Michael Mann Scammed me out of $1000

I donated 45 NP$ to you. I know its not much, but every cent counts I'll be giving more here and there. BTW, im 15 lol nearly 16, so I'm no rich guy either.

Ive got no more tips to add lol, everybody said everything you should do. I wish you luck with your studies. :gl:

You have his address so I only have 4 words:

ROAD TRIP + KICK ASS

kev said:

I just cant seem to get a get a break at the moment

Seems i cant trust anyone

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if it helps u feel better;
i m on my way of getting scammed by a guy on scriptlance.com for $400 i paid in advance and out of scriptlance escrow service

I am also 16, but I have got to say just 1 thing to you:

TAKE HIM TO THE COURTS AND KICK HIS ASS!!

these type of people i've seen them over and over again can only talk back like this when he's on the internet but when you meet this personally, they're all cowards.

do the right thing, put him in dog's cage. :bingo:

as far as i've seen you've been always a scam target/magnet maybe you can benefit from this by developing a anti-scam site something like noscam;com but developed and with content ( i don't own the domain ) and put in your experiences and accommodate others as they are being scammed or been scammed on the internet.

kev said:

Gave him a second chance - he didnt deliver, so Ive arranged an appointment with the Fraud Squad in my home town to bring charges. His ex-employees are backing me up. When I told him of this he said...


Charming man...

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Anything else so far?

Okay, so Michael Mann and Reuben Sutton are most likely the same guy. Reuben scammed me out of $300 with the promise we would be fixing bugs. He delivered nothing.

Watch out for this guy.

Ok, here is my list of suggestions to get issues sorted out, and I hope you will get your money.

1. I noticed that the crook is functioning from Mississippi. File a complaint with the local FBI branch.

FBI - Gulfport Area
1317 26th Ave # 2,
Gulfport, MS 39501
(228) 864-6131

FBI - Jackson Area
FBI Jackson
Room 1553, FOB
100 West Capitol Street
Jackson, Mississippi 39269-1601
jackson.fbi.gov
(601) 948-5000

2. You should have all his email correspondences. Get a clean printout of all his email correspondences *including full headers*

3. Send a copy of the printouts along with a formal complaint letter indicating the ripoff to Innovate IT, the owner of GetaFreelancer.com.

Innovate IT address:
Innovate IT
Box 784
53117 Lidköping
Sweden

4. I recently filed a complaint at eConsumer , regarding a ripoff by a Swedish hosting firm. Within a week, I got my funds back from that swedish scammers. So I suggest you to file a complaint with eConsumer at the earliest.

5. File a complaint at IC3. Before filing a complaint, make sure that you have all the evidences in a PDF form. Save all your email correspondences and that crook's email correspondences with *FULL HEADERS* in the form of PDF.

I hope this will help you to recover your funds.

Update me with your proceedings. I will be happy to assist you.

All the best!

Kevin, check paypal right away and see what the time limit is to file a dispute. If you fall within the time limit you can hand these emails to paypal as they will moderate the dispute and by the looks of it you should get a full refund.

It seems like this conartist was only trying to delay with promises to you so you exceed the deadline for a chargeback. It is not your fault but this should be a lesson for all that when paying by paypal for services keep a close eye on the clock for a possible dispute. If you have multiple phases to a project push to at least get phase one done before the dispute cutoff or like someone mentioned about use escrow only. Many of those sites highly recommend escrow services but many of the contractors will ask you not to use it and they will ask you very nicely.

Kev, I hope everything works out and this slime gets what is coming to him.

Ok Ive got a bit of free time to pursue this now.

Ive sent emails to the FBI in Jackson/Gulfport, econsumer.gov and a further email to paypal.

ill update everyone on the progress :tu:

Thanks for all your help so far!

Yes pursue this...USA has great laws IF people use them. You could probably even call his local police department to report the scam. They might say it's a civil matter but if you press it with the local DA he might prosecute..especially if you can prove the history. As a US citizen I prefer to deal with people here...I know I can always get on a plane to pay them a nice friendly visit. To be honest..I stopped paying people significant money to do work for me. If it's over $100...I would rather do it myself even if it sucks and it takes me forever. Most "programmers" that are within my budget suck and take forever anyways (that's if they don't scam me).

Sucks bro...I just donated 100NP to you. Small token of assistance. You always been a good guy here and it stinks you got scammed.

Thanks Jesse for your kind words :tu: :great:

I may be wrong here, but I don't think PayPal will issue the chargeback, regardless of the overwhelming evidence. Software is intangible, so they really can't be of much help.

However, I missed if you said whether or not you guys had a contract set forth? Is it possible that your correspondence through getafreelancer could be officially binding in a court of law? I've never used the system before so I don't know about that either.

Sorry and best of luck with the whole thing. Cross-country claims sound difficult to work out..

Ok. Before I get banned for being such a "bad boy" I'd like a chance to rebut some of this trash.

Kevin, you didn't mention that we showed you a template that you accepted, with modifications.

Nor did you mention that we hand coded several multiplayer games for you that are not available anywhere on the internet and that you also saw those.

Or, that we showed you a backend that is as sophisticated as they come and you also saw that.

I see people on here saying they could clone king.com for a couple of hundred bucks. Ok, I will pay anyone on here the couple hundred that can supply multipayer server based games with a site for that amount. I'll place the money in escrow and pay it gladly on showing me that it is done.

Yes, I am a member of DP and have been for a long time. My rep points speak for themselves. I have conducted myself in a professional manner for years until an ex-employee stole a laptop, burned a client, broke into our offices and then had the audacity to go on ripoffreports and file claims in multiple names which were designed to ruin my business.

We are a Mississippi corporation in good standing (class C - public) and have been in business over 7 years. Strange that this all started maybe 6-7 months ago when we fired Jeff and filed a police report regarding the theft of our laptop.

Also, strange, that if you look at the original ripoff report that started this all Jeff (phpl33t - one of his screen names) has posted a new message that HE PAID BACK NICK BURRETT (the original filer).

In googling Jeff Paris Scams (or zerofunk scams) it's of note that as far back as 2004 he was accused by multiple people of stalking on the internet (when he gets mad) and using multiple names to do exactly what he has done to us.

The damage to our company is done and nothing will remove it form ripoffreports, except time.

Thank god we keep emails and/or other communications so that when we Do get inquiries from the authorities we can show what we did, or didn't do, and why.

Like your project. You paid us a 1/3rd deposit, spread out over several weeks (presumably because of your partner) and when it was finally paid we started your work. You got an SOW, as promised, you saw a template, as promised and you saw custom coded multiplayer games, as promised.

In the couse of 3 months you sent me 72 emails (I have them all) and called me I don't know how many times to inquire about your project. Towards the end, yes, I started getting short with you. I even used unprofessional language in the end.

The other complaints you point to all claim we never produced anything. However, we stand prepared to display what we produced for you and strangely enough, for you, we did work, but not for any of the "other" complainers.

Yes, I suspended work on your project after the 70th email and (seems like) 100th phone call. All you had paid was a deposit and before you even asked us for a refund or completion you filed a paypal complaint and a ripoffreport against us.

We had worked well over 60 man-hours on your project and I have a staff to pay. This work is not free. We are a corporation.

You had our development terms before we began and you KNEW this was a deposit that paid you up to beta preview. That's all.

Now, I'm not saying I acted in the most professional of manners either. My temper got the best of me, which is not professional. For that, I am sorry.

However, before you continue to slander me and make these people feel oh so sorry for the little boy caught by the big, bad wolf, please tell it like it was all the way. Not just the part most favorable to your lament.

And, if you going to quote Jeff and his aliases (zerofunk, phpl33t, Kahn, nawresh and others) then please note that he refunded the money to the one and only true complaint we had because, as we stated, we never took it.

While this "weinie roast" is somewhat interesting on a long night - you ended up being a problem before we suspended your project and, of course, like a child, you keep on being a problem.

Since so many people on here can make you a king.com clone for a couple hundred (or less) i personally offer to escrow, and pay, $500 to anyone here who provides this guy with a clone to include multiplayer games, game server and site.

Hopefully, before a moderator bans me from here we can get a taker and I will pay to have your site completed - as long as I don't have to listen to your incessant whining.

Regards,
Michael Mann
CEO
Web media Projects, Inc.

p.s.

Any of you "bad boys" want to come visit me, Kevin posted my address. Come see what a coward I am. This address is my families home. My wife, children and sometimes grandchildren. Come get some. He doesn't post our company office. Just my families home. Well, Viet Nam taught me to deal with threats from idiots, so, come see me.

Hope things go well in the end

gemstar said:

Hope things go well in the end

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Thanks.

Personally, I am prepared to make it right if we both adhere to the terms of the development agreement and I am left alone to do the work.

In the alternative, I have made an offer to anyone of the people who claim they can do a clone for a few hundred bucks to place an escrow and pay for it when they produce it - and then I will give it to Kevin (having paid for it).

Regards,
Michael Mann

c0l0rad0 said:

Nor did you mention that we hand coded several multiplayer games for you that are not available anywhere on the internet and that you also saw those.

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I can honestly say I never saw the games that you were going to make for me. The essential game I needed was Pool and I never saw that.

c0l0rad0 said:

Or, that we showed you a backend that is as sophisticated as they come and you also saw that.

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No, show me the email that you sent about this because I can assure you Ive never seen a backend for this.

c0l0rad0 said:

We are a Mississippi corporation in good standing (class C - public) and have been in business over 7 years. Strange that this all started maybe 6-7 months ago when we fired Jeff and filed a police report regarding the theft of our laptop.

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Im not your only complainer. You seem to draw out a project and hope your customers forget about it. These clients of yours had the exact same problem as me. They wanted a project done and had to wait months and still didnt get anything. Then you say "kiss my ass" in each case. You seem to be a sweet talking con man and because Ive contacted the police and stood up to you, you seem to be running scared.

http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/282/RipOff0282554.htm
http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/308/RipOff0308121.htm

c0l0rad0 said:

Like your project. You paid us a 1/3rd deposit, spread out over several weeks (presumably because of your partner)

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No, I paid you $500 on 9th October 2007 and $500 on the 19th October...hardly several weeks.

c0l0rad0 said:

You got an SOW, as promised, you saw a template, as promised and you saw custom coded multiplayer games, as promised.

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Your SOW was hardly professional material
i remember it consisted of only a few lines and even that took you a few weeks to get round to.

I saw a template 1shuffle.net and I said it wasnt up to scratch. I was going to pay $3,000 and i didnt want a cheap rip-off. I never saw anything else.

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In the couse of 3 months you sent me 72 emails (I have them all) and called me I don't know how many times to inquire about your project. Towards the end, yes, I started getting short with you. I even used unprofessional language in the end.

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I have never once called you so that is a blatent lie. Can you honestly say hand on heart we have ever spoke? Come on mate...you need to be honest here if we are going to get anywhere.

c0l0rad0 said:

Yes, I suspended work on your project after the 70th email and (seems like) 100th phone call. All you had paid was a deposit and before you even asked us for a refund or completion you filed a paypal complaint and a ripoffreport against us.

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I never filed a paypal complaint! i paid back in October so the point I could have filed a complaint has passed months ago? Right?

c0l0rad0 said:

You had our development terms before we began and you KNEW this was a deposit that paid you up to beta preview. That's all.

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Beta Preview? Ive not seen a fully functional beta for my site. A beta site is a working model which was supposed to be branded around my name Zurm.com. Please post it on here for us all to see.

c0l0rad0 said:

Now, I'm not saying I acted in the most professional of manners either. My temper got the best of me, which is not professional. For that, I am sorry.

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Your conduct was far from satisfactory.
Here are the terms we agreed to


So. May 2008, why am I still waiting for a site agreed to be completed within 2 weeks back in October 2007?

Also, you sent this email on the 19th October 2007


So, if you were telling the truth, why was I still enquiring months later? The only reason I sent regular emails was because you never replied and never kept a promise. Would you say this was professional?

c0l0rad0 said:

However, before you continue to slander me and make these people feel oh so sorry for the little boy caught by the big, bad wolf, please tell it like it was all the way. Not just the part most favorable to your lament.

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Please dont call me a little boy. Im 19 and more of a professional than you.

c0l0rad0 said:

While this "weinie roast" is somewhat interesting on a long night - you ended up being a problem before we suspended your project and, of course, like a child, you keep on being a problem.

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So I ended up being a problem because I kept enquiring about a site which was months overdue? Im sure everyone on NP would do the same.

c0l0rad0 said:

Hopefully, before a moderator bans me from here we can get a taker and I will pay to have your site completed.

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If you can do this, we can maybe reach some sort of agreement.

Sorry, I hit "post" by mistake before I had all of the response done.

c0l0rad0 said:

Kevin,

That is simply NOT TRUE!

We have one of the slickest [b}hand coded[/b] pool games going with multiple ways to play (billiards, 8-ball) and with "call your pocket" enabled on the 8-ball.

You DID see it. You saw it, checkers (hand coded), dominoes (hand coded) and poker. All of these are true multiplayer games that use a server app we hand built. They all allow for real money or play money play and YOU DID SEE THEM.

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Post a link to it then. And answer some of the questions Ive asked you.

Kevin,

That is simply NOT TRUE!

We have one of the slickest hand coded pool games going with multiple ways to play (billiards, 8-ball) and with "call your pocket" enabled on the 8-ball.

You DID see it. You saw it, checkers (hand coded), dominoes (hand coded) and poker. All of these are true multiplayer games that use a server app we hand built. They all allow for real money or play money play and YOU DID SEE THEM.

You saw a backend that manages users, manages money, allows you to set percentages, allows you to add or remove new games/old games and allows you to monitor all the money in and out of the gameroom.

Why do you claim to have never seen them?

Why do claim to have never talked to me on the telephone?

There is no-one other than an ex-employee using multiple login names ever written about me OTHER THAN NICK BURRETT who was ripped off by this very same ex-employee who has now STATED FOR THE RECORD ON RIPOFFREPORTS THAT HE HAS PAID NICK BACK. Nick is the only "REAL" person to ever complain about me and even though he has been paid back by the person who stole his money he is still maintaining his complaint (and Jeff posted PROOF that he repaid him).

You make a bad assumption that I am talking to you because of your threat to involve the police. It's almost laughable. As someone said a bit earlier in this thread, Mississippi had a "good old boy' system of justice and I can almost assure you that you DO NOT want to come to this county and make your claims. You would wind up losing much more than you claim you did.

In fact, since you think it's the police that is making me talk with you there is not much more else to say. Send them. See how far THAT get's you.

No, Kevin, you are NOT professional, at all. You claim you paid me right away. Do you forget that I had to ask you TWICE and you kept telling me it was your partner dragging his feet? Try and remember, Kevin, because I have the emails we exchanged.

Ok, so it took you 10 days and not several weeks to make the deposit. Not exactly according to our terms of development, was it?

Yes, I will swear on my daughters head that we talked by telephone, kevin. You KNOW we did. Enough said about that point.

Actually, no. A beta preview is HOSTED ON OUR SERVERS and is NOT branded with your logo and whatever else. A beta preview is designed for you to test the functions we are building into the site, as well as look at a BASIC template. Once the functions are approved and debugged then we build the site around them so that they are coded into the final template.

And, yes, you DID see a template that was quite adequate for the testing. Of course, you'll deny that our conversation (which we never had) was that at beta stage you'll tell us what all we need to change to make it to the delivery stage. Right?

Read stage two again, Kevin. Read it aloud since you seem to have lousy cognitive skills.

You are still waiting because we suspended your project for non payment and we advised you of that.

In addition, I personally told you that your incessant emails and demands and demanding nature would kill our work for you - and it did.

You ARE a little boy, Kevin, and you acted like one the entire time we worked for you. You whined and wheedled and threatened and demanded and on and on and on. Anyone looking at your earlier complaints filed against me would see that you haven't been waiting until May for answers. You had them LONG before this and you chose to jump on Jeffs bandwagon and malign me on ripoffreports and a few other places.

It is true that when you changed the nature of the job to true multiplayer gaming it increased our development time. When we started this you looked at gamesiteonline and was happy to go with flash games. Later, the multiplayer server versions came up and we hand coded them for you.

And, I stand by my statement - people on here talk about how easy and how cheaply they can make a king.com clone. Hell, I think I saw $80.00 at one time. I will pay into escrow up to $500 for release to ANYONE who can make a king.com clone for that amount with true server based multiplayer real and play money games. And, I will then give you the development and we'll be quits - even though you never paid us for the beta work.

So, there you have it. I can, and will, show the games to any disinterested third party on here as well as the backend, template and anything else we completed on your project before you tried to take back what you paid and defaulted on the second payment. We still have them all, Kevin. ALL OF THEM.

I will not deal with a child. Send me a man to deal with. Please.

psalzmann said:

Okay, so Michael Mann and Reuben Sutton are most likely the same guy. Reuben scammed me out of $300 with the promise we would be fixing bugs. He delivered nothing.

Watch out for this guy.

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I have no idea who the hell you're talking about. But, of course, it's easy for you to accuse, right? You don't even know me or my company.

We run a Class-C, public corporation and have NEVER, I repeat, NEVER had to hide behind aliases or multiple user names (like some of my protagonists). I come right out as me and argue my side of the coin.

My name is Michael David Mann and I hide form no man - least of all in cyberspace. My god, man, get a life!

Michael,

Please show me the games. You claim you have designed them so show everyone on Namepros you have designed them by posting a link to them.

c0l0rad0 said:

Why do claim to have never talked to me on the telephone?

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I find it shocking how you can lie about speaking on the phone. If I have, what is my personal number then?

c0l0rad0 said:

No, Kevin, you are NOT professional, at all. You claim you paid me right away. Do you forget that I had to ask you TWICE and you kept telling me it was your partner dragging his feet? Try and remember, Kevin, because I have the emails we exchanged.

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Do you forget I had to send 70 emails about my project, and I never once got a decent reply as to when my site would be completed? You said it would be delivered within 2 weeks (see previous screenshot with your terms) and I even believed it would be done up until March 2008.

c0l0rad0 said:

Ok, so it took you 10 days and not several weeks to make the deposit. Not exactly according to our terms of development, was it?

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This is the most hypocritical thing I have ever heard. According to our terms, you were required to design my site within 2 weeks. November 2007 it was supposed to be done.

c0l0rad0 said:

Yes, I will swear on my daughters head that we talked by telephone, kevin. You KNOW we did. Enough said about that point.

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Im actually starting to get tired of your lies. I have never spoke to you on the phone before and the fact you can swear on your daughters life makes me feel physically sick.

c0l0rad0 said:

You ARE a little boy, Kevin, and you acted like one the entire time we worked for you.

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c0l0rad0 said:

I will not deal with a child. Send me a man to deal with. Please.

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Well, I think Namepros will decide who the little boy is here. Maybe in your old age your starting to go a bit senile

c0l0rad0 said:

So, there you have it. I can, and will, show the games to any disinterested third party on here as well as the backend, template and anything else we completed on your project before you tried to take back what you paid and defaulted on the second payment. We still have them all, Kevin. ALL OF THEM.

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Why wont you show them to me? It was me you were designing the site for in the first place right?

Just show the work and let the drama end.

coloado said:

Ok, I will pay anyone on here the couple hundred that can supply multipayer server based games with a site for that amount. I'll place the money in escrow and pay it gladly on showing me that it is done.

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this is my favorite part.
I had nothing but positive experiences from RAC, escrow is the key to holding these "scammers" feet to the fire.

colorado said:

I have conducted myself in a professional manner for years

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Professional?
Negative, I do know you would not talk to me like that.

Professional? No professional talks to a customer like that!

It's funny how he restates your name every sentence.

Hi Michael ,
Show the games you dev'ed for Kev.