The USA Political Thread

[lennco]

Here you can spout your USA political views.

Rules:
1. Keep it clean
2. No fighting
3. Respect the views of others.
4. US Political views, No Religious views
5. Have fun

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[DU]

If they can match up a fingerprint of a murderer or terrorist and capture him at the risk of offending or inconveniencing others then so be it... It's the society we live in today,

Are you sure that's the goal?

It's not like were living in a perfect world where everyone is peace loving and honest, it's those who are NOT that ruin it for the rest of us.

Perhaps it's not "everyone" that's ruining it but just the powers that be?

 

[verbster]

Since the John Birch Society (JBS) came up in the Zimmerman thread here in the Break Room, I was surprised to read several several articles are floating around comparing the Tea Party as a resurrection of the JBS, but maybe it's a better match for Palin's Freedom Party. After all, the tea party is not quite ultra-conservative enough.

 

[eyedomainous]

The only thing I learned from the Snowden data release was the actual name of the program(s).

The funny thing about the outrage is the general public did not know a "crime" was being perpetrated against them until they were told.

If you don't know your freedoms were taken, or being violated, until the media informs you, did you really have those freedoms? Or, did the 'kool aid' give you an illusion of freedoms.

Freedom is the kool aid... that flows from, and becomes one's, Constitution. Its the sales pitch from the "1%" of 1776. Nearly half of which, based on the signatures, were slave owners.

The irony of the Snowden data, is it underscores the value of learning pertinent information you do not know -hence the rational for spying.

Now its a question of Whose spy is it? When Snowden turns spy on the government, 'for the people', that o'k -the people are cool with that. But when Snowden spied on people for the Gov, that's Not Cool!

This is a classic ethical dilema of using info from double agents; its not cool to spy on people... unless the spy brings your people the data.

Also, using The Constitution as a shield works best when one follows its directive to be a citizen guardian of freedoms, before they are lost.

Now, The People want Hearings... and a few heads to roll. Then they will feel their freedoms have been restored, and will be protected.

So whine a bit longer and louder and you'll get to jug down more Freedom Kool Aid -then you'll be all right... at least until you get pissed by the next 'Snowden'.

Then its rinse and repeat. We're humans in the age of personal global communications technology.

Its Dr. Strangelove 2.0 -- How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love Big Data.

 

[DU]

Its Dr. Strangelove 2.0 -- How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love Big Data.

I'm going to use that...

 

[verbster]

Now, The People want Hearings... and a few heads to roll. Then they will feel their freedoms have been restored, and will be protected.

So whine a bit longer and louder and you'll get to jug down more Freedom Kool Aid -then you'll be all right... at least until you get pissed by the next 'Snowden'.

Then its rinse and repeat. We're humans in the age of personal global communications technology.

Its Dr. Strangelove 2.0 -- How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love Big Data.

I'm not sure Most people feel any loss of freedom other than thinking they've lost some. Until it has a tangible effect, it's just words with no meaning.

 

[Domainace]

Funny. In this interview, Snowden says his biggest fear is that he'll release the info and nothing will change. By "funny," of course, I mean sad.

 

[Kate]

If you don't know your freedoms were taken, or being violated, until the media informs you, did you really have those freedoms? Or, did the 'kool aid' give you an illusion of freedoms.

In general the media do a poor job of informing people on the state of affairs.
Not that I need media reports to be aware, any sane individual unless blind and deaf should realize there are many things that are very wrong. The visible tip of the iceberg being disturbing enough. But people tend to rationalize everything, ignore the bad omens, hope for the best and make excuses - then it becomes denial.
We all understand there is no perfect world, but what's interesting here is:
- the scale of the violations
- there is a conspiracy

As I have said, many people just don't care because, they don't know what freedom is. They would have been equally happy living in the former USSR if it weren't for the comfort.
The great achievement of the 'system' is that most believe they are FREE. To some extent, that is true, but big chunks of freedom are being taken away from you nonetheless.
A long leash around your neck doesn't mean you are 'free', it just means you are better off than another slave.

 

[verbster]

As I have said, many people just don't care because, they don't know what freedom is. They would have been equally happy living in the former USSR if it weren't for the comfort.

You don't think that's a bit over the top?

 

[Kate]

A little bit.

 

[Theo Goodman]

 

[DU]

You don't think that's a bit over the top?

You'd be surprised. There are a lot of people that had more in a psuedo-communist landscape than they now have in a pseudo-capitalist landscape.

Freedom is a concept that is wonderful - unfortunately it is attached to with the ball and chain that is corporatism and uncontrolled free capitalism.

 

[Theo Goodman]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8YsTkJNA3s"][143] Anarchism, Socialism & Libertarianism: Alternatives for Peace - YouTube[/ame]

 

[GILSAN]

Detroit filed for bankruptcy. A city that once had 2 million souls now has only 700.000. It can take police nearly an hour to respond to a 911 call, while the national average is 11 minutes.

At night, many streets and even freeways are dangerously shrouded in darkness because tens of thousands of street lights don't work. Crime is rampant and public services are nearing collapse

The 1967 riots, subsequent white flight, super corrupt city officials and sheeple that continually voted for these crooks did the rest.

The perfect example of what Liberals/Progressives can do to a city, when in power for too long

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...eads-cries-Detroit-feet-filed-bankruptcy.html

 

[DU]

The perfect example of what Liberals/Progressives can do to a city, when in power for too long

Why look at 60 years of history to understand the decline? What on earth would be the point of that?

 

[Domainace]

You don't think that's a bit over the top?

I suggested something the same, only using China, was called crazy. Of course, common sense seems crazy in crazy times.

As long as there's food on the table, and the tanks are rolling through somebody else's neighborhood and not ours, it's all good.

Speaking of tanks, from the WSJ...

Seems these military style raids are already accepted.

 

[JB Lions]

I suggested something the same, only using China, was called crazy. Of course, common sense seems crazy in crazy times.

As long as there's food on the table, and the tanks are rolling through somebody else's neighborhood and not ours, it's all good.

Speaking of tanks, from the WSJ...

Seems these military style raids are already accepted.

It was crazy.

In general the media do a poor job of informing people on the state of affairs.
Not that I need media reports to be aware, any sane individual unless blind and deaf should realize there are many things that are very wrong. The visible tip of the iceberg being disturbing enough. But people tend to rationalize everything, ignore the bad omens, hope for the best and make excuses - then it becomes denial.
We all understand there is no perfect world, but what's interesting here is:
- the scale of the violations
- there is a conspiracy

As I have said, many people just don't care because, they don't know what freedom is. They would have been equally happy living in the former USSR if it weren't for the comfort.
The great achievement of the 'system' is that most believe they are FREE. To some extent, that is true, but big chunks of freedom are being taken away from you nonetheless.
A long leash around your neck doesn't mean you are 'free', it just means you are better off than another slave.

That's an interesting way of looking at things. So people who are free to travel the world, because they don't have some irrational fear of fingerprints/government, are on some leash/slaves? But you, who are scared to leave the country because of it, are free? Doesn't really make much sense.

Are you sure that's the goal?

Most likely. But maybe they're also getting some skin/dna. Maybe they have future plans to plant some evidence and throw people in prison for something. Maybe they're cataloging humans as sources of meat in the future, just in case, Soylent Green territory. Or maybe, it's just what they said it's for.

 

[Domainace]

Lowest common denominator.
I'm outta here.
Was it Mark Twain who said it's easier to con a man than it is to convince him he has been conned?

 

[Theo Goodman]

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-112hr347enr/pdf/BILLS-112hr347enr.pdf

 

[JB Lions]

Lowest common denominator.
I'm outta here.
Was it Mark Twain who said it's easier to con a man than it is to convince him he has been conned?

That one sounds familiar but can't find who said it, doesn't look like Mark Twain. But what you said I think refers to all the people that are constantly conned by conspiracy theory types. They're very easy to monetize. Tried searching and this is the only one I found about Mark Twain and con, and one I agree with:

“Religion was invented when the first con man met the first fool.”

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-112hr347enr/pdf/BILLS-112hr347enr.pdf

That's very random, just a link drop. Anything behind it?

 

[Theo Goodman]

Some say that that "random" link is a goverment document that makes it criminal to protest near any "important" building. However it is clear, as always, that if you are a law abiding citizen and no threat to the system then you have nothing to fear, since you will not be able to make any fundimental change with out being labeled a "threat". Cosmetic changes happen often.

Talk about easy to monitize, democrats and republicans, oh yea! $$$! Obama is a master monitizer.
I am sure wiki can confirm this, or other goverment documents, if that matters. Republicans and Democrats are by far easier and more lucrative to monitize by a wide margin.

What is the big uproar about prism et al anyway? If the goverment is hiding things, telling straight up lies, and has us in a state of total surveillance then it must be for our own good, right?! As long as you are not criminal or a terrorist then what do you have to hide?

 

[DU]

Ashton Lundeby
Elena Lappin

 

[Theo Goodman]

saddam hussein
barack obama

 

[GILSAN]

Obama, Sharptongue, Jackson and all Black leaders should stop all their BS excuses and listen to what Bill O'Reilly said on monday

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wj4JaCSbhFY"]Bill O'Reilly Challenges Obama & Black Caucus to Address Race Problem - The Factor - 7-22-13 - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Theo Goodman]

Gilsan why would anyone want to discuss race or relgion with you? I dont really see the point as you already know that you are "right".

On another note-

Democrats described as "Orwellian" , should we lump them in with the "conspiracy theorists" or "tin foil heads"?
Democrats defend the NSA, big suprise!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jul/25/democratic-establishment-nsa

 

[Theo Goodman]

[ame]http://youtu.be/WAQlsS9diBs[/ame]