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Darn! Another scam and this time it is an experienced domainer James Booth.

James must have thought he was making a sound acquisition as he transferred approximately 26k to escrow for CQD.com. Instead, after completing the escrow, the domain was taken from his account by the registrar without notification and returned to the "true" owner.

Turns out the person that sold him the domain CQD.com, may not have been the true owner.

Apparently this incident involves several parties including the registrar and the escrow.


Thanks to Theo over at DomainGang for the tip on this.
 
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There needs to be a second layer of security to unlock a domain.

At DD, there is TFA to log in and another TFA to unlock a domain.

I think they are into something with that.

I also like using multiple secret questions.
This method works well for banking.
 
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Another thing would be to refuse to buy a domain at Netsol - insist that the buyer moves it to another registrar first, then when you buy they push to you at the new registrar. Too many stories of domains being bought at Netsol then disappearing without warning or notification.


EXCELLENT SUGGESTION...........

Booth - can't you put a legal binder on the domain so it can't go anywhere till your lawsuit on ownership is settled --- tie up the name -- then NO company can be listing it for sale
 
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Not surprising that NetSol would do that. They unfortunately take very lightly on moving domains out of accounts. Some users seemingly just have to ask for a domain to be moved to them, and NetSol take their word for it.

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Perhaps one of the big media companies - journalist - tv shows - should do a piece
on this sort of thing repeatedly happening with NETSOL


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Anyone know what chances he has of getting his money back? It seems here that the legitimate owner is in fact the scammer.


expose owner - let's FIND them
 
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It seems these scammers are working overtime to perfect their scam. I think we tend to get relaxed a bit because the vast majority of transactions go smoothly.

Guess you just can't let your guard down for a moment. Particularly when companies like netsol do so little other than spam you daily.

I happen to have one name left there and it's a 3L. I better move that sucker!




get it moved... (smile)
 
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Absolutely majority of the scams seems to happen at NS recently so its seems just a matter of time before people stop using them.

Anyone with even remotely valuable names should just move the names to a registrar that takes security of customer assets seriously.


I personally recommend GoDaddy. I have thousands of domains there and have had for over a decade... Never any problems...
 
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Yes, and we don't even know that the original owner wasn't part of the scam. Just saying. I've heard of people burning their own property just for the insurance money.

I certainly am not suggesting this, I just know these scams can be very, very, very elaborate.


?? is there a way for the legal team of the escrow service to take this on probono
on behalf of Booth...
 
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Hello All, this is THE rebecca burns, ComQuest Designs CQD.

i can’t post links so do the best you can here.

yes, the fact is that the CQD domain was stolen from me. i am taking legal action, but i am putting this out here, and it will be my final post. i don't do forums, much. i am too busy doing other things. i use them when i need them.

so, how could i not realize my site was down? CACHE. the cache did not clear very quickly. in fact my daughter checked on her cell phone 2 days ago and my site was still coming up on her device and emails were still seemed to be coming through.

i did notice that my mac mail emails were going on and off line.

please know i was in the process of a HUGE 10 year, 10 horse farm move from March to Aug and finished up Aug 19th. i was off line, preoccupied busy moving. then it took 45 days to have new internet service run 1900 foot off the road to the vacant piece of land. we are building from the ground up. not fun. not an easy task and very frustrating.

in any case, i was not absolutely never contacted about any sale or proposal of sale, therefore, i did not approve it. i never received any money. the escrow platform used called me AFTER they ran the transaction through and they were clearly nervous about things asking me questions about my banking. they are the ones who told me a man in california received the check. he used his drivers license to cash the check 4000 miles west of where i live, and i don’t leave out of here, i have 9 horses. sadly, i just put my beloved 30 year old Man O War descendant down in november. this was a very sad time for me. the loss was unbearable.

anyway, the escrow platform company supplied me with 2 of the emails in PNG format, before the legal aspect became clear.

the name of the email is inconsistent with how mine appears and no dates appear either. all of the emails that were running through the only 2 cqd emails i have ever had since 1996, when i logged into my c-panel after the contact from escrow platform (transaction already completed) the cpanel emails showed a forward on them to the thief. i immediately took screen shots of both, and removed them from my account, changed my user name and password on both the emails and on my entire account, thinking i was locking the perp out. i use mac mail so i don't log into any web site to receive mail on a daily basis, and this address is avail only from my computer. it is a POP account not IMAP. after 22 years of web presence, and my html web site which has not been updated in years, i had never worried much about it. i ordered domain privacy about 2 years ago, when i listed the domain for sale with afternic because i was incredibly tired of all the low ball offers on the domain - mostly from china. i am not a domain reseller. i run 4 little businesses and those offer emails took up too much of my time. i had 3 very nice offers throughout the years and actually spoke with individuals but declined on their offers, as at the time i just didn't want to “give” my domain away.

there was no signature the emails provided to me via png file, which i have and always used (a signature) for 22 years.

this can be proven by simply asking any of my customers or friends who recently or years gone by in their received correspondence from me and visually see how they formatted through to them.

it showed my real estate photo - lifted off the web. anyone with half a brain can do that.

i don't use a photo on my design emails, only real estate, and it's on my real estate card to prove, and it my real estate signature because us realtors - we show our faces. graphic designers don't.

(did i mention i am a florida licensed real estate broker? read on...)

• the email was formatted incorrectly.
it was not written the way i speak. like a foreign person wrote it. whoever wrote the email doesn't articulate words the way i do, or correctly.

i do have the email address in a screen shot from my hosting company with a email forwarding address. it's (of course) a gmail account. the perp saw everything, including banking and state of florida licensing material running through my rebecca cqd email. and i mean EVERYTHING. i have spent weeks changing user names and passwords to the point that I'm so confused and frustrated! i never authorized or took part in the sale of my beloved domain!!!

ComQuest Designs is my part-time business, and it is no longer an active FL corp. it doesn’t make enough money to pay the state fees and associate bookkeeping requirements. there is no law stating i cannot keep a web site up - for web presence for potential future domain resale.

it was my retirement fund. i am not ashamed to say i am 54 years old. i am more than halfway through my life. i thought i'd be on the beach when the last of my old horses die, but i just lost my retirement. its not a good feeling.

• my phone number IS and HAS been on my web site and it HAS NOT CHANGED. I am transparent and honest. all it would have taken was a telephone call from james to actually speak to me and within 30 seconds the answer of would i sell for 25k would have been no, just like all the other rejection emails i sent out over the years. if we would have struck a deal, then the verification of me would have been through my attorney. i do real estate transactions every week. a drivers license and a BLUE INK SIGNATURE is required at the closing table. notary's are also used. do you know there are mobile closers who will drive to you to close a deal legally? yes...and they are notarized and legally can do this.

james did call me once and left a message. it was 2AM,my phone goes to DND and at that point i was so mad i thought it best not to say anything. legal lock had been placed on my domain once it came back to me when i reported to network solutions i did not authorize the sale. that was the only contact ever attempted to me. and the vm did come through. but none prior, and none since.

if feel the whole selling transaction of a domain is bogus. had i been involved it would have been handled like a real estate closing, if it had gotten that far.

please note, there was one email sample from escrow platoform png that stated the following:

"Regarding the phone number, I changed it but my registrar said it will be updated in 72 hours"

Look at that sentence. BIG RED FLAG HERE PEOPLE! for more than one reason. so..right here there is a problem! james, did you see this email?

My (voice) phone number has not changed. my fax number changed in Aug because i moved to my new horse farm in a different area code (25 mins from my old place Gainesville to High Springs). my CELL number has been the same for many years, and still is, and appears as such on ALL of my web sites, in all my marketing. i am not hard to find.

• the "seller" cashed a check (as i understand) in California. I am ~4000 miles east in Florida. It was a male person and i understand he showed his drivers license in order to cash the check. that's what i hear. i have 9 horses and don't leave the farm much, LOL. i am 100% female so not sure what else to say about this.

there are a host of other clues that will prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt that i did not have a thing to do with this transaction. that i did not authorize it, orchestrate it partake in it, in any way whatsoever.

i am devastated.

i think somebody was just really excited to get such a great deal on my 3L domain, who wouldn’t have? but this person did not do true due diligence.

remember the old saying, "if it seems to good to be true, it probably is."

i am a real estate broker licensed in the state of florida, and

1. I will NEVER do anything to burn my state license for anyone or anything! Florida Real State Law requires that i not harm the general public in any way and dealing honestly and fairly, and being loyal. this is me.

unfortunately, people get scammed everyday off craigslist. "send me your money and ill send you a key and the lease) at some point common sense needs to prevail people.

2. i have worked many long years building a solid and kind and honest reputation locally, with all my businesses. i have a reputation of TRUST. i am not global. but i am a good honest hard working gal, running 4 businesses to keep out of corp america. been there, done that, won't ever go back to it again.

i was/am not a part of this sale transaction! I am the victim. this is a small town and everyone is calling me to find out whats going on. simply put my domain was stolen. i, rebecca burns, was NEVER contacted by email, usps, phone, fed ex, ups, in person or any other mode, etc. etc. not by anyone and exchanged words, INCLUDING THE INVESTIGATOR who worked on this for 3 months???!!!! whatever. i haven't seen his report. i bet there is not much too it.

the right thing to do is return CQD.com to me, and file a claim against escrow platform. it is what i would do. i like looking at myself in the mirror when i am brushing my teeth, because i know i am a good person and do the right thing. i am, however, very angry and short tempered.

escrow platform should be required to carry error and omissions insurance, just as i am for my real estate brokerage. mistakes happen. but everyday this lingers on makes me more and more upset. the BOMB was dropped on march 7th when I called network solutions to follow up on this mess. imagine my heart dropping to the floor when i was told that my domain had been released the day before, no email was ever received stating as such. i did. i screamed and dropped to the floor crying, just as i did when my dear friend died in a car accident and i got "that phone call."

its a big stinking mess. i don't do forums unless I'm looking for horse advice, how to treat non sweaters, strangles, coughs, heaves, sticky stifles...etc.etc.

therefore this will be my last (calm) commenting session. i am now on chinese herbs to keep from crying and rampaging (albizzia 9 - better than xanax and not addictive LOL). if any of you wish to email or call me, feel free. my "new" domain, (again a sarcastic thanks a lot) ComQuest Designs with my new email address.

after 22 years of typing rebecca at cqd com, my long pointer domain sux! nothing like starting over. did i tell you i procured the pointer domain in the event that i would get a good fair price for cqd...? humpf. i was preparing for the future.

but not for this.

if all it takes for a person to steal a domain is a fake email, then something is deeply wrong with the system. domains are personal property. i believe, if a person purchases stolen property, knowingly or not, you can go to jail. something to consider.

james…please return my domain to me. i am the rightful owner, and stop all this crazy nonsense. hopefully one day domain sales will have universal language with huge consequences for those who take part in the theft of them.

please return cqd to me and file a claim with escrow platform. keep it simple.

-rebecca burns
352-870-5272
 
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opps california is WEST of florida. not east.

i am tired. loosing sleep but still busy with real estate and horse work. no rest for the weary.
 
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Rebecca, I truly feel your pain. Have you any idea how your email was compromised? How your domain was stolen? It appears the domain was transferred away to a chinese registrar (ename) for a short time before coming back to your account the last time.

I support your points about digital property being like real estate. It would be terrific if Escrow.com would step up since they seem to have the most information about the impostor.

I am so deeply sorry for the loss of your horse and the loss of your domain. Hopefully you and James can work together to resolve this terrible situation. He definitely paid the money.

I will keep an eye on this thread. I suggest you remove your personal phone number though.
 
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Rebecca, I truly feel your pain. Have you any idea how your email was compromised? How your domain was stolen? It appears the domain was transferred away to a chinese registrar (ename) for a short time before coming back to your account the last time.

I support your points about digital property being like real estate. It would be terrific if Escrow.com would step up since they seem to have the most information about the impostor.

I am so deeply sorry for the loss of your horse and the loss of your domain. Hopefully you and James can work together to resolve this terrible situation. He definitely paid the money.

I will keep an eye on this thread. I suggest you remove your personal phone number though.


my phone number is world wide. its on all my web sites. i am a realtor and must talk to people.
if its an international caller i don't pick up. i have an investor in the middle east. we text all the time. :) and yes, escrow platform won't talk to me. this is a huge legal mess. i am hoping james will be a honest young man and do the right thing. those millennials though...different kind of work ethic than old folk like me.
(crying again).
thanks again. it's 5:00 here. gonna go guzzle a heineken and feed horses. they never cheat me . they are honest creatures.
-rjb
 
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my phone number is world wide. its on all my web sites. i am a realtor and must talk to people.
if its an international caller i don't pick up. i have an investor in the middle east. we text all the time. :) and yes, escrow platform won't talk to me. this is a huge legal mess. i am hoping james will be a honest young man and do the right thing. those millennials though...different kind of work ethic than old folk like me.
(crying again).
thanks again. it's 5:00 here. gonna go guzzle a heineken and feed horses. they never cheat me . they are honest creatures.
-rjb
There are many good people here that are hoping this outcome is good for both victims.

Really stinks.
 
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my phone number is world wide. its on all my web sites. i am a realtor and must talk to people.
if its an international caller i don't pick up. i have an investor in the middle east. we text all the time. :) and yes, escrow platform won't talk to me. this is a huge legal mess. i am hoping james will be a honest young man and do the right thing. those millennials though...different kind of work ethic than old folk like me.
(crying again).
thanks again. it's 5:00 here. gonna go guzzle a heineken and feed horses. they never cheat me . they are honest creatures.
-rjb

sorry to jump in on thread like this.. its a long read and I didn't do it all.. but did you say this is mostly about the domain name and the brand for you? or the money? or both.. at this stage.

I keep fingers crossed for some kind of happy ending!
 
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Legally speaking, I do believe that if he has proof of his correspondence with what is supposed to be the owner's correct contact information, especially considering it most likely has been the same information for a long time (many years) and he has proof of his payment + where it went then he should have a strong leg to stand on.

One of the weirdest cases with which I have ever been involved is Express Media v. Express.com. In a nutshell, the purchaser of the domain name conducted negotiations for quite a long time with the admin contact, and eventually purchased the domain name. Shortly thereafter, the prior registrant claimed it was stolen. It was hard to believe that the prior registrant was telling the truth, given all of the correspondence which had gone on. But, as I mentioned the last time this case came up, it appears that the hacker was very carefully curating that email account in order to avoid the account owner seeing any of the extensive communication.



So, on your point of "is correspondence with the owner's email address sufficient"?

http://www.internetlibrary.com/pdf/Express-Media-Express-Corp-ND-Ca.pdf

There are two problems with this argument. First, Ricks has presented no evidence that Express Media and DVD.com either knew they were transferring the domain name to the third party, or that they were transferring the domain name to Ricks. The allegation in the complaint stated that Network Solutions, not Express Media, was fraudulently induced into transferring ownership. Even if ownership was actually transferred to Ricks, Express Corporation did not authorize or know about the transfer. Second, the claim that title was transferred from Network Solutions to Ricks fails as well. Ricks presents evidence that he paid money to an unknown entity, and not to Network Solutions, to “take title” to the domain name. Defendants’ arguments rest on changes to the WHOIS records and the registration contact information for the domain name. Such records, however, are not the equivalent of statutorily-created title systems. They are privately-maintained systems for providing contact information and keeping records for domain names.

In some courts of law, it would come down to whether this was a bona fide purchaser. For example, did he buy a Picasso that was worth a million for $50K and should have known something was wrong?

The doctrine of "bona fide purchaser for value" applies to purchase of goods from a dealer of goods of that kind, not a private party transaction.

Continuing with the discussion in Express Media:

Finally, defendants argue that they cannot be held liable because they purchased the domain name in good faith. This is an affirmative defense, so defendants bear the burden of proof. “As a general rule, an innocent purchaser for value and without actual or constructive notice that his or her vendor has secured the goods by a fraudulent purchase is not liable for conversion.” Witkin, Summary of California Law, § 716, 10th ed. (2005). The law distinguishes between the person who purchased from someone who obtained title to the property by fraud and the person who purchased from a thief who had no title to sell. Defendants produce evidence, which plaintiffs do not dispute, that defendants purchased the domain name from an unknown third party who identified itself as “Susan Tregub.” The question now becomes whether that unknown third party obtained title by fraud or merely stole the domain name.

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Here, defendants have presented no competent evidence that plaintiffs voluntarily transferred the domain name. Susan Tregub, who was listed as the administrative contact and who Ricks
believed that he dealt with in buying the domain name, declared that she never voluntarily transferred the domain name (Tregub Decl. ¶¶ 15–16). Moreover, during her deposition Tregub testified that she never transferred the domain name and that no one ever contacted her asking her to do so (Tarabichi Decl. Exh. A).Indeed, the real Susan Tregub could not have been
contacted because her email address had been removed from the registration.


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Defendants try to make much of the fact that plaintiffs do not know precisely how the third party changed the registration information. The third party may have stolen plaintiffs’ password, it may have bypassed Network Solutions’ security measures, or it may have impersonated Susan Tregub in some other way. The method does not matter. Defendants cannot get around the fact that Susan Tregub never owned the domain name. As an attorney for plaintiffs, Tregub was only the contact person for the domain name registration, she was never the owner. Plaintiffs have shown that they did not voluntarily change the contact information and defendant does not present any evidence to the contrary. Indeed, plaintiffs were not even aware that the contact information had been changed until they later checked the WHOIS records. Thus, the third party who sold the domain name to defendants could not pass good title, and the good-faith purchaser defense does not apply.

To simply that a little bit, let me ask you this about the "bona fide purchaser" defense...

If you want to apply the BFP defense, who was the seller?

ComQuest Designs' claim is that they did not sell the domain name.

Booth's claim is that he purchased it from ComQuest Design.

Okay, fine, those sorts of claims are usually dealt with pretty simply - produce the sale agreement, and show payment to ComQuest Design.

Escrow.com does not provide a sale agreement. They provide an escrow agreement solely.

As long as people continue to conduct business this way, this is going to keep happening. The sequence is usually "but I paid through escrow.com". Unless you have a sale agreement specifying EXACTLY who is getting paid and to what account, you don't know who is getting paid. The way domainers keep doing this is ridiculous, because then you get stuck in the loop of Escrow.com not divulging the payment information to which payment was sent, and which would have likely provided an indication that, say, wiring money to some bank in Turkey was probably not how a Florida corporation normally gets paid.

But people will keep sleepwalking into these things, and re-hashing the same cycle again and again.

As far as "but Network Solutions investigated this" goes, the only thing that means is that Network Solutions looked into whether the account was accessed through the correct credentials, that the admin contact email address duly approved the transfer, etc.. The ONLY thing Network Solutions cares about, and the only thing they have to care about, was whether the process was technically compliant. If the argument that "I bought the domain name from ComQuest Designs" rests on "Network Solutions confirmed the transfer", that's what the whole discussion in Express Media Group is about:

Defendants contend that the agreement with Network Solutions defines the metes and bounds of plaintiffs’ property rights in the domain name much like the deed to a piece of real property. First, defendants have not authenticated the exhibits that they to be copies of agreements that plaintiffs entered into with Network Solutions.
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Even if the agreement had been properly authenticated, it still does not have the same effect as a deed. Changes to the registration information do not constitute a transfer of ownership. Defendants attempt to distinguish the facts of this action from those in Kremen v. Cohen, 337 F.3d 1024 (9th Cir. 2003) <note: the sex.com case>. In that decision, the Ninth Circuit held that domain names were intangible property that could be converted. There, a domain name owner attempted to hold a domain name registrar liable for conversion where a third party had changed the registration information. Defendants seem to
be arguing that here, Network Solutions took title to the domain name whereas in Kremen, the registrar merely exercised possession and control of the domain name. Nothing in the facts or the agreement would indicate that Network Solutions ever held title. Plaintiffs registered their domain name with Network Solutions, but they did not pass title to it.

Again, this is pretty easy to clear up. If you claim "I bought this widget from Bob" and Bob disagrees with you, then simply produce the sale agreement with Bob and the proof that you paid Bob.

If you can't do those two things, then you are not going to be able to demonstrate you bought that widget from Bob.
 
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sorry to jump in on thread like this.. its a long read and I didn't do it all.. but did you say this is mostly about the domain name and the brand for you? or the money? or both.. at this stage.

I keep fingers crossed for some kind of happy ending!
She said this was her nest egg for retirement. Over the years she has had offers and has even put it up for sale, but never got what she wanted so she just held on.
 
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One of the weirdest cases with which I have ever been involved is Express Media v. Express.com. In a nutshell, the purchaser of the domain name conducted negotiations for quite a long time with the admin contact, and eventually purchased the domain name. Shortly thereafter, the prior registrant claimed it was stolen. It was hard to believe that the prior registrant was telling the truth, given all of the correspondence which had gone on. But, as I mentioned the last time this case came up, it appears that the hacker was very carefully curating that email account in order to avoid the account owner seeing any of the extensive communication.



So, on your point of "is correspondence with the owner's email address sufficient"?

http://www.internetlibrary.com/pdf/Express-Media-Express-Corp-ND-Ca.pdf

There are two problems with this argument. First, Ricks has presented no evidence that Express Media and DVD.com either knew they were transferring the domain name to the third party, or that they were transferring the domain name to Ricks. The allegation in the complaint stated that Network Solutions, not Express Media, was fraudulently induced into transferring ownership. Even if ownership was actually transferred to Ricks, Express Corporation did not authorize or know about the transfer. Second, the claim that title was transferred from Network Solutions to Ricks fails as well. Ricks presents evidence that he paid money to an unknown entity, and not to Network Solutions, to “take title” to the domain name. Defendants’ arguments rest on changes to the WHOIS records and the registration contact information for the domain name. Such records, however, are not the equivalent of statutorily-created title systems. They are privately-maintained systems for providing contact information and keeping records for domain names.



The doctrine of "bona fide purchaser for value" applies to purchase of goods from a dealer of goods of that kind, not a private party transaction.

Continuing with the discussion in Express Media:

Finally, defendants argue that they cannot be held liable because they purchased the domain name in good faith. This is an affirmative defense, so defendants bear the burden of proof. “As a general rule, an innocent purchaser for value and without actual or constructive notice that his or her vendor has secured the goods by a fraudulent purchase is not liable for conversion.” Witkin, Summary of California Law, § 716, 10th ed. (2005). The law distinguishes between the person who purchased from someone who obtained title to the property by fraud and the person who purchased from a thief who had no title to sell. Defendants produce evidence, which plaintiffs do not dispute, that defendants purchased the domain name from an unknown third party who identified itself as “Susan Tregub.” The question now becomes whether that unknown third party obtained title by fraud or merely stole the domain name.

...

Here, defendants have presented no competent evidence that plaintiffs voluntarily transferred the domain name. Susan Tregub, who was listed as the administrative contact and who Ricks
believed that he dealt with in buying the domain name, declared that she never voluntarily transferred the domain name (Tregub Decl. ¶¶ 15–16). Moreover, during her deposition Tregub testified that she never transferred the domain name and that no one ever contacted her asking her to do so (Tarabichi Decl. Exh. A).Indeed, the real Susan Tregub could not have been
contacted because her email address had been removed from the registration.


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Defendants try to make much of the fact that plaintiffs do not know precisely how the third party changed the registration information. The third party may have stolen plaintiffs’ password, it may have bypassed Network Solutions’ security measures, or it may have impersonated Susan Tregub in some other way. The method does not matter. Defendants cannot get around the fact that Susan Tregub never owned the domain name. As an attorney for plaintiffs, Tregub was only the contact person for the domain name registration, she was never the owner. Plaintiffs have shown that they did not voluntarily change the contact information and defendant does not present any evidence to the contrary. Indeed, plaintiffs were not even aware that the contact information had been changed until they later checked the WHOIS records. Thus, the third party who sold the domain name to defendants could not pass good title, and the good-faith purchaser defense does not apply.

To simply that a little bit, let me ask you this about the "bona fide purchaser" defense...

If you want to apply the BFP defense, who was the seller?

ComQuest Designs' claim is that they did not sell the domain name.

Booth's claim is that he purchased it from ComQuest Design.

Okay, fine, those sorts of claims are usually dealt with pretty simply - produce the sale agreement, and show payment to ComQuest Design.

Escrow.com does not provide a sale agreement. They provide an escrow agreement solely.

As long as people continue to conduct business this way, this is going to keep happening. The sequence is usually "but I paid through escrow.com". Unless you have a sale agreement specifying EXACTLY who is getting paid and to what account, you don't know who is getting paid. The way domainers keep doing this is ridiculous, because then you get stuck in the loop of Escrow.com not divulging the payment information to which payment was sent, and which would have likely provided an indication that, say, wiring money to some bank in Turkey was probably not how a Florida corporation normally gets paid.

But people will keep sleepwalking into these things, and re-hashing the same cycle again and again.

As far as "but Network Solutions investigated this" goes, the only thing that means is that Network Solutions looked into whether the account was accessed through the correct credentials, that the admin contact email address duly approved the transfer, etc.. The ONLY thing Network Solutions cares about, and the only thing they have to care about, was whether the process was technically compliant. If the argument that "I bought the domain name from ComQuest Designs" rests on "Network Solutions confirmed the transfer", that's what the whole discussion in Express Media Group is about:

Defendants contend that the agreement with Network Solutions defines the metes and bounds of plaintiffs’ property rights in the domain name much like the deed to a piece of real property. First, defendants have not authenticated the exhibits that they to be copies of agreements that plaintiffs entered into with Network Solutions.
...
Even if the agreement had been properly authenticated, it still does not have the same effect as a deed. Changes to the registration information do not constitute a transfer of ownership. Defendants attempt to distinguish the facts of this action from those in Kremen v. Cohen, 337 F.3d 1024 (9th Cir. 2003) <note: the sex.com case>. In that decision, the Ninth Circuit held that domain names were intangible property that could be converted. There, a domain name owner attempted to hold a domain name registrar liable for conversion where a third party had changed the registration information. Defendants seem to
be arguing that here, Network Solutions took title to the domain name whereas in Kremen, the registrar merely exercised possession and control of the domain name. Nothing in the facts or the agreement would indicate that Network Solutions ever held title. Plaintiffs registered their domain name with Network Solutions, but they did not pass title to it.

Again, this is pretty easy to clear up. If you claim "I bought this widget from Bob" and Bob disagrees with you, then simply produce the sale agreement with Bob and the proof that you paid Bob.

If you can't do those two things, then you are not going to be able to demonstrate you bought that widget from Bob.
So does this mean that part of buying a valuable domain should include an actual purchase agreement and proof of payment based on that agreement?

I believe there are cases where written agreements are involved in the sale and transfer of valuable domain names.
 
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purchase agreement

I'm using SignNow com service. Above $1k, Contract / Agreement must be signed before transaction occur. After, I use my own (hidden from public) payment system provided by X payment company.
 
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I did. The whole thing is really fishy. I called, emailed and did all the checks. It seems she told Web.com one of her employees sold the name without her authorization which is a lie.

I have all the emails from her.

@BoothDomains you said you called her, did you actually called and talk to her?
How do you know what she told NS?

If she knew that her domain was stolen, by an employee, it should be easy to report to the police, stolen property and the money that was stolen. Are you sure about this @BoothDomains?

Rebecca if you know that your domain is stolen, isn't it up to you to report to the authority? And you know who stole it? It should be pretty easy. Rebecca how do you know about the cash being checked? And there is an ID associated with it? If so it should be traceable. Are you following up on that? Because if there is an ID (driver's license) then it should be pretty easy (unless that ID is fake).

It looks like Escrow has a lot of information to solve the case. However as mentioned you probably need to sue them for the full amount you plan to sell $150,000 USD and grievances and lawyer fees to get them to talk. In this case working with Escrow to buy and sell domains, is a bad idea since they do not offer a who sells to who contract, instead an escrow contract.
 
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is there a way for the legal team of the escrow service to take this on probono

I'm always impressed with the general belief that there is an abundant supply of lawyers who don't have their own bills to pay.

I need to get me one of those pro bono plumbers to fix my water heater.

If everybody wants to save a lot of time and money, this is exactly how this will play out if everyone lawyers up and push comes to shove:

1. Booth will rely on email communications and payment to escrow.com as "proof" he bought the domain name.

2. Booth will claim the email communication demonstrates an enforceable sales contract.

3. Burns will show her email was hacked. Burns will also subpoena escrow.com and show that Booth's "proof of payment" shows that neither she nor her company were paid.

4. Booth will lose.

Again, that assumes push coming to shove, rather than one side exhausting their budget or doing something stupid during the litigation.

A lot of litigation is simply a spending contest. Burns is coming from a position of pure loss as far as litigation expenses are concerned. Booth is coming from a position that if he can drag this thing out, run up Burns' expenses, and spend $75k in the process, he's still arguably ahead, having obtained a $150,000 domain name for $100,000.

But that's if litigation only involves the purchase and sale issue. Without having looked into the question of whether an ACPA claim will hunt, Burns can throw a potential $100,000 damage award against Booth into the mix, just to make it sporting.

The most unlikely outcome is that the parties realize the potential of a win-win. While they burn away their respective piles of money, neither Booth nor Burns is likely to figure out that (a) Burns has rights to a valuable asset, and (b) Booth has considerable experience in domain brokerage. If Burns agreed to allow Booth to broker the name, or provide an assignable right to exclusively broker it at some point in the future, then the outcome could be that Burns gets more than she would have otherwise when the domain name is sold, and Booth gets at least his $26,000 back. Given the tenor of the discussion here so far, Hell will freeze over before either one realizes that.

But I'm definitely going out for popcorn.

Oh, and IF an employee of Burns is involved, someone is going to the pokey for, I'm going to guess at least five years, possibly with some part of that suspended.

So does this mean that part of buying a valuable domain should include an actual purchase agreement and proof of payment based on that agreement?

Well, um, YEAH. The purchase of ANYTHING valuable should include these things. The cavalier way that some people sling around substantial amounts of money in this business is completely ridiculous.
 
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I totally agree with @jberryhill
But if there is information on who the thief is, or traceable, why not hunt down the thief and get the money back faster? Everyone is happy.

But then again, does Rebecca actually know who stole her domain? and will Escrow provide support?
Instead of suing each other, will it be more useful to sue the Escrow service provider?
Take a look at what happened when James got a lawyer on NS. They were "happy" to complied.
 
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@BoothDomains you said you called her, did you actually called and talk to her?
How do you know what she told NS?

If she knew that her domain was stolen, by an employee, it should be easy to report to the police, stolen property and the money that was stolen. Are you sure about this @BoothDomains?

Rebecca if you know that your domain is stolen, isn't it up to you to report to the authority? And you know who stole it? It should be pretty easy. Rebecca how do you know about the cash being checked? And there is an ID associated with it? If so it should be traceable. Are you following up on that? Because if there is an ID (driver's license) then it should be pretty easy (unless that ID is fake).

It looks like Escrow has a lot of information to solve the case. However as mentioned you probably need to sue them for the full amount you plan to sell $150,000 USD and grievances and lawyer fees to get them to talk. In this case working with Escrow to buy and sell domains, is a bad idea since they do not offer a who sells to who contract, instead an escrow contract.
She stated in her response escrow told her about the check being cashed.

There are probably two cases here, one is on her side a stolen domain, she has no privy to the escrow transaction, as that would be a second case between the two other parties.

I am sure Escrow's legal team probably told their reps to go radio silent on this, but this lady was never in any deal with escrow, or contract. She simply had her domain siphoned from her account at network solutions. It would be J B who would have to take action against escrow if the domain was removed from his account to recover his funds.
 
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But if there is information on who the thief is, or traceable, why not hunt down the thief and get the money back faster?

You may find the thief, but the likelihood of getting the money is low. If it is one of Burns' employees, maybe.

I'm amused by Booths claim that Burns is lying. That's EXACTLY what we thought in the express.com case. The first time I heard the other side's claim that their email was hacked, I was 100% convinced it was bullshit. I was 100% wrong.

And why is she lying then? Seller's remorse? Why do I doubt that someone who is in the real estate business doesn't know how to negotiate a deal they are satisfied with?

Sellers remorse and casual claims are one thing. But Booth's claim that she is lying also rests on her willingness to then go and commit the crime of filing a false police report, engage in wire fraud in her communications with Network Solutions, and, as is likely, perjure herself in litigation.

Um, yeah, I don't think so.

Could Burns be lying? Sure, it's possible, but if so then she is also racking up criminal violations over this hypothetical scheme to make off with $26,000.

I'll just put it out there, but if it was me, there'd have to be a bigger prize that $26,000 for a felony. If it can be busted down to a misdemeanor, I'm willing to negotiate.

Instead of suing each other, will it be more useful to sue the Escrow service provider?

For what? As people here need to be reminded - over and over - Escrow.com does one thing. They promise to take money from one side in an escrow transaction, and pay it over to the other side in an escrow transaction, upon approval of the parties to that escrow transaction. Escrow.com doesn't move the goods, and doesn't know or care whether the person who got paid is or is not actually a party to an agreement to sell anything. Escrow.com did exactly what they are supposed to do, receive money from one end and pay it out the other.

In fact, by setting up an opaque window between payer and payee, Escrow.com is favored for these sorts of transactions. Everyone knows Escrow.com won't give that information out. Of course, it could be made an option that the actual payment information used IS visible to the seller on agreement of the parties, so at least it could be confirmed that a transaction involving Joe Blow in Chicago actually goes to a bank in Illinois in the name of a Joe Blow, at least. Now, sure, Joe Blow might want that money wired to his relatives in Moldova, but in a transaction like this one, it might be worth some further questions if that is the case.

But the problem is that if Escrow.com provides too many options, then there are too many things for the parties to disagree over and not proceed with the transaction. If that happens, Escrow.com doesn't get paid. And that makes kitty sad.

The more interesting possibility here would be if the hypothetical Burns employee also had access to a bank account which Burns uses, and has been engaged in other hanky panky on that front.
 
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One interesting point here that is worth noting, for those playing along at home:

Notice that Burns says that Escrow.com won't communicate with her.

Escrow.com, of course, would not communicate with anyone who was not a party to the transaction. So, depending on the basis on which Burns claims that Escrow.com won't communicate with her, then that would be a pretty reliable indication that Burns wasn't the person to whom payment was sent.

Obviously, if Burns was the other party in the Escrow transaction, and Burns is claiming that she wasn't paid, then Escrow.com would certainly provide her with proof that she was paid.
 
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