question Caught by DropCatch, NameBright name servers, listed in HugeDomains!!!

I backordered an extremely random domain that I never thought would be caught by anyone else and hugedomains beat me to it and listed it for a few grand. I then changed the name of my startup and bought a different name.

Hi peeps,
I am new here, and really only so that I can ask a question, because I am just a "civilian" and not in the domain industry... so thanks ahead of time for any expertise.
Basically, the situation is that I had my own name domain, and then lost it due to hardship, and apparently some big company scooped it up after learning of it from my dns (who apparently sells this kind of info to folks like you all ) and now the company wants to sell it back to me for way more money than I would be able to buy it for.
What do I need to do about this?
And how do I get in touch with this Andrew Reberry fellow, who seems to be the owner of the company?
I can see that he is wonderfully clever, that this is just his business, and I congratulate him on his success, but I would like my domain returned at a reasonable price, as I am the rightful owner of it.
Like I said, I am just an individual and not a wheeler and dealer with unlimited resources for this sort of thing.
Thanks again to anyone who can help with this.
AMAY

@Amay Did you let it expire? If so you are no longer the rightful owner and likely that's what happened. If your business and domain are trademarked, you may have some recourse, but be prepared to spend money. As for finding the guy named, didnt he give you contact information?

A quick search finds your Andrew. Seems he runs Back Order Zone. That is a company that "catches" expired domains. If that's what happened, and it sure seems like it, it was completely legal. BTW, your name and information is public record to anyone unless you pay for privacy service.

Amay said:

Hi peeps,
I am new here, and really only so that I can ask a question, because I am just a "civilian" and not in the domain industry... so thanks ahead of time for any expertise.
Basically, the situation is that I had my own name domain, and then lost it due to hardship, and apparently some big company scooped it up after learning of it from my dns (who apparently sells this kind of info to folks like you all ) and now the company wants to sell it back to me for way more money than I would be able to buy it for.
What do I need to do about this?
And how do I get in touch with this Andrew Reberry fellow, who seems to be the owner of the company?
I can see that he is wonderfully clever, that this is just his business, and I congratulate him on his success, but I would like my domain returned at a reasonable price, as I am the rightful owner of it.
Like I said, I am just an individual and not a wheeler and dealer with unlimited resources for this sort of thing.
Thanks again to anyone who can help with this.
AMAY

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We have all lost valuable domain names due to our being negligent and forgetting to renew them Amay. When you don't pay the renewal fee, you lose all rights to the domain. Sorry.

You may want to approach the new owner of the domain and ask for a payment plan that you can afford.

korganian said:

We have all lost valuable domain names due to our being negligent and forgetting to renew them Amay. When you don't pay the renewal fee, you lose all rights to the domain. Sorry.

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We haven't all. Sorry, but it is completely avoidable.

Amay said:

Hi peeps,
I am new here, and really only so that I can ask a question, because I am just a "civilian" and not in the domain industry... so thanks ahead of time for any expertise.
Basically, the situation is that I had my own name domain, and then lost it due to hardship, and apparently some big company scooped it up after learning of it from my dns (who apparently sells this kind of info to folks like you all ) and now the company wants to sell it back to me for way more money than I would be able to buy it for.
What do I need to do about this?
And how do I get in touch with this Andrew Reberry fellow, who seems to be the owner of the company?
I can see that he is wonderfully clever, that this is just his business, and I congratulate him on his success, but I would like my domain returned at a reasonable price, as I am the rightful owner of it.
Like I said, I am just an individual and not a wheeler and dealer with unlimited resources for this sort of thing.
Thanks again to anyone who can help with this.
AMAY

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If you ask for a discount. They'll jack up the price. Really. I wouldn't try to negotiate with them.

cocaseco said:

A quick search finds your Andrew. Seems he runs Back Order Zone. That is a company that "catches" expired domains. If that's what happened, and it sure seems like it, it was completely legal. BTW, your name and information is public record to anyone unless you pay for privacy service.

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I don't think Andrew Reberry has anything to do with BackOderZone.

Hi everyone,

Thanks so much for your replies, and for the info. My apologies for not responding earlier, I thought I would receive an automated email telling me that someone had replied to the thread.

@cocaseco
Yes, I know it is technically "legal," as I was unable to renew my domain on time, and it is not a trademarked name, however, it is still crappy that it would have ended up as a commodity that was for sale and purchased by someone whom it means nothing to who in turn jacked up the price to something far beyond what I am capable of paying to get it back.
Ya ya ya, I know what your thinking..... that's just business right? maybe so, but sometimes the impersonal and perhaps in some cases greedy actions of businessmen "just doing their jobs" does in fact have negative impact on the unsuspecting ordinary folks.
And just because this guy has software that catches expiring domains, and it is legal to do so, It does not make him the true "rightful" owner, as he is not the one who created the domain in the first place.
Legal owner technically, but not rightful or entitled owner.
But thank you for your reply and for your insights. Truly appreciated.

@stub
I agree that the company that has sniped my domain is likely to jack up the price if I deal with their sales people (who only know how to follow protocol), and may be fine for a company who has a budget for that sort of thing, but I am just an individual on a personal mission and not a broker.
My objective of this post was to somehow contact the actual owner of the company, whom I believe has posted on here before, and speak to him directly as a human being, rather than going through his automated obstacle course that is upheld by his minions sitting in a call center somewhere in BFE.
It is my understanding that this Andrew Reberry fellow has several LLC's of different names but all essentially do the same thing.
Thanks for your comments and insights.

@korganian
thanks for your reply, and for your suggestion. I appreciate your trying to find a solution to assist me, but in all honesty, the idea of getting on a payment plan to some random and unaccountable company so as to reclaim what is rightfully mine, actually makes me throw-up in my mouth a little bit.
Thanks anyways.

Domains are commodities, and they have value. Especially a domain that had traffic. It's not a matter of it "just being business", it's that he found something valuable laying on the street and picked it up. He is not alone in having computers to snatch up expired domains, it's an entire industry with dozens of big name companies grabbing expired domain every single day, and probably thousands of individuals running similar software at home. Unfortunately, just because you were the first person to register a specific set of letters for a domain, does not mean it is rightfully yours forever. It came with obligations and responsibilities. I'm sorry you lost your name, best bet is to try and find another if you don't want to buy the original back.

cocaseco said:

Domains are commodities, and they have value. Especially a domain that had traffic. It's not a matter of it "just being business", it's that he found something valuable laying on the street and picked it up. He is not alone in having computers to snatch up expired domains, it's an entire industry with dozens of big name companies grabbing expired domain every single day, and probably thousands of individuals running similar software at home. Unfortunately, just because you were the first person to register a specific set of letters for a domain, does not mean it is rightfully yours forever. It came with obligations and responsibilities. I'm sorry you lost your name, best bet is to try and find another if you don't want to buy the original back.

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Yes, I can see how domain names and even personal names can be commodities. No, My name is not Martha Stewart, and no my name is not trademarked....but it is mine, and the domain of the same name did not exist until I created it..... which in a philosophical sense makes it rightfully mine.
It is not a serial number on a green piece of paper that some kid found lying on the street. It was tucked away in a database which was sold at auction upon its expiration to the highest bidding software, and has no meaning to the new legal owner as anything other than something that has the potential to be used to make money from anything or anybody who might be interested in it.
I would understand a company putting what I consider to be an outrageously high price on something that could be an obvious revenue generator (like a 900 number that happened to spell a word related to the product) as I can see that such domains are indeed commodities, but when the name is obviously a personal one, then the high price is no longer about just generating an honest revenue by means of selling goods and services, but rather moves into the extortion category, even if it is not technically illegal.
This is why I would like to speak to the owner of the company and the operator of the software that sniped the domain, as I am quite sure that he has no idea that he even owns it, and is actually of little value to him, but his software and minions are not capable of seeing this, and only programmed to follow protocol, which means jacking up the price if anyone or anything comes sniffing around. BAD ROBOTS! NO DATA FOR YOU!
LOL
anyways,
Thanks for your reply, for caring and for trying to give me another point of view, I just can't accept it...
and its not that I do not want to buy it back, its that I do not have the budget for how much this guy's company is asking..... because I am an individual, not a broker or an LLC.
So if you have Andrew Reberry's actual personal contact info, please do pass it along, so that we can converse human to human.
Otherwise, please do not waste any more of your time on this issue, and have yourself a lovely day!

Hi again,
not that anybody really cares, or that anyone other than myself might actually read this, but I feel compelled to make a couple clarifications about my earlier posts
1.) although I am not a broker or a wheeler and dealer of domain names, and just an individual looking to reclaim their name domain, I should clarify that I actually do not fit under the "ordinary Folks" category of persons I mentioned above,
and 2.) The idea of paying a one time reasonable fee for the re-acquisition of my self-created and rightful domain does not in itself make me feel barfy per se, but rather it is the idea of needing to get on a payment plan because the price of it has been set at such an unreasonable (and in my opinion inappropriate and even extortionate) level. Otherwise, given the right price, I am capable of seeing Mr Reberry's indiscriminate sniping of my domain as nothing but a temporary care-taking of it in my involuntary absence, and worthy of just payment for services rendered.

photonmymind said:

Sometimes NB drops some of they names they caught

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Hey @photonmymind, I experienced a similar episode today. Due to some credit card issue, I could not order a domain I wanted today at DropCatch so I thought I will try to hand register as soon as it drops. It was not a very good word actually but still namebright picked it up. I did a google search if this has happened to someone else too and found this thread.

Basically, I have the same question - Are you saying you get the domains when they dropped them the following year, or do they drop them sooner ? How soon ( days, months, or a year) have you seen the namebright guys drop the domain ? The answer stub gave is not very clear tbh.

Since I seek the answer to an already asked question in this thread, I thought there i no need for a new thread. Thanks for your time.

Sometimes they'll drop them within the first 5 days (grace period). If not, I'm afraid you may have to wait a year and hope they drop it. Anything could happen though