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The views expressed on this page by users and staff are their own, not those of NamePros.
My reasoning is based on factual evidence. I've even referenced the guy who created the entire DNS system.
I know who Mockapetris is, and I have a lot of respect for Internet pioneers.
He knows about tech, but does not dictate trends or end user choices.
It's good to listen to other people, but recognize when they are venturing outside their field of expertise. Marketing is not his thing. I wouldn't take investment lessons from a computer scientist.

New extensions are necessary to further segment the organization of the internet, its not just for end users its for everyone.
In plain English for end users ?

Why do you people keep talking out of their @sses?
Because we are noobs :) I started domaining last week.

Seriously, if you are basing your investments on one single opinion, no matter how authoritative, you're wearing blinders on.
Personally I am more interested in observing reality. Until I see new extensions gaining traction in the real world (not just in virtual numbers) I am skeptical.
.biz has been around for 15 years, and it is used by real end users. It has 2.5M regs today. Yet domainers have never been excited about it. Nobody takes it seriously.
But now domainers are excited about strings that get fewer than 50K regs because they are - so we are told - the future. What about accounting for the present ?
 
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a single sale is NOT a reliable test for anything... If you have a bunch of sales OK. To me this sounds like another desperate attempt to 'prove' that .com is not worth anything anymore. It's pathetic really.

If they were really selling so well they wouldn't need this crap.

there is not a single New"G" supporter bent on proving .com isn't worth anything or that it will die on the vine. That propaganda
comes from the .commie camp. Use of extremes is a fear mongering tactic from individuals adverse to risk, change.
All of the New "G" supporters I know also promote and sell .coms and understand .com will be around with value forever. that being said, ROI's on .coms are thinning. There are more losses than gains this year in resales. check Namebio this is a first for .coms
Is it an anomaly? time will tell.
New.Life is correct in suggesting investors are holding for long term gains just like .com investors do..
Most large dollar sales also have a hold of 5+ years prior to sale. Some 10+ years.
Domainer's promote domains, .commies promote .coms
If your really "for the end user" or "want to change the world" you'll promote the best possible available cost effective solution
for your client and not your personal agenda.
From the New "G" supporters perspective there is nothing wrong with only promoting .com but there is definitely everything wrong
with .commies trashing everything but.com
Cheers!
 
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@dordomai

Serious question, do you still own your new g's or did you cancel them all?

I recall several...

as far as I remember I bought 2 but changed my mind and grace deleted them the next day.

If your really "for the end user" or "want to change the world" you'll promote the best possible available cost effective solution

I am neither. I think releasing too many extensions at once is bad for the internet.

I do believe that the most effective solution for a business is to buy a .com for a price that does not hurt you financially. I think that can be done.

If you are small web developer and trying to experiment or launch a small project or if you want to launch a personal blog whatever or perhaps you are a small offline business that doesn't depend that much on online sales, or if you are doing some SEO and affiliate marketing, i think using a nGTLD is perfectly fine. I might possibly do the same.

What I wouldn't do, or recommend is, if you are taking a long term view and you want to build an online brand, or you are a startup to build on a nGTLD. Or paying big bucks for an exact match nGTLD.
I think that is a very bad idea.
 
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Here's the link to download courtesy by Chris Zuiker
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I know who Mockapetris is, and I have a lot of respect for Internet pioneers.
He knows about tech, but does not dictate trends or end user choices.
It's good to listen to other people, but recognize when they are venturing outside their field of expertise. Marketing is not his thing. I wouldn't take investment lessons from a computer scientist.

In plain English for end users ?

Because we are noobs :) I started domaining last week.

Seriously, if you are basing your investments on one single opinion, no matter how authoritative, you're wearing blinders on.
Personally I am more interested in observing reality. Until I see new extensions gaining traction in the real world (not just in virtual numbers) I am skeptical.
.biz has been around for 15 years, and it is used by real end users. It has 2.5M regs today. Yet domainers have never been excited about it. Nobody takes it seriously.
But now domainers are excited about strings that get fewer than 50K regs because they are - so we are told - the future. What about accounting for the present ?

"Seriously, if you are basing your investments on one single opinion, no matter how authoritative, you're wearing blinders on".

Seriously, quite a bold assumption on your part. A rather extreme statement. I would add I wouldn't base my investments on an "observer" either. An observers opinion is just as worthless since they don't have any skin in the game. Caution is good and so is enthusiasm. Your skepticism is understandable given the crap alternate choices of the past. The choices today are far better and much more relevant. "Waiting" to "see" which ones will stick isn't a strategy that investors subscribe to and investors are absolutely necessary to create the foundation of an aftermarket. End users don't create aftermarkets. What they buy and use are off of the
market. The domain "Market" would be dismal not even close to what it is today without good and bad investors.
Crappy .com inventories are going to drop just as fast as crappy New "G"s. Of course good .coms will remain. So will good New "G"s
and if you choose to wait then you miss the best buys. As the saying goes the profit is in the buy.

The future isn't possible without walking away from the present as the present is always moving toward the past.

Cheers
 
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there is not a single New"G" supporter bent on proving .com isn't worth anything or that it will die on the vine. That propaganda
comes from the .commie camp. Use of extremes is a fear mongering tactic from individuals adverse to risk, change.
All of the New "G" supporters I know also promote and sell .coms and understand .com will be around with value forever. that being said, ROI's on .coms are thinning. There are more losses than gains this year in resales. check Namebio this is a first for .coms
Is it an anomaly? time will tell.
New.Life is correct in suggesting investors are holding for long term gains just like .com investors do..
Most large dollar sales also have a hold of 5+ years prior to sale. Some 10+ years.
Domainer's promote domains, .commies promote .coms
If your really "for the end user" or "want to change the world" you'll promote the best possible available cost effective solution
for your client and not your personal agenda.
From the New "G" supporters perspective there is nothing wrong with only promoting .com but there is definitely everything wrong
with .commies trashing everything but.com
Cheers!

Part of being in business is the ability to adapt and my opinion based on what i'm now seeing is there does appear to be increasing demand for perfect domains that span the dot e.g. forex.trading which just sold on SEDO for around $5k and the like. Despite me owning 99% .com I expect that to start shifting over time and in the coming years.

Average new GTLD's simply won't cut it but great ones have a chance. If you can stock up on names like the above at decent reg prices AND if they have low renewals there is a chance going forward to make ROI.

Back to .coms -
"There are more losses than gains this year in resales. check Namebio this is a first for .coms
Is it an anomaly? time will tell."

I think this is an important point and part of an increasing trend that I am noticing and personally have seen with my own auctions on numerous occasions in the last 6 months. Names that even a year ago would fetch a certain price at auction unsold are sometimes only getting around a third of that price half a year - 1 year later.

It is equally true that some names are selling for substantially more than in the past, in particular great brandables etc. have solid demand at auction. I would say there is no doubt at all that holding out for big sales in .com with anything less than great names, (short/numeric or a phenomenal one word,) is far harder to achieve today as a rule of thumb, there are just too many good alternatives for a fraction of your quoted price. Thus, if you quote sensible you can close no problem at all but the point is your ROI is going down because of this.

Bottom line, new GTLD's are slowly making an impact on .com domain prices from what i'm seeing and I think that will continue. Ultra premium .coms are going to go up and up and anything else is a risk and could see continued decreases and margins squeezed IMO.
 
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"Seriously, if you are basing your investments on one single opinion, no matter how authoritative, you're wearing blinders on".

Seriously, quite a bold assumption on your part. A rather extreme statement. I would add I wouldn't base my investments on an "observer" either. An observers opinion is just as worthless since they don't have any skin in the game. Caution is good and so is enthusiasm. Your skepticism is understandable given the crap alternate choices of the past. The choices today are far better and much more relevant. "Waiting" to "see" which ones will stick isn't a strategy that investors subscribe to and investors are absolutely necessary to create the foundation of an aftermarket. End users don't create aftermarkets. What they buy and use are off of the
market. The domain "Market" would be dismal not even close to what it is today without good and bad investors.
Crappy .com inventories are going to drop just as fast as crappy New "G"s. Of course good .coms will remain. So will good New "G"s
and if you choose to wait then you miss the best buys. As the saying goes the profit is in the buy.

The future isn't possible without walking away from the present as the present is always moving toward the past.

Cheers

You are also making a bold assumption and have based your opinion on another's opinion. Data is what matters and there is no data suggesting nGTLDs are going to outshine .com. I'm sure you'll throw some registrations numbers at me, however, that is merely a vanity metric, a pissing contest. If we're going to flex, let me all about my big di....iploma.
 
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according to this the younger trust them less, maybe because they are more internet savy and learned to associate them with spam.



what makes you so sure that they will be changing something? Maybe they will block them?

Yes, the more web savvy you are the LESS likely you are to trust new domains.

Many IT admins have blanket blocked new TLDs due to spam. They don't do this with .com or .uk.
 
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Yes, the more web savvy you are the LESS likely you are to trust new domains.

Many IT admins have blanket blocked new TLDs due to spam. They don't do this with .com or .uk.

I'm in McDonalds at the moment using their free WiFi. Yahoo.com is blocked, Yahoo.co.uk is blocked - Yahoo.in is NOT blocked. :)
 
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as far as I remember I bought 2 but changed my mind and grace deleted them the next day.



I am neither. I think releasing too many extensions at once is bad for the internet.

I do believe that the most effective solution for a business is to buy a .com for a price that does not hurt you financially. I think that can be done.

If you are small web developer and trying to experiment or launch a small project or if you want to launch a personal blog whatever or perhaps you are a small offline business that doesn't depend that much on online sales, or if you are doing some SEO and affiliate marketing, i think using a nGTLD is perfectly fine. I might possibly do the same.

What I wouldn't do, or recommend is, if you are taking a long term view and you want to build an online brand, or you are a startup to build on a nGTLD. Or paying big bucks for an exact match nGTLD.
I think that is a very bad idea.

Wish you the best with your strategy. There's lots of room for other strategies too. Sorry, I just can't support positions that don't support the whole team and every team has bad players. It's like saying we only need the quarterback and the other players will never be as valuable. The team can survive without the quarterback. The quarterback cannot survive without the team.
Relevance will always be important and valuable.
that's how exact match and dictionary terms became so valuable and that is why "end users" will choose a more relevant New "G" over an obscure .com leftover. Relevance is a long term view
do you really tell clients anything other than a .com is a bad idea unless you can't afford it ? New "G"s are only good for playing around or experimenting ? There are a lot of .coms nobody wants one could "experiment" with. 99 cents for a whole year ! You will never be taken seriously without the legacy .com ? Why even bother with New "G"s at all when there are sooo many .com's nobody wants?
"buy a .com for a price that does not hurt you financially". Add to that,- You can spread out the real cost year after year marketing a brand identity that is trendy,miss spelled,obscure, doesn't pass the radio test and is irrelevant to your product or service. But seriously a leftover .com is the way to go unless you can't afford it.
Cheers
 
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Part of being in business is the ability to adapt and my opinion based on what i'm now seeing is there does appear to be increasing demand for perfect domains that span the dot e.g. forex.trading which just sold on SEDO for around $5k and the like. Despite me owning 99% .com I expect that to start shifting over time and in the coming years.

Average new GTLD's simply won't cut it but great ones have a chance. If you can stock up on names like the above at decent reg prices AND if they have low renewals there is a chance going forward to make ROI.

Back to .coms -
"There are more losses than gains this year in resales. check Namebio this is a first for .coms
Is it an anomaly? time will tell."

I think this is an important point and part of an increasing trend that I am noticing and personally have seen with my own auctions on numerous occasions in the last 6 months. Names that even a year ago would fetch a certain price at auction unsold are sometimes only getting around a third of that price half a year - 1 year later.

It is equally true that some names are selling for substantially more than in the past, in particular great brandables etc. have solid demand at auction. I would say there is no doubt at all that holding out for big sales in .com with anything less than great names, (short/numeric or a phenomenal one word,) is far harder to achieve today as a rule of thumb, there are just too many good alternatives for a fraction of your quoted price. Thus, if you quote sensible you can close no problem at all but the point is your ROI is going down because of this.

Bottom line, new GTLD's are slowly making an impact on .com domain prices from what i'm seeing and I think that will continue. Ultra premium .coms are going to go up and up and anything else is a risk and could see continued decreases and margins squeezed IMO.

All very astute points. I appreciate that you see what is being impacted even though ultra premium .coms will remain valuable. Another domainer mentioned zero .net sales this year vs consistent sales years prior. I also see several .com porfolios paring down.
Do you do any .net sales ?
Cheers
 
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I know who Mockapetris is, and I have a lot of respect for Internet pioneers.
He knows about tech, but does not dictate trends or end user choices.
It's good to listen to other people, but recognize when they are venturing outside their field of expertise. Marketing is not his thing. I wouldn't take investment lessons from a computer scientist.

In plain English for end users ?

Because we are noobs :) I started domaining last week.

Seriously, if you are basing your investments on one single opinion, no matter how authoritative, you're wearing blinders on.
Personally I am more interested in observing reality. Until I see new extensions gaining traction in the real world (not just in virtual numbers) I am skeptical.
.biz has been around for 15 years, and it is used by real end users. It has 2.5M regs today. Yet domainers have never been excited about it. Nobody takes it seriously.
But now domainers are excited about strings that get fewer than 50K regs because they are - so we are told - the future. What about accounting for the present ?


Poor comparisons,no sources and you only answer in rhetoric. I've already explained my position provided facts, sources and even stated that I spent at least 100 hours researching ngtlds before I invested in the 12 I currently own. As I've stated before your twisting this to make it look like you know what your talking about, when you know nothing. You and the dordomai guy also tried to do this in the X.company thread. Your open to your opinion but I'd like to point out that you've been called out and discredited numerous times, I think you should either rethink your approach or actually do the research because at this point you look as uninformed as every other ngtld hater.


Part of being in business is the ability to adapt and my opinion based on what i'm now seeing is there does appear to be increasing demand for perfect domains that span the dot e.g. forex.trading which just sold on SEDO for around $5k and the like. Despite me owning 99% .com I expect that to start shifting over time and in the coming years.

Average new GTLD's simply won't cut it but great ones have a chance. If you can stock up on names like the above at decent reg prices AND if they have low renewals there is a chance going forward to make ROI.

Back to .coms -
"There are more losses than gains this year in resales. check Namebio this is a first for .coms
Is it an anomaly? time will tell."

I think this is an important point and part of an increasing trend that I am noticing and personally have seen with my own auctions on numerous occasions in the last 6 months. Names that even a year ago would fetch a certain price at auction unsold are sometimes only getting around a third of that price half a year - 1 year later.

It is equally true that some names are selling for substantially more than in the past, in particular great brandables etc. have solid demand at auction. I would say there is no doubt at all that holding out for big sales in .com with anything less than great names, (short/numeric or a phenomenal one word,) is far harder to achieve today as a rule of thumb, there are just too many good alternatives for a fraction of your quoted price. Thus, if you quote sensible you can close no problem at all but the point is your ROI is going down because of this.

Bottom line, new GTLD's are slowly making an impact on .com domain prices from what i'm seeing and I think that will continue. Ultra premium .coms are going to go up and up and anything else is a risk and could see continued decreases and margins squeezed IMO.

I've said this 3 times already on this thread. People don't listen they will hate blindly, even though what your saying is the truth.
 
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You could find an equal or bigger number of experienced domainers or well known people in the domaining industry that would disagree with that. So what does that even mean?

According to your logic that must mean that more likely than not nGTLDs will not be successful.

Besides that I am sure that many on your list, while believing that nGTLD will have some potential, would disagree with your assertion that word.word will replace wordword.com in the future.


Why not just read everything I wrote instead of making quick, judgmental assumptions? I'm afraid that you still don't have the capacity to understand in detail what I have outlined in my responses. Either that or you feign ignorance. I never once said word.word would replace word+word.com and anyone who actually read what I wrote would say the same. I will AGAIN point out that you are stating useless rhetoric to try and make it look like you know what your talking about, when you know nothing.
 
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All very astute points. I appreciate that you see what is being impacted even though ultra premium .coms will remain valuable. Another domainer mentioned zero .net sales this year vs consistent sales years prior. I also see several .com porfolios paring down.
Do you do any .net sales ?
Cheers

I only own selfemployed.net which i bought recently, can't think of any others off hand so i'm the wrong person to ask about .net sales but other more high profile names in the industry who own a ton of premium .nets have stated sales are way down and recently I think media options said the market for .net is all but dead at present.

I also feel contrary to what most people think, .i.e. that they prefer .net to all gtld's and as .nets are dead so therefore all gtld's are not worthwhile. That is a load of old rubbish if you ask me. .Net is a decent enough extension with end user appeal and acceptance but you simply can't compare most .nets to a name like forex.trading.

As an end user (I am an end user as well as a domainer) I would go for that all day long over forextrading.net if I had to pay a premium for the .net. If I can't get the .com i'll buy forex.trading all day long for $5k and not bother with the .net unless I could get it for reg fee, but I certainly wouldn't pay up for it.

Thus .net is down and unlikely to come back up to anywhere close to the 10% of .coms we sometimes saw in the past.

You would have never seen me stating these sort of views even a few months ago but times are changing.
 
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To sum this up:

Claim: More and More Startups go after a nGTLD instead of a .com, .com is the past and will become obsolete.
Evidence: Company XY bought a nGTLD instead of .com(And Several others already listed in this thread.......very selective thinking here)
Fact: 99% of companies don't so far.---->Source?
Claim: They will do so in the future.
Evidence: There isn't any but we can keep talking about millennials, Google or any other mystical and powerful entity that will make that happen in some very special and complicated way that no one can understand but me.
Source has been provided. View interview with the creator of the DNS Paul Mockapetris.

Overall, you have provided fact-less claims while others have backed their claims with facts. Your approach to comparing sales has also been questioned and discredited by other users. You are also a regular poster on ngtld threads that bashes the hard work of others and undermines their potential. I think you should either take the time to do the research or refrain from making uninformed and quite frankly laughable statments towards a trend you have no real experience in. Honestly things have gone as far as someone having to show their own offers to shut you up and you still won't stop. End this nonsense, ignorance is a losing game.
 
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You could find an equal or bigger number of experienced domainers or well known people in the domaining industry that would disagree with that. So what does that even mean?

According to your logic that must mean that more likely than not nGTLDs will not be successful.

Besides that I am sure that many on your list, while believing that nGTLD will have some potential, would disagree with your assertion that word.word will replace wordword.com in the future.

Find me a bigger list. I implore you. It means exactly as advertised, asking me what it means is only a mechanism to feign ignorance.
 
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Stop trying to analyze crumbs. Just look at the macro picture regarding domain extensions: over 1,300 ngtlds available. The market potential for domain names is marginal at best.
 
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You are also making a bold assumption and have based your opinion on another's opinion. Data is what matters and there is no data suggesting nGTLDs are going to outshine .com. I'm sure you'll throw some registrations numbers at me, however, that is merely a vanity metric, a pissing contest. If we're going to flex, let me all about my big di....iploma.

How is it you know my opinions are based on another's opinion ? Where is your data ?
It's been quite some time since another's opinion mattered to me. I have the luxury of not having to give a d*mn.
I never suggested New "G"s are going to "outshine" .com Again, statements like that are .commie propaganda.
What I do suggest is relevance will continue to be a leading factor and there is all kinds of data that supports that.
I could give a rat's *ss about registration numbers. Numbers are routinely manipulated all day long in every industry.
Just how could you be so sure I would use reg numbers to defend my opinion ? First, I don't need to defend my opinion
it is what it is, yet another bold assumption by what I perceive to be another .commie that has joined the party?
Nothing wrong with being a .commie. staunch support of a legend is admirable. I have, for many years and will continue to,
support .coms I will also stand in support of the New "G"s that are out there busting their butts promoting for the benefit of the industry. I will not support New "G"s that sit on their *ss and do nothing. That includes Registrars and Auction platforms.
What is wrong with being a .commie is trashing supporters of New"G"s and intentionally misrepresenting some facts and completely ignoring others. As I have stated before, New "G" supporters aren't out to destroy .com We support .com right along side the others and also want the new growth (NEW "G"s) in verticals and start ups. Copious amounts of verticals and start ups in the pipeline. enough for both camps Game On! :)

"If we're going to flex, let me all about my big di....iploma" Funny Dude. Since you had to say it, it says a lot about how your
big di...iploma has benefited you. Carry on......
Since you do seem to have a perceptible level of intelligence beyond your ability to flex I'll make no assumptions about you going forward. No dis intended.
 
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What do you all think are the best new TLDs that have been around since 2014?
In terms of
  • usage and development (do any of you have data)
  • sales (okay, these might not be very good yet since it's early. or many are private as people have been saying)
  • how often you see them around
I personally can't speak for how often I see them, because I almost never do.

https://www.namepros.com/a/2016/09/55501_9961b2287d64a0064d95488339dcdd71.jpg
 
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How is it you know my opinions are based on another's opinion ? Where is your data ?
It's been quite some time since another's opinion mattered to me. I have the luxury of not having to give a d*mn.
I never suggested New "G"s are going to "outshine" .com Again, statements like that are .commie propaganda.
What I do suggest is relevance will continue to be a leading factor and there is all kinds of data that supports that.
I could give a rat's *ss about registration numbers. Numbers are routinely manipulated all day long in every industry.
Just how could you be so sure I would use reg numbers to defend my opinion ? First, I don't need to defend my opinion
it is what it is, yet another bold assumption by what I perceive to be another .commie that has joined the party?
Nothing wrong with being a .commie. staunch support of a legend is admirable. I have, for many years and will continue to,
support .coms I will also stand in support of the New "G"s that are out there busting their butts promoting for the benefit of the industry. I will not support New "G"s that sit on their *ss and do nothing. That includes Registrars and Auction platforms.
What is wrong with being a .commie is trashing supporters of New"G"s and intentionally misrepresenting some facts and completely ignoring others. As I have stated before, New "G" supporters aren't out to destroy .com We support .com right along side the others and also want the new growth (NEW "G"s) in verticals and start ups. Copious amounts of verticals and start ups in the pipeline. enough for both camps Game On! :)

"If we're going to flex, let me all about my big di....iploma" Funny Dude. Since you had to say it, it says a lot about how your
big di...iploma has benefited you. Carry on......
Since you do seem to have a perceptible level of intelligence beyond your ability to flex I'll make no assumptions about you going forward. No dis intended.

I couldn't give a shit about .com. The market is slowing in general. I don't rely on domains for income at this point. This whole industry should be seen as a stepping stone to something better. When considering how the Internet is transforming, anyone who thinks domains will be relevant in 20 years in a idiot in my book. Unfortunately for you, it will take that almost that long for the general public to trust and accept them. So good luck with your fruitless endeavors.
 
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I personally can't speak for how often I see them, because I almost never do.

Not even using a single website that uses them. Very rarely see them in search results. Almost never visit any site. In the real world they are dead. Not biased or making this up just personal experience.

Despite that I am supposed to believe that they are hot and businesses are using them.
 
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Here's the link to download courtesy by Chris Zuiker
https://www.mediaoptions.com/domain-strategies-ebook

Blanket statement. Since when is forex.trading or easy.credit a bad domain name? This statement applies only to low level .coms and low level ngtlds that actually require a significant amount of marketing expenditure to garner acceptable organic search results. This is very selective thinking and what your trying to do is use an illegitimate example to paint a twisted picture of reality, many of your posts have been like this and tbh it's very unimpressive. That statement is relevant to every domain, eiurhieurhf.com will be just as shit as wiourhowrhow.horse.
 
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The Gutenberg bible was first published in 1455 - it is still knowm by that name.
There is no evidence that a web site created now will not still have the same name in 20 years time. However, it's content and format will probably change, but the name will still be around.
 
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Blanket statement. Since when is forex.trading or easy.credit a bad domain name? This statement applies only to low level .coms and low level ngtlds that actually require a significant amount of marketing expenditure to garner acceptable organic search results. This is very selective thinking and what your trying to do is use an illegitimate example to paint a twisted picture of reality, many of your posts have been like this and tbh it's very unimpressive. That statement is relevant to every domain, eiurhieurhf.com will be just as sh*t as wiourhowrhow.horse.

Average joe reaction to eiurhieurhf.com:

what a sh*tty URL let's figure out what this is about. Visits site.

Average joe reaction to wiourhowrhow.horse:

WTF does this mean??? Moves on.
 
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