LLLL.com evaluation thread

[italiandragon]

While the last LLLL.com are taken (you can check www.dyyo.com to know how many are left) , I really feel the need to have a sort of 4L price guide on the same sort of the 3L/ 3 chars price guide.

I asked to people to create a database of LLLL.com sales but it seems no one can do it so I`m going to create it myself as much as I can on just a forum thread. If I knew how to create a database I was doing it.

Keep in mind that this thread is still in the early stage and I`ll update it as much as I can. I will update this first post so it will be easier for everyone to know what`s going on in the LLLL.com aftermarket. It is going to take me a lot of my spare time but I hope that eventually soon , someone will create a software that will run by itself Till then , let`s hope I can have time!

So, just for the newbies , let`s see what we already know about the 3 chars.com price guide:

"The quality of the letter composition can play a significant role in determining 3-letter valuations. General concensus states that the letters A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, L, M, N, O, P, R, S, T are considered premium letters. Other lesser high quality letters include: J, K, U, V, W. Lower quality letters include: Q, X, Y, Z. Domains selling for less than the above figures would represent a strong buy in today's market. Premium letter only domains tend to fetch a 500% to 600% premium (or more) over the Minimum Wholesale Price. Mixed letter quality domains have valuations somewhere in the middle of these two extremes."


I think we could adjust the same rules to the LLLL.com

Let`s play a little bit with the letters to find out what are the minimun reseller prices as for now , end of September 2007 (NOTE: THIS FIRST THREAD IS CONSTANTLY UPDATED WITH THE NEW INFO HIGHLIGHTED IN RED)

Obviously we should analyse in this thread ONLY the NON pronunciable ones to consider ONLY the quality of letters, so not even a very well known acronym but only 4 random letters.

For the "other" LLLL.com sales and evaluations based on pronunciability , then you may find useful this other thread:

http://www.namepros.com/domain-name-discussion/358387-the-llll-com-sales-report-thread.html

I`ll start with my opinion but feel free to add yours so we can get to a sort of price guide.

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A LLLL.com including 2 or more of "Q, X, Y, Z" (as long as they are not 2 of the same) I`d say less no more than $10 since there are still 12,000 of them left.

EXAMPLE: GXZH.com (no more than $10)

There is one example of these ones right now on ebay, ending in less than 3 hours:

http://cgi.ebay.com/hzxv-com-Origin...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


Obviously even with 2 "bad letters" , when they start to be pronunciable this is what happens:

ZAYM.com $201

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162205723&category0=&fvi=1

Double letters such as:

GXXH.com
ZZDC.com
FYYT.com
DRQQ.com

I`d appraise them at minimun $20-$30 depending on the letters. Double but not consecutives letters would just be below the above ones.


XSXT.com $20.50

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=170160241510&category0=&fvi=1



Triple bad letters such as:

QQQD.com
FZZZ.com
RXXX.com
YYYG.com

I`d appraise them at minimun $70-$100 depending on the letters.


Then we may analyse the ones with only 1 bad letter (always Q, X, Y, Z):

FGZS.com
EYDF.com
PXSE.com
TFQG.com

These kind of LLLL .com are still available so reg fee to $10 , must be for them.


UPDATED:

SOME AUCTIONS ON EBAY ARE GETTING ABOVE $10:


http://cgi.ebay.com/ZWTO-com-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/FGXR-com-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

UPDATE 13 OCTOBER: ON EBAY PRICES ARE CONSTANTLY ABOVE $10 FOR LLLL WITH JUST 1 BAD LETTER , SOMETIMES ABOVE $20 TOO.

ZATB.com $12.49

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=270170293855&category0=&fvi=1

RLYN.com $36

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200159375608&category0=&fvi=1


RBYK.com $29.99

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200163278990&category0=&fvi=1


HRHY.com $30.80

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162203800&category0=&fvi=1


YATG.com $23.95

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162885146&category0=&fvi=1


a double letter with 1 bad letter :

IIZP.com $42

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300161869692&category0=&fvi=1




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Then we have the ones which include the group "lesser high quality letters": J, K, U, V, W.

These ones have lately bought totally so the minimun reseller price must be above reg fee , let`s say $10 - $20 depending from the letters. Some people tend to include J, K and U in the premium letters. I`d definitely include the vowel U but I guess this is a personal point of view.
Even here at NP , LLLL including just the letter U tend to outperform this category:

FGUB.com $32 (October 2007)

http://www.namepros.com/domains-for-sale-auctions/383276-fgub-com-1-start-great-4letter.html

It may be also useful to consider that K and W were sold out earlier than J and V.



There is one example of these ones right now on ebay, ending in 3 hours:

http://cgi.ebay.com/UMGV-COM-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


UPDATE 25 OCTOBER:

Things are getting hotter (at the moment less than 7000 LLLL are left) and U and this category is quickly raising its reselling value on EBAY:

DPTU.com $54.51 now

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162512206&category0=&fvi=1


RWEO.com $78.00

http://cgi.ebay.com/RWEO-com-LLLL-4...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


The letter U and W obviously are not that bad

The letter V in Italian is very much used , while in China is not so a lot depends from your background.

J is not my favourite in this group (as in the Italian alphabet there is no J-K-W-X-Y ) but certainly is getting attention by someone else:

RCEJ.com $30

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=120172045546&category0=&fvi=1


Then we have 2 of the group J, K, U, V, W such as:

GJJA.com
FVVO.com
KKTR.com

I`d say $30 to $50 as they are all gone and the double letter will increase their rarity.


FNKK.com $52

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162204984&category0=&fvi=1

2 of them but not the same 2 (double) are less valuable:

http://cgi.ebay.com/VWTP-com-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

VDUZ.com $26

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...from=R8&satitle=200159969339&category0=&fvi=1


WPEJ.com $23.15

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200163499690&category0=&fvi=1


With 3 of them , like :

GJJJ.com
FVVV.com
KKKT.com

I`d say $100 -$150

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Then we have the best of the best: ALL PREMIUM letters:


A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, L, M, N, O, P, R, S, T



Names like CLFO.com or FGTR.com or ATFI.com are going to get $$$.

I can`t find any of these LLLL.com for less than $100 , sometimes not even $200 buy them.
So I`d say a really minimun of $100 to easily $200 each.
At places like Snapnames.com, the all premium letters even if they are non pronunciables , are going already for above $400 and the market is getting hotter day by day.

If the name appears to have 2 of a kind like:

SSFO.com or GBBT.com then we should be at minimun $200 to $300

3 of a kind such DDDF.com or TLLL.com will get over $300 to $500

SPECIALS​

Anything like this is an added value.

In my daily observation of LLLL.com sales I noticed that any of the following abbreviations and/or suffixes are more valuable:

- IT (Information Tecnology or Italy)

- MY

Examples:

IMYO.com $449

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...from=R8&satitle=300158326938&category0=&fvi=1

BMMY.com $350

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18688&tracked=&partnerid=


HFMY.com $37.50

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162885558&category0=&fvi=1


- UK

UKIX.com ended on TDNAM.com @ $146

- DE

- US

- CA

- OZ (Australia)

- NZ (new Zealand)

- GO

- HI

Examples:

HIXV.com $59 (October 2007)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...from=R8&satitle=120169750537&category0=&fvi=1

- OK

- KG

- CV (Curriculum Vitae)

- DR (Doctor)

- DJ

Examples:

DJBX.com $45 (October 2007)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=170158507650&category0=&fvi=1


And more that I`ll add as soon as I can think of them!

Also,some letters add value because of their very common use.

The letter E , I and O add value usually because can mean E-lectronic , I-nternet and O-nline.

Other nice letters are:

C for Corporation or Company , L for Limited , A for Association.

The best positions are usually in the first or in the 4th spot depending from the letter. For example E will be better in the first spot while L for Limited will be better in the 4th spot but all of these letters can add value.


Other special categories that attract a bonus are based on the numbers of vowels.
There are only 5 vowels so the LLLL.com with 4 vowels are extremely rare and even the ones with 3 vowels perform very well as their demand is high.

Some recent examples:

OEOV.com $56

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=110183807446&category0=&fvi=1


EOAJ.com $52

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=110183814160&category0=&fvi=1

CVCV & VCVC​

Let`s start from the TOP this time:

CVCV.com

all premium letters Like BIFE.com or DAGO.com

minimun......well here it is hard since prices increase quickly ....maybe $1,500 ?


CVCV.com with 1 bad letter like BIZE or DAQO.com about $800

CVCV.com with 1 bad and 1 average letters like NUQE.com or VAXO.com about $500

CVCV.com with 1 bad and 2 average letters like WUQA.com or ZOVU.com

about $300

It was right WUQA.com that made me realize that I forgot the 1 bad + 2 average ones. People reported that WUQA.com ended on TDNAM.com at $315 (end of October)

CVCV.com with 2 bad letters like QEZI.com or ZIXO.com about $400

CVCV.com with 2 bad letters and 1 average letter like QUZI.com or ZUXO.com about $300

CVCV.com with 2 bad and 2 average letters (MUST BE DOUBLE U) like QUZU.com or ZUXU.com about 300



Now let`s see the VCVC.com

all premium letters Like IFEB.com or AGOC.com about $1,000 ?

VCVC.com with 1 bad letter like IZEB or AQOC.com about $500

VCVC.com with 1 bad and 1 average letters like OZUD.com or AXUF.com about $300 - $350 (I sold OZUD.com on SEDO in August for $330)

VCVC.com with 2 bad letters like AXEZ.com or IQOX.com about $200

VCVC.com with 2 bad letters and 1 average letter like UXEZ.com or UXOQ.com about $100

VCVC.com with 2 bad and 2 average letters (MUST BE DOUBLE U) like UZUQ.com or UXUZ.com about 100



I`m currently taking input on the CVCV and the VCVC where Y is the last vowel.

The first recent example is this one:

OGYZ.com $57.99

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200157925898&category0=&fvi=1


I leave the CVVC and VCCV to others as I did not have much experience with them yet.


SALES OF RANDOM (NON PRONUNCIABLE) LLLL.COM AT OTHER VENUES:

SEDO.com​

Interesting Sedo Auctions show many crappy LLLL.com with bids

UPDATE: CHECK THE AUCTIONS BELOW THAT ARE NOW ALL ENDED....PRICES ARE GETTING SHOCKING!

zekh.com $120

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18336&tracked=&partnerid=

zeow.com $300

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18360&tracked=&partnerid=

ucnk.com $120

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18468&tracked=&partnerid=

ahlq.com $243

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18528&tracked=&partnerid=


hobf.com 100 Eur= $140

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18576&tracked=&partnerid=


jvbb.com 100 Eur=$140

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18693&tracked=&partnerid=

yvze.com 70 Euros=$105

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18730&tracked=&partnerid=


Are we already starting to see a minimun price of $100 for each LLLL.com ?


Please share your opinions on the one of the hottest niches of the domain market

Thank you

 

[buckshotdots]

i think 'Q' can be good sometimes at beginning or end.

I have 'FOLQ'

sounds like 'Folk' :imho:

Very nice one indeed. My LLLL's that start/end with a Q-

Qork.com cork
Qoks.com ahem...
Jirq.com jerk
Qikk.com kick
Oinq.com oink
Cenq.com 5 in french?

Thanks, Gary.

 

[Travis]

Very nice one indeed.
Qikk.com kick

I read that as quick, but either way it would be good.

 

[VURG]

Or do you define a domain like YZUQ.com a VCVC? In that case I agree with you.

Yes, I consider YZUQ.com as a low grade VCVC.com

Medium Grade VCVC.com should be in the $35+ range

If the domain has double starting or double ending letters, they tend to attract a small premium.

I had noticed this. Not really sure why.

What about if the double letter is in the middle of the name? Does that still attract a similar interest?

I think if the one pair LLLL.com is to be split into sub-categories, it would be ideal if you could split it into consecutive and non-consecutive one pair LLLL.com domains. However, the demand has to justify that these sub-categories should exist.

(e.g.
Consecutive - HHQZ.com, QHHZ.com & QZHH.com
Non-Consecutive - HQZH.com,HQHZ.com & QHZH.com)

Thanks.. anyone wants to give it a try to attach a price to those two
I've got many similar ones also

~MG

I put them in the low grade VCVC.com category that I valued at reg fee. I wouldn't be too concerned about this. Low grade CVCV.com (e.g. HUQY.com) were available in January for regfee but now almost all are backordered. I expect most low grade VCVC.com to be backordered sometime in the next 12 months pushing your value up past $60 very quickly.

 

[WORDSWORTH]

I had noticed this. Not really sure why.

What about if the double letter is in the middle of the name? Does that still attract a similar interest?

I think if the one pair LLLL.com is to be split into sub-categories, it would be ideal if you could split it into consecutive and non-consecutive one pair LLLL.com domains. However, the demand has to justify that these sub-categories should exist.

(e.g.
Consecutive - HHQZ.com, QHHZ.com & QZHH.com
Non-Consecutive - HQZH.com,HQHZ.com & QHZH.com).

With otherwise lower quality domains (such as those in your example), I have only observed this trend where the double letter is at the start or end:

HHQZ.com and QZHH.com would sell for low $xx. I have seen domains of similar quality advertised for more but seldom seen them sold for more than $25.

There are no available to register domains that fit this model. Any drops are quickly picked up (some by me). Whenever a commodity is scarce, it generally increases the demand and therefore the price. The same thing happened with VCVC domains and LLLL.com names starting with A.

Lower quality domains with double letters in the center, e.g. QHHZ.COM are only worth reg. fee at the moment IMO. I have not seen any $xx sales. This may be because the last remaining names that fit this model were only bought out very recently. Indeed, some may still be available to register.

Lower quality domains with non-consecutive letters are worth reg. fee IMO. Again, I have not seen any $xx sales.

I class lower quality domains as those with more than one of QXYZ that are not pronounceable or particularly memorable and have few Google search results and limited acronym value.

Matt.

 

[DomainMagnate]

What do you think about the values of tripple letter LLLL's? Like YYYb.com?
Most of them were registered over 3 years ago

They are in fact more rare than cvcv.com


~MG

 

[WORDSWORTH]

What do you think about the values of tripple letter LLLL's? Like YYYb.com
Most of them were registered over 3 years ago

They are in fact more rare than cvcv.com


~MG

Let's look at some recent SnapNames sales of similar domains (August to October 2007):

gggp.com $301
trrr.com $405
krrr.com $201
fffg.com $785
zzzr.com $201

Without analyzing your domain for metrics, I would value it at $200-$250 based on these sales as it contains three Y's.

Matt.

 

[Pred]

What do you think about the values of tripple letter LLLL's? Like YYYb.com?
Most of them were registered over 3 years ago

They are in fact more rare than cvcv.com


~MG

Rare, nice for domainers to collect. I like them, but to be honest for endusers these are best imo:

CVCV or VCVC for web 2.0 startups

or

L-L-L for small-medium Business acronyms. Standard businesses with 3 L

:imho:
nb: i saw LLLW.com on sedo other day
Was bidding on as really liked, but it went pretty cheap as felt seller may have shilled it. may be wrong, in which case i missed out

 

[DomainMagnate]

Thanks Matt!
That's not much.. I guess its better to wait with these.

$210 for LLLw.com -very cheap indeed!



~MG

 

[buckshotdots]

Here is a live auction at snap for a LLLL that starts with an X, I don't really like it too much but with 1 hour left its at $64.

xulg.com Live Auction 1h 9m $64.00

Final price was $64.

Also did anyone see the one at tdnam right now Ibob? Will be interesting to see final price on that one.

gary-

 

[italiandragon]

OGYZ.COM ended on EBAY at $57.99


Price increase for VCVC with Y and bad letter (Z)


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...&ftrv=1&saprclo=&saprchi=&fsop=1&fsoo=1&fvi=1

 

[italiandragon]

Interesting Sedo Auctions show many crappy LLLL.com with bids

UPDATE: CHECK THE AUCTIONS BELOW THAT ARE NOW ALMOST ALL ENDED....PRICES ARE GETTING SHOCKING!

zekh.com $120

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18336&tracked=&partnerid=

zeow.com $300

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18360&tracked=&partnerid=

ucnk.com $120

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18468&tracked=&partnerid=

ahlq.com $243

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18528&tracked=&partnerid=


bmmy.com $350 (this one can be considered more valuable because it has the word "my" in it)

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18688&tracked=&partnerid=

hobf.com 100 Eur= $140

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18576&tracked=&partnerid=


jvbb.com 100 Eur=$140

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18693&tracked=&partnerid=

yvze.com 70 Euros=$105

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18730&tracked=&partnerid=

And look this one just ended on EBAY:

IMYO.com $449

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...from=R8&satitle=300158326938&category0=&fvi=1


Are we already starting to see a minimun price of $100 for each LLLL.com ?

 

[DomainMagnate]

Lorenzo, good find!
And these are some really crappy names, even my worst ones are way better :D
Looks like people are getting overexcited about LLLL.com's.. which is a good thing ..

~MG

 

[italiandragon]

Keep an eye on TDNAM.com where:

iBob.com is in the last 10 hours with higher Bid just above $500 , that`s a great one.

Lorenzo, good find!
And these are some really crappy names, even my worst ones are way better :D
Looks like people are getting overexcited about LLLL.com's.. which is a good thing ..

~MG

And the final prices (only the first ones are final) have increased too! I updated the prices......it looks amazing, it seems SEDO bidders love the LLLL.com !

 

[italiandragon]

I updated again the auctions at Sedo and Ebay are getting really HOT.

Check their ending prices and their poor quality.

Does anyone know how much iBOB.com went for at TDNAM?

 

[skylineleong]

Some sedo auction is expired....

 

[KingDon]

Nice links Lorenzo, do you guys think e-bay might be the place to try an auction now for a good LLLL?

 

[topdaytrader]

Ebay is good place to buy, but not to sell. There's many of good LLLL.com sold under $10.

 

[DomainMagnate]

Ok I need your advice guys :D

I have a big bunch of good cvcv and vcvc names (most with only one lower quality letter) and trying to decide if I should put them on sedo now, or later..
Do you think in 2-3 months these names will be selling for considerably more, or now is a good time to load them off?

~MG

 

[Alex]

I don't know about CVCV's, but I am sure VCVC's will still gather in value. VCVC's are also pronounceable, and were overshadowed by CVCV's.

But frankly I don't know if you should put them for sale now or later.

 

[italiandragon]

Ok I need your advice guys :D

I have a big bunch of good cvcv and vcvc names (most with only one lower quality letter) and trying to decide if I should put them on sedo now, or later..
Do you think in 2-3 months these names will be selling for considerably more, or now is a good time to load them off?

~MG

The LLLL.com aftermarket is not mature yet. It is just starting to take off NOW.

I expect to see nice things within 3-4 months and I will not be surprised to see hight 4 figures or low 4 figures for Premium CVCV.

The more and more internet users and internet companies arrive in the net , the more these will go up.

I think it`s really no question what to do. Unless of course you are forced to sell for other reasons.

 

[Pred]

The LLLL.com aftermarket is not mature yet. It is just starting to take off NOW.

I expect to see nice things within 3-4 months and I will not be surprised to see hight 4 figures or low 4 figures for Premium CVCV.

The more and more internet users and internet companies arrive in the net , the more these will go up.

I think it`s really no question what to do. Unless of course you are forced to sell for other reasons.

Totally agree. These suckers have just started to sprout, they've been in hibernation for a long time, ignored.
I personally would wait and see. Don't sell in the coming year is my advice, just buy.
:imho:

 

[KingDon]

I'm going to wait another 4 months, but I may do some auctions to test the waters soon. I'm thinking about putting an auction up on e-bay for one of my nice VCVC's just to see what kind of bids it pulls in. I let you guys know when I set it up, maybe the middle of next month.

 

[DomainMagnate]

What do you think this one would fetch in sedo right now B E H Y .COM?
I think it should cross $1.5k, but can it get up to $2k?
I might auction it soon.

~MG

 

[KingDon]

I would wait as long as I could before selling; it's only going to get better now that the 10K barrier has been broken. I just put all my LLLL's regged up until 2009, and the rest of my names I've put till next year. I'm guessing next summer is going to be super crazy with the expectation of a new president.

If Democrat, we're all be laughing to the bank; If Republican, we'll have to wait and see.

 

[xman]

I'm going to wait another 4 months, but I may do some auctions to test the waters soon. I'm thinking about putting an auction up on e-bay for one of my nice VCVC's just to see what kind of bids it pulls in. I let you guys know when I set it up, maybe the middle of next month.

I was thinking a bout the same thing.

I would probably try one of my domain that I regged 6 months ago especially the one that contain one undesirable letter.