Value of Domain Hacks

[xman]

Here's my question..what is the value of domain hack? I've seen some good domain hack and i was wondering about the value of it. I myself own one and i'm not sure whether or not i should get more. I haven't seen any sale of domain hack. Why do we register domain hack? Is it because the domain looks cool or because there's a potential end user who's willing to buy such domain?

 

[brianlai]

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[andrejc]

Andrejc, it is a good one, have you tried either developing it with info about what GPRS is and put Adsense adverts on?

Nope, I will try it if I don't get any satisfying offer soon.

You name has a potential, but the high annual fee makes people backing off and it is likely a commercial name. How people can think of gp.rs is a social network site??

It is not supposed to be a social networking site, GPRS has nothing to do with social networking. But it can still be developed into something other than company/organization website.

Thanks for your comments.

 

[TheBaldOne]

Andrejc,

$50 a year is nothing, less than $1 a week, now that is not bad at all.

If I were you I would try contacting some manufacturers, the system is heavily used for in field engineering, archaeology, building industry, etc., etc.. It would not surprise me one iota if the name itself went to an end user to whom it would be worth high $x,xxx - low $xx,xxx.

Forget GPRS - think GPR Systems! (Ground Penetrating Radar). This is a world wide 'current and future market'. Just type in GPR to google and see what comes up.

 

[namenut]

I like these 'leet names, perhaps my old school geek background hehe.
Have a few Im keeping for now: v1s1on dict8or cyph3r
One developed http://SIGH7INGS.COM

Recently regged iStat.us
works both with or without the hack.

I really like V1S1ON and CYPH3R.

L45V3G45.com (available at time of posting )

You should get this to be truly L337! Plus it has more results than both your present names! :lala: :D

I would have never guessed .... such huge search result ... :D

 

[invincible55]

What do you think about these hackes:

Isell.name (I sell name)
Banknot.es (Banknotes)
AutoSearch.es (AutoSearches)
eProperti.es (eProperties)
Assembled.in (Assembled in)
Fax.no.com (Fax number)
Say.no.com (Say NO)
The.de.com (The dot de)
Number1in.com (number one in dot com)

 

[TheBaldOne]

Hi invincible,

The last three are the catchy ones IMO.

Say.No.com, obviously going back to the anti-drug campaign, but could be used by many groups or as an umbrella for for protest groups.

The.de.com, could be used for listing .de sites of general interest that have an English version of the the .de site.

Number1in.com, well this would obviously be worthwhile to someone who wants to fate sites, commercially perhaps this is the most promising, for where the other two might make a fair income this one could be developed into a very popular site. People might go to it to find the best of the web, but that would mean someone running it who has a knowledge of popular culture likes and dislikes. But this could, with work, well become a popular or even very popular site.

Best of luck with them.

Bill

 

[invincible55]

Thanks Bill,

I have also

Number1in.net/.info/.biz/.us
No1in.com/.net/.info/.biz

 

[Timewarp]

I was thinking today that name hacks are like underground music and .com is more like top 40 commercial music. If you want a million dollar hit go for expensive keywords.com, there will always be a market for those. But there is still lots of other good music out there on the fringes that may not have mass appeal but is still cool, this would be where name hacks, ccTLDs and brandable nonsense words come in. Even niche markets can be huge these days, you just need to find that audience. Sometimes an underground hit breaks into the mainstream eg. "google.com" was not a valuable domain when it was new.

 

[DomainTalker]

I have:


Ma.am


...Its the only possible max 4 letter combination (including extension) to spell the word, 'Ma'am'.....ie super-short word.

...and, very brandable, I reckon...a social site? a fashion site?...even a porn site?...lol


Never tested it, but I feel this one could have significant value....

.

 

[TheBaldOne]

Timewarp, domain names are like any other product, and yes including music, there is no such thing as 'hard and fast rules'!

You pointed out 'Google, but all non-word and non-abbreviation 'brandable names' prove that 'dictionary word' .com's are not the only valuable words on the market.

Unfortunately in the past people have speculated with HDN's, and like most speculators they (me included by the way) hoped that the 'investors' in domain names would take as read that of course HDN's had value. The problem was that none, or at least very few speculators developed any worthwhile sites on HDN's, therefore the public did not become infused by an HDN. After all there was nothing there to get infused about.

D.T., unlucky for you Clinton has not won the Democratic nomination, if she had this could have been a swell title for a site about her. I think it is a very nice HDN, just imagine a social site for women and it also carries stories/interviews about powerful women in business, finance, politics, etc.. I think such a site would catch on extremely quickly and get huge worldwide traffic, and of course with traffic comes advertising income! Nice little investment you have there.

 

[xman]

Brindle's thread in DNF in September 2006 proved everyone wrong.

Here is a post I found on another domain name discussion site
http://www.DNF/f4/foru-ms-worth-more-than-2000-a-thread-179328.html

People are not having positive comment on Domain Hack back in 2006, but what is now?

The majority of responds in his September 2006 thread at DNF were to let go the domain for $2K. They all responded to take the offer and he may not get another offer in the future. But brindle didn't sell it and instead he kept the domain. He seems to know back then that foru.ms will sell for much more in the future.

Eleven months later brindle123 sold foru.ms for $7K on August 2007.

I believe that domain hack would be popular within "Personal Site" and "Social Network" , but not companies or organization or .. whatever.

I disagree.

Just to name a few

lu.st - clothing/fashion
http://lu.st

luc.as - business/consulting
http://www.luc.as

aro.ma - food/dining
http://aro.ma

hi.fi - hi-tech store
http://hi.fi

HDNs are like any other domains. You can build your company in HDN as you see fit.

Whenever I grabbed any HDN I always ask myself, do I have a target audience for this domain?

For instance, I recently grabbed wi.pe, ca.pe, and swi.pe

wi.pe could be in data protection or data security.

ca.pe could go either cape as a garment or geos such as

ca.pe/cod
ca.pe/verde
ca.pe/town

swi.pe could be use as a site for credit cards or anything that uses swipe such as gift cards. And gift cards by the way is becoming more popular. Last year alone consumer spend bilion dollars in gift card purchase. And according to promomagazine.com gift card spending to top $50 billion by 2012 http://promomagazine.com/incentives/news/gift_card_study_121207/

Majority of domainers don't see the value in HDNs but then again when the majority agree that doesn't mean they are right. Exhibit number one, brindle's thread in DNF back in September 2006

 

[lzy]

I have:


Ma.am


...Its the only possible max 4 letter combination (including extension) to spell the word, 'Ma'am'.....ie super-short word.

...and, very brandable, I reckon...a social site? a fashion site?...even a porn site?...lol


Never tested it, but I feel this one could have significant value....

.

ma = mother

Plus ma.am just looks awesome. :tu:

PS: Your mobi portfolio is really impressive.

 

[.tv]

What do you think about these hackes:

Isell.name (I sell name)
Banknot.es (Banknotes)
AutoSearch.es (AutoSearches)
eProperti.es (eProperties)
Assembled.in (Assembled in)
Fax.no.com (Fax number)
Say.no.com (Say NO)
The.de.com (The dot de)
Number1in.com (number one in dot com)

Cool hacks.

I recently sold vir.us.com.

Still have bri.de.com, which is now on eBay auction.

 

[TheBaldOne]

Whilst checking the latest Alexa weekly results for JesusChri.st and other related domains I created a table of rankings which I produced in another thread. However, here I would like to augment the same table with some estimated values obtained from Estibot.com. I am not knocking Estibot here, they work to an algorithm that HDN's do not fit well into, but I would hazard a guess that many domainers think along similar lines and ignor facts that are apparently blatent for everyone to see.

Alexa Weekly Ranking Table

1) Bible.com.....................19,831..........$520,000
2) Bible.org......................36,343..........$84,000
3) God.com....................218,991..........$540,000
4) JesusChri.st...............365,351..........$400
5) Jesus.com..................366,346..........$490,000
6) Christ.com..................852,231..........$180,000
7) JesusChrist.com.......1,053,238..........$240,000
8) Jesus.net.................2,268,381..........$51,000
9) Bible.net..................2,432,781..........$46,000
10) God.org..................2,988,235..........$29,000
11) Chri.st....................3,992,502..........$450
12) Jes.us....................4,802,170..........$320
13) God.net..................5,499,442..........$55,000
14) JesusChrist.net.......6,036,894..........$6,200
15) Christ.info...............7,054,125..........$3,300
16) Christ.net...............9,187,773..........$11,000

The following seven domains have recorded no Alexa weekly rank this week.
=17) Bible.info......................................$11,000
=17) God.info.......................................$14,000
=17) Jesus.org.....................................$27,000
=17) Jesus.info....................................$13,000
=17) Christ.org......................................$7,200
=17) JesusChrist.org.............................$3,300
=17) JesusChrist.info............................$1,600

If ever there was a product undervalued then HDN's would seem to qualify easily. Out of the 23 related domains/websites all 3 of the HDN's: JesusChri.st; Chri.st; and Jes.us are valued at less than $500 each, and yet they are the 4th, 11th, and 12th most popular domains/sites. Yet 7 domains that did not even get an Alexa weekly ranking range in value from $1,600 - $27,000.

Indeed, creating a rough 'rule of thumb' if we take the sum of the values of the non-HDN's immediately above and beneath the relevent HDN and divide that value by 2 we should get an approximation of the relevent values of the HDN's concerned.

Jes.us and Chri.st have God.org at $29,000 and God.net at $55,000 on either side. The sum Estibot value totals of which are $84,000, dividing this by 2 gives each an approximate value for each of the HDN's at $42,000, some 93 times the value given for Chri.st and 120 times the value given for Jes.us.

With JesusChri.st the sum values of God.com at $540,000 and Jesus.com at $490,000 is $1,030,000, dividing this by 2 gives $515,000, this is some 1,287 times the value given for JesusChri.st.

I was asked on the other forum recently how I can equate JesusChri.st with Bible.com, God.com, and Jesus.com. The answer is simple, because people make it so, sure it might not quite yet have caught up with Bible.com and God.com, but it will, and it has already overtaken Jesus.com. Along the same lines I can equate Chri.st and Jes.us with God.org and God.net.

I guess this is the atrition stage of getting HDN's accepted. The public accept them and obviously like them if there is a good site on them. Unfortunately it is the 'old hand domainers' who do not like them and try to discourage their use and ridicule their value.

 

[brianlai]

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[TheBaldOne]

Brianlai, Estibot was just as an example tool. Generally most people would class the higher domains in the estimate in high 6 or even 7 figures.

 

[symboldomain]

I think true domain 'hacks' will become FAR more popular in time.
I have www.tl, and it brings in over 40K 'type in' hits per year.
Whereas other hacks I have, e.g. ri.sk, may be valued more on
their branding ability...

I personally feel that hacks that have two letters either side of
the dot are the best because they seem more natural somehow,
more 'weighted', as though they are 'meant to be'.

I'd be interested to hear what other people think...

 

[xman]

symboldomain, I agree that HDNs will gain more recognition in the near future.

Two letter HDNs are definitely the way to go if you could find them. Two letter in both side is indeed look much nicer since it is symmetrical. The dot in middle does make it look nicer. However, I now realized that longer hack could also have good value once develop. One of the example is TheBaldOne's development of JesusChri.st

I really like Ri.sk

What the reg. fee for .sk?

 

[symboldomain]

Two letter HDNs are definitely the way to go if you could find them. Two letter in both side is indeed look much nicer since it is symmetrical. The dot in middle does make it look nicer.
What the reg. fee for .sk?

Xman, I couldn't agree more. FYI, '.sk' is the extension for Slovakia (Europe) and the renewal fee is very inexpensive, something like 10 bucks if I remember right...

Your point about symmetry is excellent, and means that any logo (incorporating the name) will look justified and powerful - like a real brand name ought to. It also helps when referring to these names verbally, e.g. "visit us now at R I DOT S K" - short and sweet, and hopefully not open to misinterpretation

I kind of like what deli.cio.us did, buying delicious.com, to compliment the name. But this may actually be unnecessary for very short hacks that need no further explanation (?).

 

[DomainTalker]

Thanks for the thoughts, TheBaldOne (Good to see you, mate...)....And, thanks for the compliment, Izy....

My gut feel on hacks is that generally very short, memorable, complete, and very meaningful, words could become very valuable....if developed....And, preferably just one dot...

...A great exception to the super-short rule may very well turn out to be TheBaldOne's JesusChri.st...Its longer - but hey - LOOK at the 'brand'....lol....The 'brand' of the word, itself, is so powerful - the promotion should give a disproportionate reward....This one could be just huge, imo


I'm not sure domainers, as such, will ever generally accept the value in them, and trade them profitably...Somehow, I feel the road to value with hacks is to get key generic hack 'words' - and, create & promote a site with them that exactly delivers on the subject of that word.....If the word is really spot on to an identifiable market niche - and its well promoted - I can see a hack with a powerful following - and, its very novelty adding to its memorability & power

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[brianlai]

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[mwzd]

If you can afford $1k to buy the domain, the $50 renewal is chicken feed.

Are you sure you can maximize ROI on this domain viz the same money spent elsewhere?

Analytical investments are what this game is about.

 

[Kate]

Hey guys,

I was thinking of buying one domain hack but it is quite expensive. That domain hack is quite nice but costs me $1000 on that domain hack, I was thinking would it a good investment on that deal. There has 93,200,000 results on Google search, but I am not sure would it have revenue if I place that hack for a few years time (But I think I will not give it out because I quite like it and would develop it). The renewal fee of the domain is about USD$50

$1000 for a domain hack ?
IMO you are wasting your money if you ever pay above reg fee.
To generate revenue you need to develop, it's highly unlikely that you will get any natural traffic on it. Good luck.

 

[DomainTalker]

$1000 for a domain hack ?
IMO you are wasting your money if you ever pay above reg fee.

...Can't say I agree with you, Ma.am....


...But, I do agree that development is probably the only way to build value with a hack domain...

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[brianlai]

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