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I'm catching the tail end of this, seems to be some kind of controversy...

https://domaingang.com/domain-news/rob-monster-off-twitter-after-christchurch-massacre-controversy/

Must be something odd to evoke this type of a response from one of our members.

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The views expressed on this page by users and staff are their own, not those of NamePros.
As I mentioned earlier we are at a crossroads, the humanity can make a leap and enter a new era of peace and harmony, or be destroyed by the many different threats that are simmering around us. We can use our intuition, wisdom, and common sense along with advances in technology such as Artificial Intelligence to help create a better World that is based on logic, compassion, and Universal rights and values or continue on the same course as we are which most likely will end in destruction and extinction especially if Artificial Intelligence is used in the future to make more Wars or to suppress and oppress people even more.

On the subject of medical tyranny that was mentioned by Rob, I believe if humanity chooses the right path, we might be able to use technology to solve many of our problems. I have used some of my domains in the past to express my thoughts on some of these subjects.

We are shaping the future by our decisions and actions (and our thoughts), what we do now is going to have profound effects on how the World is going to look like in the coming years. Heaven or Hell it's going to be a choice that the present generation of man kind has to make for the ages.

www.AiMedicalCenter.com

www.GlobalReform.com

www.UniversalHumanRights.net

Good luck to everyone, it was nice to hear all your opinions,

Now signing off to go back to my favorite hobby: domaining :)
 
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Here's an example of the free speech Rob claims to be protecting. This is from the front page of news on g**.

https://gab.com/AntiZogAction/posts/Q2RZbFBLUzhCOXRLT09KUTFoZytzQT09

I fail to understand in good conscience how rob can justify providing a platform that allows and encourages this type of speech. .

That is awful stuff. I wouldn't want to show it to anyone, but it is relevant to what follows in this post
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Now let's have a look at the Epik.com Tos for domain registrants, including the above gab.com
https://www.epik.com/registration.php

Epik.com may also cancel the registration of a domain name, after thirty (30) days, if that name is being used, as determined by Epik.com in its sole discretion, in association with spam or morally objectionable activities. Morally objectionable activities will include, but not be limited to: activities designed to defame, embarrass, harm, abuse, threaten, slander or harass third parties; activities prohibited by the laws of the United States and/or foreign territories in which You conduct business; activities designed to encourage unlawful behavior by others, such as hate crimes, terrorism and child pornography; activities that are tortious, vulgar, obscene, invasive of the privacy of a third party, racially, ethnically, or otherwise objectionable; activities designed to impersonate the identity of a third party; and activities designed to harm or use unethically minors in any way.

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So what action will Epik take?

Will my post about Homeless Domains become topical sooner than expected?
https://www.namepros.com/threads/so...er-or-suspension.1107245/page-23#post-7168249
 
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That is awful stuff. I wouldn't want to show it to anyone, but it is relevant to what follows in this postShow attachment 113878

Now let's have a look at the Epik.com Tos for domain registrants, including the above gab.com
https://www.epik.com/registration.php



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So what action will Epik take?

Will my post about Homeless Domains become topical sooner than expected?
There is no defense for that language. Completely intolerable for a peaceful society. I can only hope that Gab takes action and closes (suspends) such accounts and users. Just as Facebook, Twitter and others do when hate speech is found on their platforms.

Lets not forget that hate speech is found on all social media platforms. The largest one being Facebook is constantly struggling to keep up with the problem of hate speech, but the media seems content to pick on the smaller social media sites.

Disclosure: I am not a user of Gab. I have never made an account nor have I visited the site.
 
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Hate and racism can be very complex issues, if we let them.

Just think about this...

There are certain people that are racist and hateful even within their own race. There are Mexicans that put down other Mexicans. I know, my in-laws are Mexican (and wonderful people). Germans dislike other Germans. My step-father was German, and I have German friends that told me so. I am Polish and know that even Poles can hate each other. And just look at the racial, class, and political divides in the US. I am sure the same can be said of other nations as well.

So you can imagine how much worse those same individuals would think about immigrants, who are truly of a different nationality, race and culture.

But to insert this narrative into a public profile like that of RM, and drag Epik along with the rest of us into this, is totally nuts.

How Epik responds will determine their longevity. How we respond will determine the longevity of domaining as a mainstream industry (we are yet to see it become one).

The big social media platforms are grappling with this issue already as well.
 
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There is no defense for that language. Completely intolerable for a peaceful society. I can only hope that Gab takes action and closes (suspends) such accounts and users. Just as Facebook, Twitter and others do when hate speech is found on their platforms.

Lets not forget that hate speech is found on all social media platforms. The largest one being Facebook is constantly struggling to keep up with the problem of hate speech, but the media seems content to pick on the smaller social media sites.

Disclosure: I am not a user of Gab. I have never made an account nor have I visited the site.
Yet Rob, in his finite wisdom, disliked my post. Certainly he can, but I give a failing grade for his lack of action or even response.

Did someone say Rob is a quality, intelligent person?

Have I so hurt Robs widdle feewings that he can't find words?

I suppose he has his widdle weasons.

I don't know of any Christian like Rob.
 
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Did someone say Rob is a quality, intelligent person?

I can't remember


I don't know of any Christian like Rob.

everybody can believe whatever they want

but to irrelevantly publish about it in every -let's say- 4th post
that doesn't make somebody a Christian

no I have never seen that before
and I wish I hadn't this time
 
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God forbid some member of gab commits a major crime. All the while Erik leadership was aware and didn't even enforce their terms of service. Mr. Monster single handedly resurrected that hate site despite his complete knowledge of what his actions meant.

All this might become evidence.
 
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By the way, I am also concerned how NamePros and other industry forums and blogs respond to this as well. So far crickets from the majority of them. Silence on hate speech is tantamount to condoning or, at minimum, indifference. Especially when it hits this close to home.
 
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By the way, I am also concerned how NamePros and other industry forums and blogs respond to this as well. So far crickets from the majority of them. Silence on hate speech is tantamount to condoning or, at minimum, indifference. Especially when it hits this close to home.
It's been my experience that NP vigorously enforces its TOS and its rules of conduct. And they don't play favorites.
 
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EU votes to effectively ban memes electronically as Article 13 'copyright filter' passes.
 
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That is awful stuff. ... So what action will Epik take

Some moral questions are simple. That Gab post is reprehensible – utterly despicable and vile. Many of the comments underneath it applaud the idea of non-white people dying and use racist slurs. No decent person should hesitate to condemn that.

Are stabbings a real problem? That is a separate question that could be addressed without suggesting that immigrants are subhuman. Is the person advocating murder? No, they are hoping that criminals will kill each other. Nonetheless, the racist presentation is still morally wrong. It's a small step from (A) talking about immigrants as subhuman, blurring the line between immigrants and criminality itself, wishing for them the murder one another ... to (B) someone deciding he should murder them himself.

Speech is dangerous. It changes the way people think. But that works in both directions.

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Some moral questions are complex. Like freedom of speech. Gab.com is a website with its own management. Epik is only the registrar where the domain's whois contact information and name server values are recorded. The website and all its files are hosted by some other company.

Who should police what is said on a website? There are various options:
  • Website management
  • Law enforcement agencies
  • Web hosting companies
  • Domain registrars
  • Members of the general public who dislike what they see
  • Payment processors like Paypal
In various circumstances, all of these entities get involved. For example, a registrar will often disrupt the name servers while investigating an alleged phishing scam, since time is of the essence to protect consumers.

Consider a forum you're more familiar with: NamePros. Sometimes an offensive post is published by someone at NamePros as well. What should happen, and who should take action? Ordinarily, the NamePros moderators intervene. Arguably, it makes the most sense for a website owner to take responsibility for their site's content. They or their staff would censor themselves according to their own policies or opinions or whims.

Some websites have strict or arbitrary practices about censorship and ban comments simply because they disagree with them. At the other extreme, there are sites like Gab that have very permissive policies – virtually no censorship at all. Wether Gab deliberately caters to racists or has simply attracted them because of its lenient free-speech posture, the site seems to be full of very offensive, openly racist content – sometimes with overtones of violence.

What to do about that? Who determines when offensive comments cross the line and need to be censored? Few people would suggest that a domain registrar like Dynadot needs to be engaged in moderating comments at NamePros just because NamePros.com is registered at Dynadot. Likewise, Epik's role as a registrar isn't to police the freely expressed content on forums, blogs, blog comments, business claims on small-business websites.

Speech can go too far in endorsing violence. All of us would agree with that. Epik banned a website that was advocating the rape of women. Rob didn't hesitate to do make that judgment call. The website's very existence was arguably devoted to a crime. But it's a more complicated judgment when the site is an open forum where anyone can join and say what they please.

Like any registrar, Epik relies on law enforcement agencies to police crimes. When Epik received a subpoena related to Gab, which occurred almost immediately after the domain transferred from GoDaddy to Epik, we complied fully with that subpoena. There wasn't much meaningful documentation to submit, since Epik doesn't host the site; and it had only spent perhaps a couple of weeks at Epik, after a long period at GoDaddy. But my point is this: If Gab management fails to regulate the most extreme rhetoric on their site, then some statements by Gab members may rise to the level of a criminal investigation. And at that point, registrars and web hosts comply fully with authorities. So any forum, including Gab, finds itself obliged to pay attention to some degree.

It isn't and should not be the responsibility of domain registrars to police or censor online content. That usurps the role of the website owner or law enforcement agencies. This doesn't mean that registrars don't act to suspend domains. Phishing, spam, malware distribution, child pornography, and other cases are obviously illegal or harmful. But registrars don't adjudicate trademark disputes. That's done via the UDRP or other policy. Despite strong public pressure for GoDaddy or Epik to de-platform websites like Gab (and others of a completely different nature), domain registrars are not the censors of the web. On the contrary, domain registrars enable content to be delivered as such. The responsibility of determining what content should be prohibited falls mainly to the website owner, citizens who indirectly vote for local laws, and law enforcement agencies that should exert proper vigilance.

It is inevitable that some forum will become the repository of extreme racist views. It's simply a consequence of censorship on more mainstream venues like Twitter and FaceBook, which ban much of the overt racism or violent rhetoric. Those people still exist and will go elsewhere. Even a website with the most noble free-speech goals would end up a haven for people with extreme viewpoints that are forbidden everywhere else. In saying that, I don't mean to imply that Gab is noble. But there is an undeniable connection between censorship on mainstream sites and concentrated extremism on fringe sites.

My own view is that violent rhetoric ought to appear on Facebook or Twitter – mainstream venues where a person's acquaintances will see it as a red flag, ideally talk the person out of their viewpoint or intended action, or even report them to the police. If instead those venues censor extreme opinions, then the same violent rhetoric will emerge in echo chambers where the members don't recognize it as being so extreme. In that environment, extreme opinions are amplified and exacerbated. The other members fail to notice a problem. They don't persuade the person to change their mind. They don't report to police. Marginalization of offensive views doesn't necessarily cause them to go away. Rather, it may radicalize them. At least Gab.com is an open forum visible to people who disagree and to law enforcement personnel. The alternative would be some corner of the dark web or some basement offline where nobody will notice violent rhetoric at all.
 
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On a side note, we have a section here on NP where intolerant discourse, vitriolic comments toward Muslims, LGBT etc are routine and perfectly tolerated. Pure hate speech. One member was actually justifying the crime and he wasn't crucified like Rob was. Playing the devil's advocate, Rob could point out that NP is not a good example of moderation, and perhaps not the best place to hold his trial.

The difference is that NP hosts just a very small bunch of Angry White Males whereas Gab is a large community, that resonates much louder across the Internet.

Now do antisemitism.

I'm fascinated by liberals penchant for punishing other people
 
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So what action will Epik take?

Here is where I net out on all of this as CEO of Epik and "public figure" whose opinions are apparently being watched more closely than I realized.

First, some absolute statements:

- Epik and I personally condemn violence and hate.

- Epik and I personally support lawful application of civil liberties.

- Epik and I personally believes that censorship should be tempered.

That being said, here is where the gray areas start:

- There are bad actors in any major forum. In most cases, their actions would be protected under US Law. If a site decides to stand for lawful free speech, it will have a higher concentration of content that hurts some people's feelings or runs counter to prescribed narratives.

- Specific to Gab, they have a ToS which they enforce. Problem posts are reported to [email protected] and dealt with there. In particular, threats of imminent targeted violence and DOXing are quickly removed, probably even faster than Twitter deals with them.

- When users violate ToS at sites like Gab and BitChute, they are removed. I have seen it many times, and am certain that it is happening. They suffer backlash in their communities which is why you have sites like 8Chan pop up, because 4Chan booted them. Incidentally, neither "Chan" is a client of Epik.

- In response to concentration of media, alternative news has filled the gap through a sort of citizen journalism. As a direct result, one great challenge is Fake News. Unfortunately, fake news cuts both ways, e.g. Covington Catholic. We are all being propagandized. As such, we must choose to discern.

- Specific to NZ, there was a horrific incident. That incident led to immediate changes in public policy. I questioned the censorship standard and the maniacal effort to enforce it globally. In that area I crossed a line and should not have done that. Epik is a utility and we should work to stay in our lane.

So what will Epik do? Here is what I propose, subject to input and refinement:

- We have [email protected]. If there is objectionable content where someone wants assistance with bringing it to the attention to site admins, please send it there, and we'll get it to the right people. We do this already but most people don't know about it.

- We will continue to cooperate with law enforcement. As free speech sites grow in number and grow in quantity, it is conceivable that more of them will come to Epik. The recent addition of BitMitigate and the growth of Anonymize as VPN provider make Epik the obvious choice as technology partner.

- The online personas called #Epik, #Anonymize and #BitMitigate will restrict their engagement to technical matters and not engage in commentary that could be construed as being inflammatory. Our function is to be a utility. We provide technology. It is battle-tested and open to all who engage lawfully.

- Epik will conduct a review of its client practices relative to its terms of service and determine what interventions are needed. It is conceivable that some clients will need to be dropped. This process will be orderly and will not be determined by coercion, brigading or other forms of mob rule.

- Epik will continue to be engaged in the dialog about the future of the internet. We will continue to advocate for lawful free speech and privacy, tempered with civility and accountability.

My hope is that a balanced approach to censorship and privacy will serve to both sustain and enlarge the internet name industry as we know it while preventing further acceleration of human tragedy such as the one that we saw happen in ChristChurch this month.
 
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Here is where I net out on all of this as CEO of Epik and "public figure" whose opinions are apparently being watched more closely than I realized.

First, some absolute statements:

- Epik and I personally condemn violence and hate.

- Epik and I personally support lawful application of civil liberties.

- Epik and I personally believes that censorship should be tempered.

That being said, here is where the gray areas start:

- There are bad actors in any major forum. In most cases, their actions would be protected under US Law. If a site decides to stand for lawful free speech, it will have a higher concentration of content that hurts some people's feelings or runs counter to prescribed narratives.

- Specific to Gab, they have a ToS which they enforce. Problem posts are reported to [email protected] and dealt with there. In particular, threats of imminent targeted violence and DOXing are quickly removed, probably even faster than Twitter deals with them.

- When users violate ToS at sites like Gab and BitChute, they are removed. I have seen it many times, and am certain that it is happening. They suffer backlash in their communities which is why you have sites like 8Chan pop up, because 4Chan booted them. Incidentally, neither "Chan" is a client of Epik.

- In response to concentration of media, alternative news has filled the gap through a sort of citizen journalism. As a direct result, one great challenge is Fake News. Unfortunately, fake news cuts both ways, e.g. Covington Catholic. We are all being propagandized. As such, we must choose to discern.

- Specific to NZ, there was a horrific incident. That incident led to immediate changes in public policy. I questioned the censorship standard and the maniacal effort to enforce it globally. In that area I crossed a line and should not have done that. Epik is a utility and we should work to stay in our lane.

So what will Epik do? Here is what I propose, subject to input and refinement:

- We have [email protected]. If there is objectionable content where someone wants assistance with bringing it to the attention to site admins, please send it there, and we'll get it to the right people. We do this already but most people don't know about it.

- We will continue to cooperate with law enforcement. As free speech sites grow in number and grow in quantity, it is conceivable that more of them will come to Epik. The recent addition of BitMitigate and the growth of Anonymize as VPN provider make Epik the obvious choice as technology partner.

- The online personas called #Epik, #Anonymize and #BitMitigate will restrict their engagement to technical matters and not engage in commentary that could be construed as being inflammatory. Our function is to be a utility. We provide technology. It is battle-tested and open to all who engage lawfully.

- Epik will conduct a review of its client practices relative to its terms of service and determine what interventions are needed. It is conceivable that some clients will need to be dropped. This process will be orderly and will not be determined by coercion, brigading or other forms of mob rule.

- Epik will continue to be engaged in the dialog about the future of the internet. We will continue to advocate for lawful free speech and privacy, tempered with civility and accountability.

My hope is that a balanced approach to censorship and privacy will serve to both sustain and enlarge the internet name industry as we know it while preventing further acceleration of human tragedy such as the one that we saw happen in ChristChurch this month.
Now you're talking my language as a businessman. I'm proud of you for spending valuable time to write such a detailed post.

Congratulations and thank you.
 
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Some moral questions are complex. Like freedom of speech. Gab.com is a website with its own management. Epik is only the registrar where the domain's whois contact information and name server values are recorded. The website and all its files are hosted by some other company.

"Epik is only the registrar"

Come on, Epik is more than just the registrar.
Rob AKA Epik is an active participant on Gab. You said earlier Rob is not Epik but he makes no effort to dissociate the two on his profile.
One member here mentioned that Rob posted a lot more on Gab in a few months than he did on NP in 8 years. 1760 posts in 5 months is not bad, it can be described as active engagement in a forum.

Just the registrar, sure.

If indeed Epik was nothing more than just the registrar, the situation would be different. But people could still challenge you to enforce your own TOS... (I am wondering what it takes to be booted out from Epik, what the red line could be).

The truth is that Epik is deeply involved in Gab at present, and this is unavoidably going to alienate a lot of customers. Not just Jews or Muslims. Mixing religion and (fringe) politics with business: never good.

Can you supply an example of "pure hate speech" on NamePros as you suggested in your comment?
It's easy to find. But then this will derail this thread. If you don't see what I mean and you don't have a problem with the hate speech in question, then presumably you don't have any problem with the issue at hand either.

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Now you're talking my language as a businessman. I'm proud of you for spending valuable time to write such a detailed post.

Congratulations and thank you.

Thanks.

On the business side, our capital structure and governance is also subject to review. I own about 80% of the voting shares of the company. There is one other board director, Braden Pollock, who leans left of center. We have recently added some investors that lean right of center.

We plan to fund innovation and notably AI-related projects applied to the Internet. We have a long history of rapid innovation and have done it with a relatively modest based of domains under management and relatively little outside capital. The core technical team is strong and getting stronger.

Our recent success in defending massive denial of service attacks involving more than 10 million IP addresses, including sophisticated "layer 7" attacks has not gone unnoticed by some major players active in the areas of DDoS Mitigation, Anycast DNS and Content Delivery Networking.

Practically-speaking, this means:

1. We will significantly increase our emphasis on technology, delivered as white label and otherwise, through channel partners. Our best-at is technology, and we will leverage that. The CDN market alone is $7 billion now, projected to grow to $23 billion by 2023. We can help our clients get a big piece of that upside.

2. We will continue to be on the lookout for opportunity to accelerate growth through acquisition through cash-efficient transactions that add some combination (1) leadership, (2) technology and (3) locality. The BItMitigate acquisition is a very good example of what this looks like when it works.

3. We will be open to having new investors and/or new board directors come into Epik, in the hope that they will bring fresh ideas and new perspectives, but who also want to build a significant and resilient enterprise that is capable of serving mainstream markets on a global scale.

This too is subject to refinement but I think we are solid on the above 3 points.
 
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Thanks.

On the business side, our capital structure and governance is also subject to review. I own about 80% of the voting shares of the company. There is one other board director, Braden Pollock, who leans left of center. We have recently added some investors that lean right of center.

We plan to fund innovation and notably AI-related projects applied to the Internet. We have a long history of rapid innovation and have done it with a relatively modest based of domains under management and relatively little outside capital. The core technical team is strong and getting stronger.

Our recent success in defending massive denial of service attacks involving more than 10 million IP addresses, including sophisticated "layer 7" attacks has not gone unnoticed by some major players active in the areas of DDoS Mitigation, Anycast DNS and Content Delivery Networking.

Practically-speaking, this means:

1. We will significantly increase our emphasis on technology, delivered as white label and otherwise, through channel partners. Our best-at is technology, and we will leverage that. The CDN market alone is $7 billion now, projected to grow to $23 billion by 2023. We can help our clients get a big piece of that upside.

2. We will continue to be on the lookout for opportunity to accelerate growth through acquisition through cash-efficient transactions that add some combination (1) leadership, (2) technology and (3) locality. The BItMitigate acquisition is a very good example of what this looks like when it works.

3. We will be open to having new investors and/or new board directors come into Epik, in the hope that they will bring fresh ideas and new perspectives, but who also want to build a significant and resilient enterprise that is capable of serving mainstream markets on a global scale.

This too is subject to refinement but I think we are solid on the above 3 points.
Wow! That's terrific!

I sincery look forward to seeing Epiks continued innovation and growth.

P.S. I always liked you and your business savvy. I followed your experience with DT and admire your tenacity. Thanks for hanging in there.
 
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Just the registrar, sure.

You've taken my comment out of context. Speaking about an online forum, there are various entities that are in its supply chain or which can otherwise apply pressure to censor content:
  • web host
  • registrar
  • TLD registry
  • ICANN
Also:
  • website owner
  • board of directors (if any)
  • moderators / staff
  • forum members
Also:
  • law enforcement agencies
  • non-members angry with member content
  • payment processors (e.g. Paypal)
The question was: Which entity should police content written by Gab members? Or which entity should determine whether Gab itself should cease to exist?

One person suggested that Epik has the primary responsibility for policing content written on Gab.com by members of that forum. But I made the point that nobody expects Dynadot (NamePros's registrar) to moderate these posts.

In this context, saying that Epik is only involved with Gab as its registrar is an objective fact. That is Epik's role in Gab's supply chain. And it is based on that role that some people want Epik to censor individual Gab posts or to eject Gab completely.
 
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The content perpetuated on gab is not content that I could ever be remotely associated with.

The reason I can't swallow Rob Monster's claim that the "only" reason he is allowing Gab to flourish on Epik is due to his neutral championing of free speech, is partly because of some of his posts on Gab, such as have been pointed out here
That same month, when one Gab user accused Monster of talking like a “RAT KIKE,” he responded that he is “not a ‘kike’ nor governed by one. :)” When another person on Gab said he was pleased to know the site was hosted by a guy who wouldn’t “kowtow to globalists” — a term commonly used as an anti-Semitic dog whistle — Monster responded, “Indeed.” Monster assured another Gab user who was worried about Epik having two Jewish board members that “having a Jewish person on Epik’s board may be somewhat helping with keeping certain forces at bay.”

and then also because of his monstrous post about the New Zealand massacre
There is no IF about it. You gotta call it for what it is. @Rob Monster did post on Twitter that the New Zealand mosque massacre is a hoax.

It's been well recorded here. Just go back in the posts.

as well as due to his hollow apology about his NZ post:
Apologies to anyone who I offended personally with my remarks in this thread.
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and then somewhat doubling down after the hollow apology with statements to the effect of "who knows what happened there"
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these factors COMBINED seem to show that Rob is not merely a detached ISP for Gab, but an active participant, and perhaps even a sympathizer.

If Rob were say, some fat cat capitalist with a cigar, hosting whatever content just for the almighty buck, tongues might wag, but at worst, we could say that the guy doesn't care one way or another about anything.

But the evidence I see, tends to establish that Rob chose this particular group Gab for a reason, and supports them and their thinking, at least on some level.
 
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You've taken my comment out of context. Speaking about an online forum, there are various entities that are in its supply chain or which can otherwise apply pressure to censor content:
  • web host
  • registrar
  • TLD registry
  • ICANN
Also:
  • website owner
  • board of directors (if any)
  • moderators / staff
  • forum members
Also:
  • law enforcement agencies
  • non-members angry with member content
  • payment processors (e.g. Paypal)
The question was: Which entity should police content written by Gab members? Or which entity should determine whether Gab itself should cease to exist?

One person suggested that Epik has the primary responsibility for policing content written on Gab.com by members of that forum. But I made the point that nobody expects Dynadot (NamePros's registrar) to moderate these posts.

In this context, saying that Epik is only involved with Gab as its registrar is an objective fact. That is Epik's role in Gab's supply chain. And it is based on that role that some people want Epik to censor individual Gab posts or to eject Gab completely.

I thought they were a little more involved than just a registrar? Not sure about now but I see a screenshot talking about the Cryin' Nazi saying "He is 1st on my list to send packing if he is not able to line up with the Gab ToS"

or another screenshot of Rob saying he was providing air cover for Gab.........stood in the gap.....

https://twitter.com/MollyOShah/status/1064559963744419840

Seems a bit involved, again, not sure about now.
 
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This thread will go no where.
What do you expect from him? He is a Monster.
Politic/Religion discussion will never ended.
Let spend time to make money rather wasting with this thread. YOU WILL GET NO WHERE.
 
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New account but not new player.

The best thing about business is the people behind the businesses. It's how and why deals happen, and how and why innovation happens. Epik is from Rob (and company) and Rob has character.

Now if Epik is so big now that Entrepreneur Rob Monster can't be so casual about sharing his own opinions... that's for Epik and Rob to work out. Profits, consumer sentiment, industry relationships... they are all the "business" that influences those decisions.

But congrats (and thanks!) to Rob for standing up for free speech, hosting (whomever needed protection) when the mob tried to violate what should be an inalienable right : expression of opinion.

It is my opinion (this is a forum of opinions?) that each person yelling that so-and-so's opinions are not valid, and should not be "allowed" to be expressed, is a threat to humanity. That's right... if you're demanding censorship of opinions, you are a threat to humanity.. except in a few rare cases.

Luckily, mob reactions usually reflect personal emotions and / or ignorance, and those aren't permanent. A free society leaves room and time (aka tolerance) to allow people to learn the hard way (through debate and discussion, pondering the various opinions and perspectives of others).

You are not supposed to be free to mob and hang someone without a just pause and consideration of what you may not "see" from your perspective (there should be a trial, a jury of peers, etc), even if the expression is something you truly hate. Even if it emotionally harms you, unfortunately. YOU are not the standard.

Yes, in some cases, harm can come from unbridled speech inappropriately put forth... yelling fie in a crowded theater is the classic example (it's illegal). IN THOSE CASES, careful consideration may impose upon the right to express one's opinions.

Are you the arbiter of that? Is your opinion so sacrosanct that you get to decide who should be censored, and who should not?

No. And neither is Rob Monster. He, at least, knows that. Which is probably why he errs on the side of freedom, when it is within his power.

ALLOWING free speech is a noble act, even if that speech is seen as harmful... unless it can fairly and justly be decided that it is harmful (like yelling fire in a crowded theater).

The only thing we are entitled to do is debate whether or not we believe someone's expressions are that harmful (or not), after which we can work to persuade our (elected) authorities to enforce responsible controls. In other words, WE are (also) entitled to express our (however emotional) opinions, in public... even if others HATE our views.

At least for now we are entitled to do that... in America at least, on Gab if everyone else bullies us off the public platforms.

Thanks you Rob for your efforts, and especially the careful consideration you put into your work. I know that few other leaders have that much courage.
 
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@waterman - You must be Epik employee or RM son?
Just registered so you can post to defend RM.

Your tone and writing style looks very much like RM to me. Twin?
 
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