LLLL.com evaluation thread

[italiandragon]

While the last LLLL.com are taken (you can check www.dyyo.com to know how many are left) , I really feel the need to have a sort of 4L price guide on the same sort of the 3L/ 3 chars price guide.

I asked to people to create a database of LLLL.com sales but it seems no one can do it so I`m going to create it myself as much as I can on just a forum thread. If I knew how to create a database I was doing it.

Keep in mind that this thread is still in the early stage and I`ll update it as much as I can. I will update this first post so it will be easier for everyone to know what`s going on in the LLLL.com aftermarket. It is going to take me a lot of my spare time but I hope that eventually soon , someone will create a software that will run by itself Till then , let`s hope I can have time!

So, just for the newbies , let`s see what we already know about the 3 chars.com price guide:

"The quality of the letter composition can play a significant role in determining 3-letter valuations. General concensus states that the letters A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, L, M, N, O, P, R, S, T are considered premium letters. Other lesser high quality letters include: J, K, U, V, W. Lower quality letters include: Q, X, Y, Z. Domains selling for less than the above figures would represent a strong buy in today's market. Premium letter only domains tend to fetch a 500% to 600% premium (or more) over the Minimum Wholesale Price. Mixed letter quality domains have valuations somewhere in the middle of these two extremes."


I think we could adjust the same rules to the LLLL.com

Let`s play a little bit with the letters to find out what are the minimun reseller prices as for now , end of September 2007 (NOTE: THIS FIRST THREAD IS CONSTANTLY UPDATED WITH THE NEW INFO HIGHLIGHTED IN RED)

Obviously we should analyse in this thread ONLY the NON pronunciable ones to consider ONLY the quality of letters, so not even a very well known acronym but only 4 random letters.

For the "other" LLLL.com sales and evaluations based on pronunciability , then you may find useful this other thread:

http://www.namepros.com/domain-name-discussion/358387-the-llll-com-sales-report-thread.html

I`ll start with my opinion but feel free to add yours so we can get to a sort of price guide.

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A LLLL.com including 2 or more of "Q, X, Y, Z" (as long as they are not 2 of the same) I`d say less no more than $10 since there are still 12,000 of them left.

EXAMPLE: GXZH.com (no more than $10)

There is one example of these ones right now on ebay, ending in less than 3 hours:

http://cgi.ebay.com/hzxv-com-Origin...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


Obviously even with 2 "bad letters" , when they start to be pronunciable this is what happens:

ZAYM.com $201

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162205723&category0=&fvi=1

Double letters such as:

GXXH.com
ZZDC.com
FYYT.com
DRQQ.com

I`d appraise them at minimun $20-$30 depending on the letters. Double but not consecutives letters would just be below the above ones.


XSXT.com $20.50

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=170160241510&category0=&fvi=1



Triple bad letters such as:

QQQD.com
FZZZ.com
RXXX.com
YYYG.com

I`d appraise them at minimun $70-$100 depending on the letters.


Then we may analyse the ones with only 1 bad letter (always Q, X, Y, Z):

FGZS.com
EYDF.com
PXSE.com
TFQG.com

These kind of LLLL .com are still available so reg fee to $10 , must be for them.


UPDATED:

SOME AUCTIONS ON EBAY ARE GETTING ABOVE $10:


http://cgi.ebay.com/ZWTO-com-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/FGXR-com-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

UPDATE 13 OCTOBER: ON EBAY PRICES ARE CONSTANTLY ABOVE $10 FOR LLLL WITH JUST 1 BAD LETTER , SOMETIMES ABOVE $20 TOO.

ZATB.com $12.49

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=270170293855&category0=&fvi=1

RLYN.com $36

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200159375608&category0=&fvi=1


RBYK.com $29.99

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200163278990&category0=&fvi=1


HRHY.com $30.80

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162203800&category0=&fvi=1


YATG.com $23.95

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162885146&category0=&fvi=1


a double letter with 1 bad letter :

IIZP.com $42

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300161869692&category0=&fvi=1




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Then we have the ones which include the group "lesser high quality letters": J, K, U, V, W.

These ones have lately bought totally so the minimun reseller price must be above reg fee , let`s say $10 - $20 depending from the letters. Some people tend to include J, K and U in the premium letters. I`d definitely include the vowel U but I guess this is a personal point of view.
Even here at NP , LLLL including just the letter U tend to outperform this category:

FGUB.com $32 (October 2007)

http://www.namepros.com/domains-for-sale-auctions/383276-fgub-com-1-start-great-4letter.html

It may be also useful to consider that K and W were sold out earlier than J and V.



There is one example of these ones right now on ebay, ending in 3 hours:

http://cgi.ebay.com/UMGV-COM-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


UPDATE 25 OCTOBER:

Things are getting hotter (at the moment less than 7000 LLLL are left) and U and this category is quickly raising its reselling value on EBAY:

DPTU.com $54.51 now

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162512206&category0=&fvi=1


RWEO.com $78.00

http://cgi.ebay.com/RWEO-com-LLLL-4...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


The letter U and W obviously are not that bad

The letter V in Italian is very much used , while in China is not so a lot depends from your background.

J is not my favourite in this group (as in the Italian alphabet there is no J-K-W-X-Y ) but certainly is getting attention by someone else:

RCEJ.com $30

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=120172045546&category0=&fvi=1


Then we have 2 of the group J, K, U, V, W such as:

GJJA.com
FVVO.com
KKTR.com

I`d say $30 to $50 as they are all gone and the double letter will increase their rarity.


FNKK.com $52

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162204984&category0=&fvi=1

2 of them but not the same 2 (double) are less valuable:

http://cgi.ebay.com/VWTP-com-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

VDUZ.com $26

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...from=R8&satitle=200159969339&category0=&fvi=1


WPEJ.com $23.15

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200163499690&category0=&fvi=1


With 3 of them , like :

GJJJ.com
FVVV.com
KKKT.com

I`d say $100 -$150

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Then we have the best of the best: ALL PREMIUM letters:


A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, L, M, N, O, P, R, S, T



Names like CLFO.com or FGTR.com or ATFI.com are going to get $$$.

I can`t find any of these LLLL.com for less than $100 , sometimes not even $200 buy them.
So I`d say a really minimun of $100 to easily $200 each.
At places like Snapnames.com, the all premium letters even if they are non pronunciables , are going already for above $400 and the market is getting hotter day by day.

If the name appears to have 2 of a kind like:

SSFO.com or GBBT.com then we should be at minimun $200 to $300

3 of a kind such DDDF.com or TLLL.com will get over $300 to $500

SPECIALS​

Anything like this is an added value.

In my daily observation of LLLL.com sales I noticed that any of the following abbreviations and/or suffixes are more valuable:

- IT (Information Tecnology or Italy)

- MY

Examples:

IMYO.com $449

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...from=R8&satitle=300158326938&category0=&fvi=1

BMMY.com $350

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18688&tracked=&partnerid=


HFMY.com $37.50

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162885558&category0=&fvi=1


- UK

UKIX.com ended on TDNAM.com @ $146

- DE

- US

- CA

- OZ (Australia)

- NZ (new Zealand)

- GO

- HI

Examples:

HIXV.com $59 (October 2007)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...from=R8&satitle=120169750537&category0=&fvi=1

- OK

- KG

- CV (Curriculum Vitae)

- DR (Doctor)

- DJ

Examples:

DJBX.com $45 (October 2007)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=170158507650&category0=&fvi=1


And more that I`ll add as soon as I can think of them!

Also,some letters add value because of their very common use.

The letter E , I and O add value usually because can mean E-lectronic , I-nternet and O-nline.

Other nice letters are:

C for Corporation or Company , L for Limited , A for Association.

The best positions are usually in the first or in the 4th spot depending from the letter. For example E will be better in the first spot while L for Limited will be better in the 4th spot but all of these letters can add value.


Other special categories that attract a bonus are based on the numbers of vowels.
There are only 5 vowels so the LLLL.com with 4 vowels are extremely rare and even the ones with 3 vowels perform very well as their demand is high.

Some recent examples:

OEOV.com $56

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=110183807446&category0=&fvi=1


EOAJ.com $52

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=110183814160&category0=&fvi=1

CVCV & VCVC​

Let`s start from the TOP this time:

CVCV.com

all premium letters Like BIFE.com or DAGO.com

minimun......well here it is hard since prices increase quickly ....maybe $1,500 ?


CVCV.com with 1 bad letter like BIZE or DAQO.com about $800

CVCV.com with 1 bad and 1 average letters like NUQE.com or VAXO.com about $500

CVCV.com with 1 bad and 2 average letters like WUQA.com or ZOVU.com

about $300

It was right WUQA.com that made me realize that I forgot the 1 bad + 2 average ones. People reported that WUQA.com ended on TDNAM.com at $315 (end of October)

CVCV.com with 2 bad letters like QEZI.com or ZIXO.com about $400

CVCV.com with 2 bad letters and 1 average letter like QUZI.com or ZUXO.com about $300

CVCV.com with 2 bad and 2 average letters (MUST BE DOUBLE U) like QUZU.com or ZUXU.com about 300



Now let`s see the VCVC.com

all premium letters Like IFEB.com or AGOC.com about $1,000 ?

VCVC.com with 1 bad letter like IZEB or AQOC.com about $500

VCVC.com with 1 bad and 1 average letters like OZUD.com or AXUF.com about $300 - $350 (I sold OZUD.com on SEDO in August for $330)

VCVC.com with 2 bad letters like AXEZ.com or IQOX.com about $200

VCVC.com with 2 bad letters and 1 average letter like UXEZ.com or UXOQ.com about $100

VCVC.com with 2 bad and 2 average letters (MUST BE DOUBLE U) like UZUQ.com or UXUZ.com about 100



I`m currently taking input on the CVCV and the VCVC where Y is the last vowel.

The first recent example is this one:

OGYZ.com $57.99

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200157925898&category0=&fvi=1


I leave the CVVC and VCCV to others as I did not have much experience with them yet.


SALES OF RANDOM (NON PRONUNCIABLE) LLLL.COM AT OTHER VENUES:

SEDO.com​

Interesting Sedo Auctions show many crappy LLLL.com with bids

UPDATE: CHECK THE AUCTIONS BELOW THAT ARE NOW ALL ENDED....PRICES ARE GETTING SHOCKING!

zekh.com $120

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18336&tracked=&partnerid=

zeow.com $300

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18360&tracked=&partnerid=

ucnk.com $120

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18468&tracked=&partnerid=

ahlq.com $243

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18528&tracked=&partnerid=


hobf.com 100 Eur= $140

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18576&tracked=&partnerid=


jvbb.com 100 Eur=$140

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18693&tracked=&partnerid=

yvze.com 70 Euros=$105

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18730&tracked=&partnerid=


Are we already starting to see a minimun price of $100 for each LLLL.com ?


Please share your opinions on the one of the hottest niches of the domain market

Thank you

 

[topdaytrader]

Yeah!!! Internet Bubble 2.0.. here we go again~

 

[champ_rock]

not internet bubble, but may be Domaining Bubble 1.0

we never know....

 

[italiandragon]

Yeah!!! Internet Bubble 2.0.. here we go again~

define then what is the sale of:

HOO.com for $47,000 @ SEDO

 

[buckshotdots]

I liked this one as you can pronounce it-sorta (ph makes an F) and had a history-

reph.com $515.00
fgst.com $350.00
firh.com $257.00

gary-

 

[Azam.biz]

We were lucky enough to sell azam.com last year for tens of thousands of pounds. However, we're not able to find a buyer for axoy.com for even a few thousand dollars.

It's hard to put a value on specific XXXX.coms and a lot of it is hit or miss. Sometimes you can find a company which must have a domain name and then they will pay more than one would imagine it was worth.

 

[italiandragon]

We were lucky enough to sell azam.com last year for tens of thousands of pounds. However, we're not able to find a buyer for axoy.com for even a few thousand dollars.

It's hard to put a value on specific XXXX.coms and a lot of it is hit or miss. Sometimes you can find a company which must have a domain name and then they will pay more than one would imagine it was worth.

Hi, no one believed that AZAM.com sold for $70,000. You did not prove it.

 

[VURG]

SSFO.com or GBBT.com then we should be at minimun $200 to $300

3 of a kind such DDDF.com or TLLL.com will get over $300 to $500

You missed out "two pair" LLLL.com (e.g. PFPF.COM, UQQU.COM, JJKK.COM). I think that they are better than "3 of a kind" domains. They are more rare (1950 VS 2600 possibilities). After thinking about it, I would say it is better to categorise the domains as "one pair", "3 of a kind" and "2 pair".

Personally I would classify domains with one pair to be worth reg fee. It's to early to give additional value to a domain just because it has two letters that are the same.

The Categories I would use:

4 of A Kind -
High Grade CVCV -
Med Grade CVCV -
Low Grade CVCV -
High Grade VVVV -
Med Grade VVVV -
Low Grade VVVV -
High Grade VCVC -
Med Grade VCVC -
Low Grade VCVC - RegFee
High Grade CVVC -
Med Grade CVVC -
Low Grade CVVC - RegFee
High Grade VCCV -
Med Grade VCCV -
Low Grade VCCV - RegFee
High Grade Pronouceable LLLL (other) -
Med Grade Pronouceable LLLL (other) -
Low Grade Pronouceable LLLL (other) - RegFee
Premium Only (Domains without letters J,K,Q,U,V,W,X,Y,Z) -
Semi-Premium Only (No J,Q,V,X,Y,Z) -
Triple Premium (Only one of J,K,Q,U,V,W,X,Y,Z) - RegFee
Double Premium (Two of J,K,Q,U,V,W,X,Y,Z) - RegFee
Single Premium Category not necessary as it's not much better than 0 premium letters.
Premium Only Two Pair -
Semi-Premium (Or Double Premium) Two Pair -
Low Grade Two Pair -
Premium Only 3 Of A Kind -
Semi-Premium (or Triple Premium) 3 Of A Kind -
Low Grade 3 Of A Kind -
Premium One Pair -
Semi-Premium One Pair -
Low Grade One Pair - RegFee
ALLL.com (LLLL.com Domains starting with the letter A) -
Other - RegFee

I only tried to value the domains I consider to be worth reg fee at the moment. Call me a pessimist if you want.

 

[WORDSWORTH]

Personally I would classify domains with one pair to be worth reg fee. It's to early to give additional value to a domain just because it has two letters that are the same.

If the domain has double starting or double ending letters, they tend to attract a small premium. None are available to register. I have sold a few domains recently to resellers for between $12 and $20. They were grabbed very quickly at these prices too. I saw another sold recently here at NP for $2x.

Examples of domains that I would presently value at these prices (without taking traffic into account). Obviously more memorable names and/or names with traffic would be worth more:

RRQO.COM
PXKK.COM

Domains with two of the same letter that I would presently value at reg. fee:

RQRO.COM
KXPK.COM

My opinion only, based on some recent sales.

Matt.

 

[italiandragon]

You missed out "two pair" LLLL.com (e.g. PFPF.COM, UQQU.COM, JJKK.COM). I think that they are better than "3 of a kind" domains. They are more rare (1950 VS 2600 possibilities). After thinking about it, I would say it is better to categorise the domains as "one pair", "3 of a kind" and "2 pair".

Personally I would classify domains with one pair to be worth reg fee. It's to early to give additional value to a domain just because it has two letters that are the same.

The Categories I would use:

4 of A Kind -
High Grade CVCV -
Med Grade CVCV -
Low Grade CVCV -
High Grade VVVV -
Med Grade VVVV -
Low Grade VVVV -
High Grade VCVC -
Med Grade VCVC -
Low Grade VCVC - RegFee
High Grade CVVC -
Med Grade CVVC -
Low Grade CVVC - RegFee
High Grade VCCV -
Med Grade VCCV -
Low Grade VCCV - RegFee
High Grade Pronouceable LLLL (other) -
Med Grade Pronouceable LLLL (other) -
Low Grade Pronouceable LLLL (other) - RegFee
Premium Only (Domains without letters J,K,Q,U,V,W,X,Y,Z) -
Semi-Premium Only (No J,Q,V,X,Y,Z) -
Triple Premium (Only one of J,K,Q,U,V,W,X,Y,Z) - RegFee
Double Premium (Two of J,K,Q,U,V,W,X,Y,Z) - RegFee
Single Premium Category not necessary as it's not much better than 0 premium letters.
Premium Only Two Pair -
Semi-Premium (Or Double Premium) Two Pair -
Low Grade Two Pair -
Premium Only 3 Of A Kind -
Semi-Premium (or Triple Premium) 3 Of A Kind -
Low Grade 3 Of A Kind -
Premium One Pair -
Semi-Premium One Pair -
Low Grade One Pair - RegFee
ALLL.com (LLLL.com Domains starting with the letter A) -
Other - RegFee

I only tried to value the domains I consider to be worth reg fee at the moment. Call me a pessimist if you want.

Hi Phil, very interesting reply thanks!

Yes I forgot double pairs. I`m trying to bring real live examples (like the one on ebay) to each of the categories. And in the last days, on Ebay it`s hard to see any LLLL.com for less than $10, then if you put one with a pair , you will see how easily reach $20.

 

[Alex]

From VURG's list, I slightly don't agree with low end VCVC's. They are not regfee. Or do you define a domain like YZUQ.com a VCVC? In that case I agree with you.

But the most of the VCVC's (not including Y as a vowel) are fetching far more than regfee.

 

[champ_rock]

just some examples of recent VCVC sales at ebay
i think they were the semi-premium VCVC.com (considering letter quality)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=230175869580&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=013
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=230175869289&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=013
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=230175866364&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=013

 

[italiandragon]

just some examples of recent VCVC sales at ebay
i think they were the semi-premium VCVC.com (considering letter quality)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=230175869580&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=013
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=230175869289&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=013
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=230175866364&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=013

well, I bidded on the second one only till just $22 , I did not like those letters at all. Compared to the one I sold on SEDO in August for $330 (OZUD.com) those ones were not much pronunciable in my opinion. But I bid always low and was not expecting that they were ending for less than $100, probably not many people noticed them.

 

[champ_rock]

well, I bidded on the second one only till just $22 , I did not like those letters at all. Compared to the one I sold on SEDO in August for $330 (OZUD.com) those ones were not much pronunciable in my opinion. But I bid always low and was not expecting that they were ending for less than $100, probably not many people noticed them.

i noticed them and i did not think that they were worth that much that they just went for. i would have bid a max of 25$ on them but the bidding was already above that price

i left them

 

[DomainMagnate]

So the million dollar question (well more like a $100 :D )
IN the cvcv.com names, is 'y' considered a c, or a v?

~MG

 

[italiandragon]

i noticed them and i did not think that they were worth that much that they just went for. i would have bid a max of 25$ on them but the bidding was already above that price

i left them

the thing is that at SEDO or Snap they would have got more than $100 as $100 in those venues are peanuts

So the million dollar question (well more like a $100 :D )
IN the cvcv.com names, is 'y' considered a c, or a v?

~MG

some consider Y to be a vowel but only in the 4th letter like:

BABY - PONY - SONY

not things like :

BYBO - PYLE - FYLE

But there is an exception:

MYLE - MYPA - MYGI

That would be the word MY + the other 2 LL.

 

[champ_rock]

I consider Y to be sort of a semi-vowel.. its value is not the same as a pure vowel but its not a consonant either

 

[DomainMagnate]

some consider Y to be a vowel but only in the 4th letter like:

BABY - PONY - SONY

not things like :

BYBO - PYLE - FYLE

But there is an exception:

MYLE - MYPA - MYGI

That would be the word MY + the other 2 LL.

how about these:

okyl.com
otyw.com

would you call them vcvc.com names?

~MG

 

[champ_rock]

I would call them VCVC but not the same as OKIL or OTEW

there value is lower

 

[italiandragon]

how about these:

okyl.com
otyw.com

would you call them vcvc.com names?

~MG

okyl sounds better but I`m not a native English speaker so I`m not the best judge about that.

 

[DomainMagnate]

Thanks.. anyone wants to give it a try to attach a price to those two
I've got many similar ones also

~MG

 

[rbedell]

What about double 'Y', as in pyfy?

 

[Alex]

based on past sales on ebay, here on namepros, and sedo, we can say that (almost) all VCVC 's have a minimum price of $35 - $40. Those from that ebay listing were low quality letters in my opinion.

Last week I got UPUQ.com from TDNAM for $31+$8 and I feel I made a good buy.

 

[italiandragon]

based on past sales on ebay, here on namepros, and sedo, we can say that (almost) all VCVC 's have a minimum price of $35 - $40. Those from that ebay listing were low quality letters in my opinion.

Last week I got UPUQ.com from TDNAM for $31+$8 and I feel I made a good buy.

you DID

 

[Pred]

i think 'Q' can be good sometimes at beginning or end.

I have 'FOLQ'

sounds like 'Folk' :imho:

 

[DomainMagnate]

i think 'Q' can be good sometimes at beginning or end.

I have 'FOLQ'

sounds like 'Folk' :imho:

very nice one!

~MG