Michael Mann Scammed me out of $1000

[kev]

This is an absolute nightmare. Seems Ive been scammed again.

Details of Scammer

Michael Mann




Web Media Projects, Inc.,
440 E Pass Rd. Suite B
Gulfport, MS. 39507 USA

Website: www.webmediaprojects.com

Email: [email protected]

Tel: 601-213-0881
Toll-free: 866-496-2278
Fax: 601-326-2379

MSN: [email protected]
PayPal: [email protected]
His contact number: 228-216-6707

DigitalPoint Username : c0l0rad0
GetaFreelancer Username : c0l0rad0

I agreed a price of $3,000 for the development of a clone of King.com. He said that i could pay it in 3 stages at $1k each. This was back in October 2007 and he said it would take 2-3 months to complete. So i set deadline after deadline after deadline and he missed 11 in total and I started to get concerned. He maintained it was due to the complexity of the site and limited staff so i believed him. But when he missed the latest deadline, I sent an email asking where it was and he replied with:




then i searched on the web about him and came across this

http://www.thesqueakywheel.com/complaints/2007/NOV/complaint19828.cfm
http://www.thesqueakywheel.com/complaints/2008/FEB/complaint22448.cfm

so i questioned him on it and asked for a complete refund and he replied with


Can people on NP help me get my money back as this is a lot of money to a student.

Are the contact details listed above seem correct to you?

Thanks guys :tu:

 

[c0l0rad0]

Yes, it may have been unprofessional for me to have spoken the way I did. It was in anger.

You have NO idea how long I listened to the ooze pouring out of this clients mouth before I blew up like I did.

However, in the interests of closing this debate (as it were), the games we developed are now on www.1shuffle.com , where they are being added to a new development we are doing for Casino A Lo Latino.

Since the games are multiplayer and server based and they use real and play money you must have an account (free) to view and/or play the games. also, the games take two people. There is no 'bot players, so you will want to have a second player to see and play the games.

Click a game, select your preference in wager, wait for the second player to join and viola. Play away.

If you click the banner on the bottom of the Casino A Lo Latino page (for Lucky Lokis casino) you'll see our test bed for flash games. That is where we tie the games to a backend and test them. There are several more games there - although not all of them are what we made for Kevin. The same login for Casino A Lo Latino works for the test bed also.

In the interest of NOT being called a liar (since anyone can show anyone games and claim their creation), I will take one representative from here that can call my toll-free office number on Monday and walk them through the back-end admin panel. This simply to show that we not only created them, but we control them through a back end we customized.

You will note, in an earlier post by Kevin, that I told him I would sell these to someone else so that we got paid for our work (since Kevin defaulted on his beta payment). That's why they are now in a development for Casino A Lo Latino.

Kevin's project is cancelled. Period. But, we did do the work.

There is games that were developed (including flash pool), a backend that is slick as snot, and we had a rudimenatry template (which is still up, but not used now).

That was all that was required under our terms of development.

Kevin makes much of the supposed delivery in November. That would have presumed that he paid on time and in accord with the agreement which he did not (the deposit). It was 10 days after the agreement. It also does not take into account the change from flash, single player games to more complex flash multiplayer games for cash and play money.

 

[c0l0rad0]

Professional?
Negative, I do know you would not talk to me like that.

Right. I'm sure you think you're somebody, but treat me like Kevin did and you would be treated the same as I treated him.

In Viet Nam we dealt with people like you all the time. Big, bad asses.

Come at me like Kevin did and I assure you - I would have talked to you exactly the same.

 

[Idees]

Well, at least your showing some level of communication.

 

[c0l0rad0]

Just show the work and let the drama end.

According to an earlier post displayed for you by Kevin, we are now using those games in another development called Casino A Lo Latino. (We want to be paid for our work, which Kevin didn't). It is hosted on our server at www.1shuffle.com

You need an account to actually see the games and/or play them. They are multiplayer real cash and play money games designed to not be viewable to a non-registered person. You also need two players to fire up the game server (except for poker).

Of note also is that by clicking the banner on the bottom for Lucky Loki's Casino you can view our test bed for multiplayer games.

In order to forestall any statements that we don't actually own these games, or this development, I will accept calls to our office toll-free number and walk anyone who asks through the backend. Also, if you wish to test the games, call me and I'll create a login for you (or, you can do it yourself although it takes email validation, being real money play). I will then play the games with you for demonstration.

We created a rudimentary template, custom coded 3 games (and supplied our poker software which sells for $6600 elsewhere), custom coded a backend that is superb, and made these available to Kevin.

He did not pay. His attitude was poor. We cancelled his project and resold the games. End of story.

Well, at least your showing some level of communication.

I am trying. I feel slighted and it needed to be addressed. That's the only reason I am in this thread.

 

[Keral_Patel]

He did not pay. His attitude was poor. We cancelled his project and resold the games. End of story.

Then why don't you refund his 1000 Dollars and end this drama forever.

Why you keep posting about your Vietnam adventures.

When you haven't delivered him the final product and when you are also gonna sell this product to someone else to get your investment out WHY are you not refunding this kid his 1000 dollars and finishing it up?

You say you have this and that company. I don't believe you have anything. Companies don't take away people's 1000 dollars. That are peanut games you are playing. Taking away someone's 1000 dollars and not giving him back.

 

[kev]

Michael,

I didnt cancel the project. You cancelled it. I was prepared to pay the full $3,000 for my site and you havent produced anything for me.

When someone sent me an email asking for me to google search your name and company, I requested a refund because of what I found. A simple search of "Michael Mann scam" and "WebMediaProjects.com Scam" yields some interesting results. Is it just by coincidence that you have 4 or 5 RipOffReports against you, aswell as many other complaints on various websites?

This is common for Mike D. Mann. What he does is once you start questioning him, he will call it abuse. Then he will cancel your project and keep the deposit. He has done this to all customers whom he could not find free or open source software to give them. The times his sales were good, are times when he buys software off a pirate... mostly at Digital Point, downloads it from a nulled website, or just takes open source software and replaces the company name and copyrights from the software with his own.

Also, Mike Mann had no employees in October 2007. I say this because I quit, his Indian developers quit for non payment (Salus Technologies), and his own nephew in law quit for non payment and extreme verbal abuse.

Mike will cuss you out, threaten you, insult you, then cancel your project and keep the deposit.

I advise someone to setup honey pots for him so he can be held accountable. I recommend that all ripped off by Mike Mann contact the Federal Trade Commision and FBI in the usa.

Unfortunately, he really screws over international customers, knowing that they will never take a legal stance.

The above was a comment made by your ex-employee and would explain everything.

If your such a big company as you claim, then refunding $1000 wouldnt be too much skin off your nose would it? And since you resold the games as you claim, that means I havent left you out of pocket but you have made me out of pocket to the tune of 4 figures. Would you say that was acceptable? Would anyone on Namepros say this was acceptable?

 

[.tv]

He did not pay. His attitude was poor. We cancelled his project and resold the games. End of story.

Hi,
The story did not end.

You got the funds from this kid, but sold the games to someone, ***YOU*** canceled his project, and now telling stories.

Refund his payment, or deliver the project(s). Do you think canceling a project but keeping the payment for that project is wise?

 

[SearchGuru1]

btw even if his attitude was "poor" as you say it was, he paid you to do a job. I know it might seem a little lowly for you to hear this since apparently you think your the top dog, but when you get paid from someone to do a job? They have a right to email you as many times as they want, or call you (if he really did call you).. YOU have their money. And any one of these people here would have done the same exact thing. Its called checking in and checking up. It doesnt necessarily mean he didnt trust you, obviously he did trust you somewhat considering he hired you. It means he gave you a good sum of money and wanted to make sure he was getting what you said he was getting and that you were actually doing the job.

I personally would be scared to death to KEEP someones money for a job that I didnt finish.

I think your main problem is that your really arrogant and dont understand the whole payer/payee concept. you think just because he chose you to do the work, that means you can treat him however you want. It just doesnt work that way, I dont care if your Bill Gates or the bum on the corner of fifth and first, you dont talk to people like that, especially people that GAVE you money to do a job, people that entrusted you to a certain point.

 

[sb225]

PLEASE take this jerk to court

court needs a lot of money to spend for lawers :blink:
better not to do business with this scammers or should use a new method
like escrow

 

[c0l0rad0]

The above was a comment made by your ex-employee and would explain everything.

Very true. That comment, as well as several others, was made by Jeff. He also stated not a week ago on the same place you saw this comment that he repaid the man he stole the money from.

Jeff, and his various screen names can say ANYTHING.

But that's not even at issue here.

We worked on this project a lot of long man-hours and I paid the developers who worked on it. Even though we have now used those games in another project it doesn't negate the cost to our company to have these games built (along with the template, admin panel, etc.).

No company, large or small, would refund a deposit when the work has been done, employees paid, man-hours invested, lost revenue from other projects that COULD have been done in that time, and intangible cost.

Sure, it's easy for these people to simply say 'give him a refund.' Hell, why not. It's not their money.

We did the work. We complied with the terms of the development agreement, and we owe no refund. Period.

You can call it a scam all day long, but that doesn't make you right. You defaulted on your payment to us - we did the work - and frankly, we are the ones scammed.

And, really folks, are you suggesting that a company will give out work, pay employees, comply with the agreement originally made, and then refund the money? Try that with any corporation you know of and see how far you get. They won't even take the time to try and explain, as I am doing.

I've shown the work. You all asked. I've explained we have too much invested to just give away the deposit (which is what a deposit is for, BTW). The deposit guarantees us that we don't work for nothing and that's just what this deposit did.

Kevin will NOT get his money back. He can take his complaints of how he got taken by just another coder to the shed, where it belongs.

I notice this is not his first time "being scammed." Seems to be a pattern. Somehow I have the feeling he gets what he deserves in these relationships.

 

[hey.co.uk]

We worked on this project a lot of long man-hours and I paid the developers who worked on it. Even though we have now used those games in another project it doesn't negate the cost to our company to have these games built (along with the template, admin panel, etc.).


...


We did the work. We complied with the terms of the development agreement, and we owe no refund. Period.

Interesting thread

Let me get this straight - you did the work, but have been paid by two different people for it? Or, you do not budget correctly and thus your quote is not realistic to costs involved?

I like the first concept, work once, get paid twice

 

[kev]

This is exactly what you've done. Everyone knows you didnt do any work on my site. Lets have a list of all your victims. All you claimed were being abusive to you, all who waited longer than they needed to, all never got there money back, all have said they havent received any work.

1) You stole $325 from Linkery of Monticello, New York
http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/282/RipOff0282554.htm

2) You stole $4500 from Susan of Fayetteville, Arkansas
http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/308/RipOff0308121.htm

3) You stole $600 from James Bunting
http://www.thesqueakywheel.com/complaints/2008/FEB/complaint22448.cfm

4) You stole $450 from Nick Burrett
http://www.thesqueakywheel.com/complaints/2007/NOV/complaint19828.cfm

5) You stole an undisclosed amount from a Mr Kauffman
http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/320/RipOff0320267.htm

6) You stole $1000 from me

Now, Im no Quincy, but wouldn't you say that was conclusive evidence that your a serial scammer?

I notice this is not his first time "being scammed." Seems to be a pattern. Somehow I have the feeling he gets what he deserves in these relationships.

Oh please. The only pattern I can see is you stealing deposits off innocent people.

 

[c0l0rad0]

This is exactly what you've done. Everyone knows you didnt do any work on my site. Lets have a list of all your victims. All you claimed were being abusive to you, all who waited longer than they needed to, all never got there money back, all have said they havent received any work.

1) You stole $325 from Linkery of Monticello, New York
http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/282/RipOff0282554.htm

2) You stole $4500 from Susan of Fayetteville, Arkansas
http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/308/RipOff0308121.htm

3) You stole $600 from James Bunting
http://www.thesqueakywheel.com/complaints/2008/FEB/complaint22448.cfm

4) You stole $450 from Nick Burrett
http://www.thesqueakywheel.com/complaints/2007/NOV/complaint19828.cfm

5) You stole an undisclosed amount from a Mr Kauffman
http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/320/RipOff0320267.htm

6) You stole $1000 from me

Now, Im no Quincy, but wouldn't you say that was conclusive evidence that your a serial scammer?



Oh please. The only pattern I can see is you stealing deposits off innocent people.

Ok, let's start with "never did any work on your site."

I can show the dummy template we did. I can show POOL (since you say this was so important), along with 2 other flash games and one poker application. I can show a back-end that is slick as greased lightning and that all games are real and play money, multiplayer games (as you requested).

How much do I need to show to indicate we worked for our money?

Linkery might have a legitimate beef.

We have NEVER done business with "Susan" of Fayettteville, AR. That is a fabrication of a disgruntled ex-employee. We have no client by that name.

We have NEVER done business with James Bunting. That is a fabrication of a disgruntled ex-employee. We have no client by that name.

Nick Burrett has issued a formal statement regarding this complaint. I have attached a copy of it here and you will see it posted to RipOffReports tonight after midnight (they do not update until after midnight each day).

"I’d like to say I believe this to be all resolved now, I think in the heat of the moment it all got out of control.

The facts as I see it are as follows:

I paid Jeff Paris aka phpl33t and zerofunk that I know of $450 through Paypal which was collected by Michael Mann of Web Media Projects. This was paid to Michael because Jeff Paris says he did not have a Paypal account. I believe that Michael passed this money on to Jeff and that’s where Michael’s involvement in this matter ceased. He acted in a totally professional manor.

Jeff Paris took the Money from Michael Mann and that’s who my complaint should have been with – the reason I went after Michael was because that’s who my Paypal receipt was made out to – but I now understand he did not have my money – Jeff did!

Jeff did eventually refund me $150 through Paypal as documented on the internet – but the money Jeff claims was sent by Western Union, well that is a complete lie! Jeff did in fact eventually complete some other work for me thus writing off his debt – but as a coder he let me down badly.

I hope this clears things up, to cut a long story short I have been repaid in full and I no longer have a complaint with Michael Mann."

This will be visible tonight, after midnight for all to see and his squeakywheel complaint is being cancelled for the same reason.

We have NEVER done business with a "Mr. Kaufman" (that I am aware of). This is a fabrication of a disgruntled ex-employee. We have no client with that name and don't know what we are supposed to have done to him.

Yes, Kevin, you might have a valid beef. I am of the opinion that once you started your BS I was in my rights to cancel your project. Maybe I am wrong, but NO BUSINESS that I know of is forced to deal with someone they don't want to. Ever heard the saying "we reserve the ight to refuse service to anyone"?

What you have done is perpetuate Jeff's character attack. He is a master of using multiple aliases to bolster his own complaints against people (google jeff paris scams or zerofunk scams). He has been cyber-stalking people he has disagreements with since 2004, that I know of and it's easy for him to rip off Nick Burrett, let Nick file a complaint, then, using multiple logins file a complaint, then another that supports the first and so on until it LOOKS convincing to anyone reading it.

I contacted Nick. He filed his correction to the original story when he saw what was going on and he had learned way back who the real culprit was.

Now, your complaint just looks like all the rest. makes pretty convincing reading when added all together.

Personally, Kevin, I don't care what you say. I came into this thread because your statements were going unchallenged and the cold fact is you never paid us for what you owed us. Period.

That's it in a nutshell, and anyone going to ripoffreports after midnight and looking at Nick's original complaint (that started all of this) will see what he has to say abut it.

Further, we have been doing this for over 6 years and strangely enough, these reports surfaced only 6 months or so ago -right after we fired jeff and filed a police report for theft of our laptop. All of the sudden we were ripping people off left and right.

Puleeezzzeeeee! We didn't just "all of the sudden" go bad. C'mon. We are a public corporation (Class C) duly registered with the SOS in Mississippi. Why would we kill ourselves over a few hundred dollars?

Our two biggest mistakes were in ever hiring Jeff Paris ( we should have googled him first) and in letting you get as far as you did with your BS.

 

[kev]

That is a fabrication of a disgruntled ex-employee. We have no client by that name.

We have NEVER done business with a "Mr. Kaufman" (that I am aware of). This is a fabrication of a disgruntled ex-employee. We have no client with that name and don't know what we are supposed to have done to him.

It's so easy to say that. So next time someone complains about you and see's my complaints, I can see you saying "That is a fabrication of a disgruntled ex-employee."

Yes, Kevin, you might have a valid beef. I am of the opinion that once you started your BS I was in my rights to cancel your project. Maybe I am wrong, but NO BUSINESS that I know of is forced to deal with someone they don't want to.

What BS? Because I enquired about where my 4 month overdue project was?

Correct. No business is forced to deal with someone they dont want to. If they do this, they refund the money. Simple as. Imagine a world where you took out a mortgage and paid into it for 20 years, and your mortgage provider turned round and said "Hey, i dont like this guy...im gonna keep his house"
It doesnt work like that!

Ever heard the saying "we reserve the ight to refuse service to anyone"?

No Your off in your own deluded wee world old yin.

Personally, Kevin, I don't care what you say. I came into this thread because your statements were going unchallenged and the cold fact is you never paid us for what you owed us. Period.

I paid you $1000. What have I got to show for it?

All of the sudden we were ripping people off left and right.

Yes, i agree with you on that one.

Puleeezzzeeeee! We didn't just "all of the sudden" go bad.

Well its clear to everyone you have. 6 Complaints....6 stolen deposits... 6 counts of fraud

The cold hard fact of the matter is...

Your a criminal.

 

[Idees]

This is Jeff Paris: http://forums.DigitalPoint/member.php?u=82519

They are currently settling their dispute: http://forums.DigitalPoint/showthread.php?t=811528

 

[kev]

Michael Mann got 10 years for fraud aye...

What a suprise :bah:

 

[phpl33t]

Mike, since you want to keep slandering me with lies, the truce is off.

Quit bringing me up as a scapegoat, I have nothing to do with any of this.

Do not believe ANTHING Mike says.

I am innocent of everything he claims. He is fraking insane.

Mike Mann got 10 years for Bank Fraud. He got caught trying to dot hat bank thing from the movie "office space" where software takes pannies at a time. What a dumb f**k. He also stole my $3500 Star Trek collection that I reported stolen today. He is also wanted by homeland security for haboring illegal immigrants.

How do I know? I USED to be his best friend.

Btw, I was not fired. I was cheated out of 3 paychecks.

Mike you stupid ****, I am not the one posting these. This dude just hit me up notifying me of what you said. The truce is off and I am letting the authorities know EVERYTHING I know.

MIKE FIGURE IT OUT! IT IS YOUR ****ING MOUTH THAT GETS YOU INTO TROUBLE!

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Originally Posted by REMOVED USERNAME

Hi there,

I wrote a rip off report about Michael Mann stealing $1000 from me

can you help me get it back

http://www.namepros.com/455069-micha...-1000-a-2.html

thanks mate
kev





Originally Posted by phpl33t
Best bet is a chargeback with your credit card company. Paypal automatically refunds those.




Originally Posted by REMOVED USERNAME

can you post on this thread

http://www.namepros.com/455069-micha...-1000-a-2.html

you've came up on it so it should be only right you respond and show this man for who he truely is.

thanks

 

[psalzmann]

Well looks like the cat's outta the bag now eh Mr. Mann?
I think it's time you get a real job there pal and quit scamming people. Your practice is out in the open now.

 

[duceman]

:gl: :blink:

 

[Dave]

People like you turn my stomach, badly. It is sickening to know that people like you, michal mann, exist in this world. There are people who struggle everyday to make ends meet, some people struggling for even basic necessities and then theres people like you, the scum. I have very good experience in web development/design and have been studying software engineering, and yet lately I have struggled finding work. In the past I have worked at dockyards with 6am starts, in a superstore with 4am starts and then people like you who spend their time scamming others.

Sick, very sick. Get a real job.

 

[Idees]

Well said Dave, Last year I got scammed out of $1k by a Chinese scammer.

That was the worst year I've have ever experienced in my life.

I am so glad I had family to get me through rent those months.

I don't know what goes through a person's mind when they are scamming a fellow person, and I never want too.

People like you turn my stomach, badly. It is sickening to know that people like you, michal mann, exist in this world. There are people who struggle everyday to make ends meet, some people struggling for even basic necessities and then theres people like you, the scum. I have very good experience in web development/design and have been studying software engineering, and yet lately I have struggled finding work. In the past I have worked at dockyards with 6am starts, in a superstore with 4am starts and then people like you who spend their time scamming others.

Sick, very sick. Get a real job.

 

[c0l0rad0]

Sure, Jeff, chime in

Ok, now Jeff is on here to bolster the same crap that started this some 8 months ago.

Whatever. I don't need to prove anything. I tried to show what work I did and why I did what I did, but I will not let Jeff come on here and ruin this board for other pople.

Peace out, folks.

 

[barefoottech]

Kev
1/ Sorry you were ripped off.
2/ Google is your friend ,you should always check before for Possible reports about Clients/Contractors Before ,not after making payments
3/ Put your $1000 down to experience and move on. Not worth engaging in Legal battles that will cost you more money.
4/ Contact me by PM in future if needing help finding programmers/contractors , I can help find suitable people. I have had 30 years in the IT and related fields .

c0l0rad0

In Viet Nam we dealt with people like you all the time. Big, bad asses.

Hundreds of fine young Men and Women lost their lives in Viet Nam , Don't Dishonour their memory by associating SCUM like you with them.
What SCUM like you did in Viet Nam, Laos, and Cambodia was Bomb, Poison ,Rape, Torture and Massacre Innocent civilians. Did that make you FEEL good dealing with Big Bad asses by killing their Babies. You need to stop living in the 1970's. Exactly how does quoting your supposed war record justify ripping people off.

1/ Professional ETHICS is not just a Phrase ,it is a way of dealing with clients in Business. It is apparent from your actions,comments and reaction you have NO Concept of ethical behaviour.

2/ Namepros is a community of like-minded and honest people , some are hobbyists,some part-timers and some like myself FULL-time Business owners. None of us want to associate with anyone that would even considering writing such gutter trash talk as you have in your postings. There is probably mis-understanding on both sides, but it is blatantly obvious from your reaction that the MAIN problem in this issue is YOU.
3/ I am recommending to -RJ- an immediate lifetime Ban for you , we do not want any one like you as a member of Namepros.com

 

[Zubair1]

Kev
1/ Sorry you were ripped off.
2/ Google is your friend ,you should always check before for Possible reports about Clients/Contractors Before ,not after making payments
3/ Put your $1000 down to experience and move on. Not worth engaging in Legal battles that will cost you more money.
4/ Contact me by PM in future if needing help finding programmers/contractors , I can help find suitable people. I have had 30 years in the IT and related fields .

c0l0rad0

Hundreds of fine young Men and Women lost their lives in Viet Nam , Don't Dishonour their memory by associating SCUM like you with them.
What SCUM like you did in Viet Nam, Laos, and Cambodia was Bomb, Poison ,Rape, Torture and Massacre Innocent civilians. Did that make you FEEL good dealing with Big Bad asses by killing their Babies. You need to stop living in the 1970's. Exactly how does quoting your supposed war record justify ripping people off.

1/ Professional ETHICS is not just a Phrase ,it is a way of dealing with clients in Business. It is apparent from your actions,comments and reaction you have NO Concept of ethical behaviour.

2/ Namepros is a community of like-minded and honest people , some are hobbyists,some part-timers and some like myself FULL-time Business owners. None of us want to associate with anyone that would even considering writing such gutter trash talk as you have in your postings. There is probably mis-understanding on both sides, but it is blatantly obvious from your reaction that the MAIN problem in this issue is YOU.
3/ I am recommending to -RJ- an immediate lifetime Ban for you , we do not want any one like you as a member of Namepros.com

Well Said.

 

[Bill]

c0l0rad0
Account Closed

Michael Mann.... or whoever you are...

You really do have some nerve. You have shown your true colors. You are a scammer. When you get caught, you get mad. We don't need your sorry lowlife scum here. Hopefully by keeping this post in public, Google will eat it up and people will found out WHO you really are.

Peace out, folks.

:wave: