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I visited here every day.But seems no more news here.
.mobi dead or .mobi on NP dead ?
.mobi dead or .mobi on NP dead ?
Had to modify your post a bit -- you're welcome to debate but please keep the thread clean of curse words.
The application of mobi is limited. mTLD itself limits the extension with development requirements. Next is the limitations of usage on a cell phone. Next is the genre for which the mobi user will actually use mobi for. The use of the internet isn't the same when mobile. Yes it's evolving but still the application has it's limitations. It's mainly geo information which is the strength of mobi. Sites like nv.mobi imho are perfect examples. So this greatly limits the usage of domains.
I will admit. I maybe wrong. Three years into this discussion and I have not been.
Agreed, at this point .mobi has achieved niche status, no way it's on the road to becoming .com's natural complement but there are still people who won't admit it :hehe:Mobi is a niche. When you hit a niche market you have to play it very carefully and it's normally a minimal amount of players that do well.
In my view it doesn't mean much. I am astonished when domainers think that a buyout in a TLD will naturally result in higher resale prices. Buyouts have taken place in other extensions like .us .info .biz .in and we all know how much LLL are selling for in those extensions. The buyout is artificial because the demand from end users just isn't there so the prices are stagnating.Yes I know that LLL's sold out again (positive news imho).
The second choice to .com ? It is .net. Or your ccTLD. These are more logical choices.The mobile web will be the main web and the biggest medium ever. when this happens a .mobi will be as valid as a .com. Maybe not as good, but definitely a respectable and acceptable and affordable 2nd choice. The world needs a second choice because the dotcoms are all taken and too expensive. If .mobi is not the second choice then what is?
.net?
How big is the market for the 2nd choice?
HUGE
Where .mobi can make more sense than the alternatives is for new players focused only on the mobile market
Where .mobi can make more sense than the alternatives is for new players focused only on the mobile market
This is not a limitation. In due course more people will be accessing the web via their mobile phones than via their computers. The mobile web will be larger than the regular web. Being in mobile will be an asset.
In due course ALL websites/businesses will need/have a mobile site. Therefor all or nearly all genre's are valid.
This is what they said about the regular web 10 years ago.
You will be wrong on the day you watch TV on your phone and read a book on your phone and upload your photos to flickr and share your family video to youtube, and check your stock prices and order a pizza and book a flight/check its status/check in, access facebook etc. When all this and so much more is a reality and normal behavior, this is when you can judge if .mobi is a failure.
The mobile web will be the main web and the biggest medium ever. when this happens a .mobi will be as valid as a .com.
The world needs a second choice because the dotcoms are all taken and too expensive. If .mobi is not the second choice then what is? .net? How big is the market for the 2nd choice?
NV.mobi..awesome site. Probably the only mobi site I would use on a regular basis and even tell others about. That's great.
Even if mobi does become a household term and used widely by the cell providers by incorporating the magic button. There will still be imho a low valuation for mobi domains. As we continue to see Mobi names get developed and advertised even by well-known national companies I still do not see mobi becoming a success for domainers.
Really? Developers aren't welcome here? Speculators only? I'm positive you haven't missed this link on the NP homepage... Web Design & Development - NamePros.comThis is a domainers forum. This isn't a developers forum.
A comparison if you will. Just 5 years ago housing speculators were buying dozens of properties and quick-flipping them for tremendous profit. The hype and unrealistic belief that housing prices couldn't fall created a bubble. Once that bubble burst the investors lost everything. There is still a housing market and houses do have value but from a speculators standpoint it's dead.
We are domainers here. It's not unreasonable to believe that mobi can have some success but at what level and who is going to be successful? There is lots of talk from both camps about development but the truth is that we here are for the most part domainers. Some are pure play that never do anything beyond parking. How does this equate into success for the average domainer?
A questions was raised a few pages back about how I would view a successful mobi domainer. I would view them with great respect for being able to tredge through a tough market such as mobi. Then I would wonder how much success they would have incorporating that same effort into CNO and wonder why they bother with such a tough extension. It's like being the best jockey on a racetrack with the worst horse. Buy a better horse.
On the YTD (DNJ) charts dotinfo has 7 names listed. Mobi has NONE. This isn't a failure of mobi. It's a failure for mobi domain investors. The two need to be seperated imho.
Mobi attempted to hit a niche market by attaching itself to the growing mobile use of the internet. This is a good thing imho. The mission of mobi is a great one.
I have seen some mobi portfolios and they are complete crap. I can go back 2 years and dig up threads of people boasting of 500 mobi names which are now available to register again.
The dropping of the LLL.mobi's was very significant but not to mobi...to mobi INVESTORS. This effected the domainers not anyone else. mTLD doesn't really care. Those with development plans don't care. Those with mobi sites don't care. Mobi investors and domainers should certainly care. Yes I know that LLL's sold out again (positive news imho).
If you are indeed a mobi investor please consider your position in the "ecosystem". You're a fringe player that mobi doesn't need. Unless 5 million mobi names are registered to stifle the market and create a higher valuation mobi resales will continue to be low.
I ask that anyone with an open mind really view their mobi portfolio from an end-user point of view and figure out what the mobi is worth and how likely it is to even sell. Mobi domainers do not have the same revenue streams or activity of CNO. They are facing a very uphill battle.
All the major domainers I know of have dropped mobi completely that's even if they invested to begin with. Some of the top mobi fans early on have now completely dropped mobi as well. I don't see too much fresh blood entering the market as domainers. It's usually the same small yet vocal group.
The application of mobi is limited. mTLD itself limits the extension with development requirements. Next is the limitations of usage on a cell phone. Next is the genre for which the mobi user will actually use mobi for. The use of the internet isn't the same when mobile. Yes it's evolving but still the application has it's limitations. It's mainly geo information which is the strength of mobi. Sites like nv.mobi imho are perfect examples. So this greatly limits the usage of domains.
I will admit. I maybe wrong. Three years into this discussion and I have not been. Mobi resale valuations have tanked for domainers.
Again...I could totally be wrong. But I don't see why we can't discuss this with respect.
The second choice to .com ? It is .net. Or your ccTLD. These are more logical choices.
If you're suggesting .mobi can be a convenient replacement for a mainstream TLD like .com you're missing the point.
SNOOP sez: The reason why "Dot coms are not 100% safe." from udrp is because they are desired. If enduser really wanted .mobi's you'd see alot of UDRP's aswell. It is a bit like telling people not to live in a nice house because you might get robbed.
The reason dot-coms are overwhelmingly UDRPed is because there are many more typo-squatters and cybersquatters crapping in .com than any other TLD, period. Trademark holders don't discriminate against various TLDs, they go after typo-squatters, cybersquatters, and trademark infringers, regardless of TLD.
Why do you protect those who typo-squat and cybersquat. Are you one of them?
Instead of that as another poster mentioned there has been 67 .mobi UDRP,
'Hooray, our names are safe, nobody wants them!'.
We should check back in 2011
Do you actually believe this statement? If mobi became a household word and phone makers built in a .mobi button, you honestly believe that all .mobi domains would still have little market value?
Even as it continues to be used, developed and advertised by even well-known companies you still don't see a future where domain speculators can profit?
I prefer to buy low.
Why do you feel .mobi is different in this regard?
There is absolutely nothing limiting anyone from using .mobi however they like, as long as they provide some content for a mobile visitor.
You haven't changed your positions about .mobi much but you certainly have changed your tone for which I am thankful. rep+
Yes I believe that. What guarantees that popular use in the future would mean high valuations?
Well known companies can UDRP to gain their mobi if they haven't got it already or will just use one of any number of alternatives. Mobi won't become or least hasn't yet the "must-have" extension for a mobile site. I don't see a great deal of new mobile only startups using mobi.
Exactly why it's not going to increase much in value. Developers of mobi will continue to push down prices as they refuse to pay more. It's still a buyers market. I don't see anything in the near future to change that. Lots of decent stuff available for under $50 to develop. Why pay $xxx for any mobi?
It's still a buyers market. I don't see anything in the near future to change that. Lots of decent stuff available for under $50 to develop. Why pay $xxx for any mobi?
Mobi has a very small amount of names actually registered. It's been in decline actually. .biz has nearly 3 times the amount of registered domains and is still increasing...just to compare. Mobi has continued to bleed registrations. This makes the chances of registering something decent fairly high and again...killing resale value.
HosterStats.com: gTLD and ccTLD Domain Name Counts 2009
Would you say that .biz is a good domainer investment?
Hmm...interesting.
dotMobi Switch On! Web Developer Guide
Scroll down to "4. Registrant Rules". Where it also says "Mandatory Registrant Rules".
Mandatory does not equal optional. I have yet to see them enforce that policy and take back a domain but it might scare away potential companies and investors.
It's a benefit to NP.Well that's where I got the "recovering jerk" title. I have a sarcastic sense of humor. I know exactly what many mobi fans think of me but since I have taken on the Forum Moderator position I decided to tone down my rhetoric a bit. Glad you noticed.
What you're saying seems logical as the other TLD's have been around forever. And probably right now, today its true. But remember we (most serious mobi investors) are talking about the future, its all about the future.
So, experiment. I just went to pred's site-
Famous Brands adopting Dot Mobi |Mobi Site |.mobi sites| Mobile Brands
I started at the top row, first 3 names on the list, to see what other TLD's these big corporations think are important. Here is what I found-
bofa.com - Bank of America live site
bofa.net - sedo
bofa.org - sedo
bofa.mobi - Bank of America live site
bofa.co.uk - random site
bofa.tv - parked
barclays.com - Barclays Bank live site
barclays.net - no site
barclays.org - no site
barclays.mobi - Barclays Bank live site
barclays.co.uk - forwards into .mobi site!
barclays.tv - parked
chase.com - Chase Bank live site
chase.net - parked
chase.org - parked
chase.mobi - Chase Bank live site
chase.co.uk - parked
chase.tv - parked
These are quite striking results. I imagine that if you continue down the list this pattern may continue?
I believe the pattern will continue and also the actual list will get substantially longer.
incredibly barclays.co.uk - forwards into .mobi site.
This is a UK bank using the UK ccTLD to go mobi.
I just wikipedia'ed barclays-
Barclays PLC is ranked as the 25th largest company in the world according to Forbes Global 2000 (2008 list) and the fourth largest financial services provider in the world according to Tier 1 capital ($32.5 billion). It is the second largest bank in the United Kingdom
= you cannot dismiss.mobi
= the world is changing
What you're saying seems logical as the other TLD's have been around forever. And probably right now, today its true. But remember we (most serious mobi investors) are talking about the future, its all about the future.
So, experiment. I just went to pred's site-
Famous Brands adopting Dot Mobi |Mobi Site |.mobi sites| Mobile Brands
I started at the top row, first 3 names on the list, to see what other TLD's these big corporations think are important. Here is what I found-
bofa.com - Bank of America live site
bofa.net - sedo
bofa.org - sedo
bofa.mobi - Bank of America live site
bofa.co.uk - random site
bofa.tv - parked
barclays.com - Barclays Bank live site
barclays.net - no site
barclays.org - no site
barclays.mobi - Barclays Bank live site
barclays.co.uk - forwards into .mobi site!
barclays.tv - parked
chase.com - Chase Bank live site
chase.net - parked
chase.org - parked
chase.mobi - Chase Bank live site
chase.co.uk - parked
chase.tv - parked
These are quite striking results. I imagine that if you continue down the list this pattern may continue?
I believe the pattern will continue and also the actual list will get substantially longer.
incredibly barclays.co.uk - forwards into .mobi site.
This is a UK bank using the UK ccTLD to go mobi.
I just wikipedia'ed barclays-
Barclays PLC is ranked as the 25th largest company in the world according to Forbes Global 2000 (2008 list) and the fourth largest financial services provider in the world according to Tier 1 capital ($32.5 billion). It is the second largest bank in the United Kingdom
= you cannot dismiss.mobi
= the world is changing
I'm curious, in your opinion is there anything that you see that could raise the profile and value of .mobi? What would that be?
So far you've ruled out any impact from:
-.mobi is a household word
- .mobi is developed and promoted by end-users, including well known companies
- mobile phone manufactures adding a .mobi button
I was here 10 years ago. I don't remember that being said. My ebay account is 12 years old and so is my paypal account.
There was a period 10, 12 + years ago when the mass public and media/business in general didn't see the worth of .com domains.
Most good investments require time to mature and patience to make it through until maturity. Mobi is in this phase now.
I'm curious, in your opinion is there anything that you see that could raise the profile and value of .mobi?
"Decent" may be available for $50, but exceptional will cost you much more.
I don't follow .biz so I can't offer an informed opinion on that extension, but your comments of .mobi still bleeding registrations seems contrary to other info I've read saying the landrush junk dump has stabilized.
I am quoting myself on this one. I think the above info is worthy of a comment from labrocca and kate. Don't you guys think this is interesting. It suggests a trend. And for such a young TLD as .mobi it is very impressive.
There was a period 10, 12 + years ago when the mass public and media/business in general didn't see the worth of .com domains.
Most good investments require time to mature and patience to make it through until maturity. Mobi is in this phase now.
That was a time before the Internet was popular.It is no longer 1997 and things on the Internet either live or die in a fairly short space of time, twitter, facebook, youtube etc. New extensions do not have the luxury of growing up with the growth of the Internet that all past successful extensions had, the environment is very different now.
Banks and mobile make sense. The success of mobi domainers being attached to a few niche markets won't fly. A successful mobi site doesn't mean the success of mobi as an investment. Mobi fans continue to herald the coming of every major corp using mobi but I see little to indicate corps are willing to pay serious money to acquire mobi domains.
Are mobi domainers unaware they are INVESTING into mobi to make money or are they simply happy to "collect" mobi names for some cool factor amongst their friends? Next thing you know Mobi is going to make collector cards for it's fan base. Domaining is about investing in domains to turn a profit. If you develop sites to make money...I got news for you. You're out of the domainer category for the most part.
I don't believe it for one second. Neither do many others. And most bad investments take time to realize it too. There really isn't a big point here from you. It's another comparison of mobi to com which borders on the absurd.
We are not all claiming to be domainers. You can be involved in both domaining and development. I want to maximize my investment and with mobi there are greater opportunities in development than there are with domaining currently, as the timelines are more long term. Extra time to develop is an asset, extra time sitting around waiting for a portfolio to mature is a pain.
I think you will find with many mobi investors, especially the ones with solid generics, there is the realization that due to the quality of names owned, there is a genuine opportunity to develop a substantial business.
Guess what, some of the companies you quoted have .jobs domains too. Actually there are quite a few large companies that own their .jobs.I am quoting myself on this one. I think the above info is worthy of a comment from labrocca and kate. Don't you guys think this is interesting. It suggests a trend. And for such a young TLD as .mobi it is very impressive.
It's not just a question of time. Extensions like .biz have been around for years and they are as worthless as they were at birth. Ditto for the obscure ccTLDs with no local market.There was a period 10, 12 + years ago when the mass public and media/business in general didn't see the worth of .com domains.
Most good investments require time to mature and patience to make it through until maturity. Mobi is in this phase now.
Guess what, some of the companies you quoted have .jobs domains too. Actually there are quite a few large companies that own their .jobs.
That doesn't make .jobs a well-known, high-profile extension.
I would be willing to accept your points, but in the end it all boils down to critical mass. Until it is embraced on a large scale by end users, it will remain a fringe extension.
It's not just a question of time. Extensions like .biz have been around for years and they are as worthless as they were at birth. Ditto for the obscure ccTLDs with no local market.
The need-
CNO is taken/too expensive for new businesses.
Existing corps find it useful to brand their cool new mobile site.
How many times have we heard that? .biz, .info, .us. The fact is there is unlimted numbers of usable domains in existsing tlds and the vast majority of co's will choose a longer domain in an existing tld than a shorter one in a new tld.