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Should DM recipients be allowed to share direct messages publicly on NamePros?

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  • Yes, it's their right to share messages that were sent to them directly

  • No, they shouldn't be allowed even though they could still share those messages on other websites

  • Indifferent, it doesn't matter to me either way

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I reported one post that took a direct message and posted it in public. This was the response:

"Direct messages belong to each member in the conversation and at this time there is no rule against posting them publicly. Thank you for understanding."

It says Direct Messages are this -
Direct messages are similar to emails: they allow you to have conversations with other members directly.

Direct messages are basically private messages between 2 people usually. When is that ever ok to post in public?
 
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I am not sure why do we make this thing such a big deal?
We are all understand about site get hacked and email issues with privacy but all we ask is DM/Private Message should be private within the forum.
If any member who posts DM here it should be deleted by Admin/Mod and get a warning.

It's a simple thing that apply to all online forums.
I do not want my email address, my offer or an other information that I convey from DM post in the thread.
 
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I will add this has nothing to do with legally or other sites. Only has to do
It's foolish to treat anything that happens on the internet as private in any sense of the word, no matter where it happens or who's trying to protect it. Everything gets hacked eventually--and that's assuming someone who's supposed to have access to the info doesn't leak it, which happens quite often.

Yes, in an ideal world, private conversations would indeed stay private. However, there are a few issues that prevent us from turning that into a rule:
  1. Such a rule would be completely unenforceable. We're not omniscient; we have no way of proving who leaked what info where. People could easily be framed; screenshots can easily be forged.
  2. Like any popular website, we're frequently targeted by hackers. Our security practices exceed industry standards, but that doesn't mean we're invincible. We're not in a position to guarantee that your conversations will remain private--no online service is.
  3. Fraud often occurs through conversations. Obviously, when this happens, people need to feel that they can come to us with information without being persecuted.
  4. Sometimes people are legally obligated or encouraged to disclose information, and not always to government investigators. For example, if someone threatened to physically harm another person, it might be wise to file a police report.
  5. Accountability becomes an issue anytime conversations are guaranteed to be off-the-record. If people know they're going to be held accountable for what they say, they're more likely to act responsibly and professionally. The moment we take away accountability in conversations, I'm sure we'll see much more "aggressive" sales tactics.
@equity78 also made pretty good points that are worth reading. People often assume communications are confidential when they're not. Just because someone says "this message is confidential" doesn't necessarily make it so. And even if there was a contract, and everyone agreed to confidentiality, nothing you do on the internet can ever be deleted--it's out there, somewhere, forever, no matter what you do. Nobody can delete it; nobody can even determine all of the places it exists. It's foolish to think that information existing in such a state could ever be considered confidential.

It rarely ever makes the news, but websites get hacked all the time, especially forums. We're very lucky that we have the resources to mitigate most attacks, but no system is infallible. If you have even just a handful of online accounts, someone out there probably already has your data. And they probably have your password, which is probably the same on all of your accounts, which means they can probably just log into your NamePros account if they really want to read your conversations. To make matters worse, a lot of these leaks eventually become public, though we have no way of knowing just how many private leaks are actually out there. So would we really be doing you any favors by providing a false sense of confidentiality? No matter how hard we try, that's not something that we--or anyone else--can reasonably enforce.

Now, if it makes you feel better to have some sort of confidentiality agreement between yourself and the people with whom you communicate, that's fine, but keep in mind that Hacker Bob meandering in from stage left never signed your agreement and wouldn't comply even if he had. Also, as @equity78 said, you both have to explicitly agree; a notice at the top or bottom of a message isn't enough. And it's still up to you to enforce it.

What in the world. You're talking about hacking, illegal this and that, everything to distract from something basic.

Private message should be private. Simple stuff.

"Such a rule would be completely unenforceable."

What? Somebody posts a private message in a public forum, you delete it, give them a warning. If they do it again, you ban them. How is that not enforceable if you run the place? You have owner, admin, mods etc. It's a forum. You control it.

"Obviously, when this happens, people need to feel that they can come to us with information without being persecuted."

Right, which was posted before. Message admin/mods, let them handle it.

I wish this was a public poll with names attached to the votes, so we could weed out the unprofessional people here.
 
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What in the world. You're talking about hacking, illegal this and that, everything to distract from something basic.

Private message should be private. Simple stuff.

"Such a rule would be completely unenforceable."

What? Somebody posts a private message in a public forum, you delete it, give them a warning. If they do it again, you ban them. How is that not enforceable if you run the place? You have owner, admin, mods etc. It's a forum. You control it.

"Obviously, when this happens, people need to feel that they can come to us with information without being persecuted."

Right, which was posted before. Message admin/mods, let them handle it.

I wish this was a public poll with names attached to the votes, so we could weed out the unprofessional people here.


wishfull thinking
doesn't create savety
 
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wishfull thinking
doesn't create savety

Safety? Delete post, not complicated stuff. So Frank, if you message me about something, gave me information just meant for me, you would be ok with me taking that and posting it publicly?

Even the way the question was set up a little slick:

"No, they shouldn't be allowed even though they could still share those messages on other websites"

We're only talking about what you control, this site. And if somebody took info from a private message on this site and posted it elsewhere then............. you ban them from this site.
 
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I wish this was a public poll with names attached to the votes, so we could weed out the unprofessional people here.

So because one doesn't agree with you, that makes us unprofessional and needed to be weeded?
Good grief!! :banghead:
 
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So because one doesn't agree with you, that makes us unprofessional and needed to be weeded?
Good grief!! :banghead:

Yes, if you take a private message somebody sends you and post it in public, you're unprofessional. Do you do that? Are you ok with people posting private messages?

I actually can't believe this is even a debate. Are private messages ok to post in public. As if there is some struggle with the English language. As I said before, default rules for forum software even say that.
 
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Yes, if you take a private message somebody sends you and post it in public, you're unprofessional. Do you do that? Are you ok with people posting private messages?
As with most things in life, it comes down to intent. If it's shared in malice, then it could be considered unprofessional. If it's not shared with bad intentions, then there are many instances where I can see it being perfectly professional and not bothersome to either party.
 
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As with most things in life, it comes down to intent. If it's shared in malice, then it could be considered unprofessional. If it's not shared with bad intentions, then there are many instances where I can see it being perfectly professional and not bothersome to either party.

If they both agree, that would be one thing. What if one posted a private message and the other person had an issue with it, would you handle it?
 
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If they both agree, that would be one thing. What if one posted a private message and the other person had an issue with it, would you handle it?
We would only get involved if there was a rule violation, such as private personal information being shared:
One example of a time we would get involved is if sharing a DM violated one of our rules, such as sharing someone's home address publicly, because we don't allow that without explicit consent/permission from the home owner.

TOS:
You agree to not use the Service to submit or link to any Content that is abusive, unlawfully defamatory, hateful, threatening, ..., contains personal information of others, risks copyright infringement, encourages unlawful activity, or otherwise violates any laws.
 
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It always boils down to ethics!

Emails between two people should technically be private but we all know better. The way they are routed makes them easy to intercept. So we consider them not private and adjust our behaviour assuming they can be intercepted or even forwarded to another person by the intended recipient.

PM is really no different. We assume and hope they are private but what the recipient does with the message is really (and never will be) in our control. Trying to legislate that away by means of a forum rule is doomed to failure. In the end people will be people and if you tick someone off there is a risk they could seek retribution by posting or sharing the contents of the PM.

Use the feedback system and form your opinion on the intended recipient. I converse with a few members and trust them implicitly. I tell them about domains I am going after or seeking to register with no fear that they will betray my trust. It is because I have formed a relationship with them. Anyone sending me a first PM will get a pretty generic response back from me until they have shown me they are trustworthy.

So unfortunately no black or white on this one, just shades of grey.
 
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That may have been what you meant but that is not what you said! You said anybody that "Voted" against your position should be deemed as unprofessional and weeded out. I agree with you that sharing a DM in most cases could be and should be seen as unprofessional but you have had many industry professionals here already state it's a fallacy to believe this is something (complete privacy) that can be maintained and it's their corporate policy, that it isn't. Voting that it's ok to post a DM in "certain situations" doesn't make us unprofessional at all, as pointed out here by industry professionals!
 
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So Frank, if you message me about something, gave me information just meant for me, you would be ok with me taking that and posting it publicly?

NO

but you can't produce PRIVATE in a public medium
impossible
 
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I just want to add that we don't have rules for a lot of behaviors/conducts/etiquettes/techniques, and some members avoid others who don't share their opinions/beliefs in what is acceptable vs. unacceptable. That's their choice/right. An example is that some members will not bid on auctions of sellers who use BIN prices. It's the seller's right to offer a BIN price in an auction and it is the buyer's right to not participate in that auction because of it. We've been asked many times to add a rule disallowing BIN prices in auctions, but the community can handle that themselves as I explained. Everyone is able to choose what they feel is right/wrong, fair/unfair, and whether they want to interact with members who don't share their views.

We try to reserve the rules for as few things as possible (we remove and loosen rules often) to keep things running reasonably well, and then we give the community the freedom to decide on the rest for themselves, individually. It's similar to the real world: if you tell Joey a secret and he tells the whole office, then you know not to tell Joey your secrets anymore and maybe you stop talking to Joey. However, your employer isn't going to create a company policy that dictates, "If a coworker tells you a secret, you must never share that secret with the office."


I hope that helps explain it,
 
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if you tell Joey a secret and he tells the whole office, then you know not to tell Joey your secrets anymore and maybe you stop talking to Joey.

The bottom line is: Joey's a rat, and we all know what happens to a rat! :xf.wink:
 
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Remind me not to PM anybody.
 
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I gave up!

Simple rules and even a fifth grader can understand it:

Direct messages mean private information between members and are not allowed to disclose to the public.

Why do we make such a big deal and create poll and wait for the Congress to approve?

I am done here.
 
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As a side note to all of this great debate, for those that may have missed it, this was brought to the forefront because a few days ago, someone thoughtlessly, did in fact post a screenshot of a DM and was promptly and rightfully so, jumped on by many members. The poster subsequently, and unsuccessfully tried to get the post removed and also profusely apologized about a half dozen times to the other member and the community at large for their lack of professionalism by doing so. So, in retrospect, the community policed itself properly, like Eric is claiming NamePros likes it to do. And finally, in my first 5 months as an active member on NamePros it was the very first time I have seen a DM publicly shared, so I don't think anyone should be worried about using the DM system if it works for you!
 
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if you tell Joey a secret and he tells the whole office, then you know not to tell Joey your secrets anymore and maybe you stop talking to Joey. However, your employer isn't going to create a company policy that dictates, "If a coworker tells you a secret, you must never share that secret with the office." I hope that helps explain it,
I love it and yeah, Joey is a rat BUT damn if there aren't places (and people) out there that would try to make it a rule/policy/etc AND that is happening more and more and part of what is so screwed up with the world we are making for ourselves.

We try to reserve the rules for as few things as possible (we remove and loosen rules often) to keep things running reasonably well, and then we give the community the freedom to decide on the rest for themselves, individually.
Yes, thank you for that. Let common sense rule at times. For rules to be made they must be made in black and white but that makes gray and life is full of gray areas that needs common sense to dictate.
 
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It's similar to the real world: if you tell Joey a secret and he tells the whole office, then you know not to tell Joey your secrets anymore and maybe you stop talking to Joey. However, your employer isn't going to create a company policy that dictates, "If a coworker tells you a secret, you must never share that secret with the office."
I hope that helps explain it,

Yes..... absolutely bang on (y)
 
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Ok, just wanted to clarify. So you can post private business dealings/discussions in public. Even if one the participants doesn't want it and tells you, doesn't matter, it stays.

You make a good point except in this case the second party has not stepped forward and asked for the topic to be deleted. It was only the OP and members that mentioned that. I cannot speak for Eric but I think he would give it a second look if the second party asked for the topic to be deleted.
 
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