what, they will be dropcaught. Why dropcatch an average quality domain when there is no active buyer. Doesn't make much sense.

EP2020 · May 15, 2020

topdom said:
It would be statisticially unreasonsable (too much coincidence) if they didn't knew, I think.

This is not true.

EP2020 · May 15, 2020

topdom said:
It is very difficult to get a 4 figure offer, or get any response to any email.

Here is what happens (happened several times): I register a domain, send a very logical email to a very targetted potential buyer: their response: total silence (no response). Ok it is their choice, they are not interested

Sounds right, I think a 1% conversion rate is pretty good in this market.

topdom said:
Maybe they went to their "trusted company " Godaddy or somewhere else, but we were not informed about potential buyers' intentions. There is a black box there.

This is called co-branding, consumers like the brand so they would prefer to checkout with GD rather than directly with you, just add the fee onto your margins.

topdom said:
And during pending delete I get mid3-low 4 figure initial offer, what can I do, wait until domain drops

You could buy it?

topdom said:
since the offer may be fake as happens 50 percent of time at least, there is no reason to bid on it at auctions where I would be scammed out of nothing

No one would be 'scamming' you out of anything, consumers have the right to change their mind. There is no agreed terms. If half of the sales materialise then depending on how much you sell them for, maybe buy them again anyway?

topdom said:
So how did Hugedomains know there is a a real buyer? Maybe they are bribing someone from Sedo, and AN/GD, or both, to get offer data

You have provided no evidence that they do this but even if they did it is called front running, not bribing - this is an unregulated market. Front running happens in many markets including commodities and equities. If they did want to go to the effort of doing this, they wouldn't stop because small-time domainers don't want them to.

Samer · May 15, 2020

i would love to hear @Sutruk take.

Consider the Sedo Guru.

Samer

topdom · May 16, 2020

Frontrunning requires new data. They can get it with bribing, so why not do it. I can't imagine another explanation: Only I and the marketplace which transferred the offer to me knows there is an active buyer, and it is dropcaught while hundreds of equal quality domains are not.

Sutruk · May 16, 2020

Samer said:
i would love to hear @Sutruk take.

Consider the Sedo Guru.

Samer

lol Samer... I am not a Sedo Guru... I just have some domains listed for sale there

I just give my opinion from my experience with them, when I see someone accusing them with nonsense, as my experience with them has been overall positive.

Sutruk · May 16, 2020

topdom said:
So how did Hugedomains know there is a a real buyer? Maybe they are bribing someone from Sedo, and AN/GD, or both, to get offer data.

I bet some offers are not shown to us, and instead they go to dropcatch list, and for teasing purposes we get offers during pending delete.

Amazing your conspirational imagination.

If you still don't know that HugeDomains catch each and every low-medium-high quality domain on the drop list (almost everything dropping and worth catching) without any bid on their system, you still haven't been watching too much dropping domain lists.

topdom · May 16, 2020

Since my "claim" is not provable, we can only use statistics, or test it with fake offers. Someone should test it.

I handreg Hugedomains' drops, they dropcatch my drops. Difference: I don't have any data.
So they don't register every medium quality drop. How do I know, because they drop and I buy. But then I drop, this time they buy, what made them change their mind: new data.

medium quality: worth 1K to one person, and zero to others. And you need to know whether that person is currently active buyer or not. Make 1K or waste 10 (or 100 in case of dropcatching), knowing the answer makes a big difference.

EP2020 · May 16, 2020

topdom said:
Frontrunning requires new data. They can get it with bribing, so why not do it. I can't imagine another explanation: Only I and the marketplace which transferred the offer to me knows there is an active buyer, and it is dropcaught while hundreds of equal quality domains are not.

Yeah sure maybe they do sell the data to them. Even so, what would the problem be? We might be able to find out if it is in the Terms + Conditions.

Sutruk · May 16, 2020

topdom said:
So they don't register every medium quality drop. How do I know, because they drop and I buy. But then I drop, this time they buy, what made them change their mind: new data.

I have been biding many times against HD bot at GD auctions for domains already previously listed for sale at HD. That's a good one!

So yes, they drop and you buy. You drop and they buy. That's how it works. But believe me, 99% of the times, the dropped domains without bids on their system, will finally end in HD hands.

topdom · May 16, 2020

EP2020 said:
Yeah sure maybe they do sell the data to them. Even so, what would the problem be? We might be able to find out if it is in the Terms + Conditions.

Maybe no problem. What can Sedo do about it: show more info about the bidder and visitors, so we can know if it is a real enduser offer. Also it is strange that good offers come during pending delete. Maybe it was known there was a buyer, but hidden from us.

biggie · May 16, 2020

topdom said:
I register a domain, send a very logical email to a very targetted potential buyer: their response: total silence (no response).

good, I don't like spammers either

topdom said:
Maybe they went to their "trusted company " Godaddy or somewhere else, but we were not informed about potential buyers' intentions. There is a black box there.

why do they have to inform you, of their intentions///
you ain;t nobody special

topdom said:
And during pending delete I get mid3-low 4 figure initial offer, what can I do, wait until domain drops,

pending delete?
what does that have to do with the domain that you were soliciting by email?
was that domain expired and thus pending deletion?

topdom said:
So how did Hugedomains know there is a a real buyer? Maybe they are bribing someone from Sedo, and AN/GD, or both, to get offer data.

how do you know there was a real buyer?

did you track the whois to see if it changed hands, after hd acquired it?

and... were you even willing to bid higher than hd to get it?

lot of bull

in your presentation and perhaps be mindful of making such accusations without proof

imo...

Sutruk · May 16, 2020

In my experience, 99% of the times that I don't order a dropping domain at HD, hoping and wishing they won't get noticed about that one so I can register it for a reg fee... will end catched by HD! So, maybe me and HD have the same taste for domains, or maybe they really catch whatever is worth catching at the dropping list.

biggie · May 16, 2020

Sutruk said:
they really catch whatever

you have to note that:
catching is an expense, against the revenue, to reduce taxes

and how many domainers are looking at domaining that way?

imo….

Sutruk · May 16, 2020

biggie said:
you have to note that:
catching is an expense, against the revenue, to reduce taxes

and how many domainers are looking at domaining that way?

imo….

Yes, but please... don't stop there in my comment.. because then it sounds a bit weird...
I said:

Sutruk said:
they really catch whatever is worth catching

If they would just catch whatever is dropping (thousands of domains daily) they would be out of cash very fast

topdom · Jun 2, 2020

I found another explanation. No need for rats to be present at Sedo for such a thing to happen. Another explanation (not saying it is true): AN/GD/HD are the same. And when they get an inquiry they make an offer at Sedo, instead of transferring the offer to us through their own channels (sometimes). They make an offer at Sedo which they think we would quickly accept, but the buyer doesn't pay because there is a big gap between offers, or there is a time gap and motivation is lost. Anyway they can't secure the domain for a low price, or payment can't be secured on enduser side, but they know the buyer was serious, and would pay 100 or more easily. So they know we have received offers on those domains, because they made those offers.

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