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NEW YORK — Amazon.com wants ".joy," Google wants ".love" and L'Oreal wants ".beauty."

Big brands are behind hundreds of proposals for new Internet addresses, including scores for generic terms such as "cruise," ".kids" and ".tires."

If approved, Amazon could use ".author" in an attempt to dominate online bookselling, while Google could use ".love" to collect registration fees from its rivals.

Amazon and Google also are vying for ".app" and ".music," while the wine company Gallo Vineyards Inc. wants ".barefoot."

It's all part of the largest expansion of the Internet address system since its creation in the 1980s, a process likely to cause headaches for some companies while creating vast opportunities for others.

The organization in charge of Internet addresses, the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers, announced the proposals for Internet suffixes Wednesday. A suffix is the ".com" part in a domain name.

The bids now go through a review that could take months or years. Up to 1,000 suffixes could be added each year.

There were 1,930 proposals for 1,409 different suffixes. The bulk of proposals that met the May 30 deadline came from North America and Europe. About 100 were for suffixes in non-English characters, including Chinese, Arabic and Thai.

From a technical standpoint, the names let Internet-connected computers know where to send email and locate websites. But they've come to mean much more. For Amazon.com Inc., for instance, the domain name is the heart of the company, not just an address.


A new suffix could be used to identify sites that have a certain level of security protection. It could be used to create online neighborhoods of businesses affiliated with a geographic area or an industry. French cosmetics giant L'Oreal, for instance, proposed ".beauty" as a home for beauty products and general information on personal beauty.

"The Internet is about to change forever," ICANN CEO Rod Beckstrom declared. "We're standing at the cusp of a new era of online innovation, innovation that means new businesses, new marketing tools, new jobs, new ways to link communities and share information."

But there's a question of how useful the new names will be. Alternatives to ".com" introduced over the past decade have had mixed success. These days, Internet users often find websites not by typing in the address but by using a search engine. And with mobile devices getting more popular, people are using apps to bypass Web browsers entirely.

Many businesses worry that they'll have to police the Internet for addresses that misuse their brands, in many cases paying to register names simply to keep them away from others. It was one thing having some 300 suffixes; it's another to have thousands.

"One thing that's going to occur is a lot of money is going to get sucked out of the ecosystem," said Lauren Weinstein, co-founder of People For Internet Responsibility and a strong critic of ICANN. "The cost is billions and billions of dollars with no value returned to people and an enormous capacity for confusion."

One worry is that an expansion will mean more addresses available to scam artists who use similar-sounding names such as "Amazom" rather than "Amazon" to trick people into giving passwords and credit card information.

The public now has 60 days to comment on the proposals. There's also a seven-month window for filing objections, including claims of trademark violation.

Of the 1,930 proposals, 1,179 were unique and 751 were for 230 different suffixes. ICANN will hold an auction if competing bidders cannot reach a compromise. Most of the duplicate bids were for generic names, though the Guardian newspaper and The Guardian Life Insurance Co. both sought ".guardian."

Bidders had to pay $185,000 per proposal. If approved, each suffix would cost at least $25,000 a year to maintain, with a 10-year commitment required. By comparison, a personal address with a common suffix such as ".com" usually costs less than $10 a year.

ICANN has received some $350 million in application fees. The money will be used to set up the system, review applications and make sure parties do what they have promised once the suffix is operational. Some of the money will be set aside to cover potential lawsuits from unsuccessful applicants and others.

Some of the proposals are for suffixes to be reserved for in-house use. Yahoo Inc. and Microsoft Corp., for instance, plan to restrict ".yahoo and ".microsoft" to their sites or affiliates, while keeping their current names under ".com." If Google Inc. wins its bid for ".search," the search leader won't let rivals use it.

But there are hundreds of proposals for generic names that the public would be able to buy names under – for $10 or thousands depending on the suffix. Some are coming from entrepreneurs or businesses that specialize in domain names.

Others are from big technology companies. That means Google, for instance, could charge its fiercest rivals for rights to "Microsoft.love," "Facebook.love" and "Apple.love." Google declined comment.

Amazon has bids for 76 names, many related to businesses the online bookseller now dominates or might want to. Besides ".book" and ".author," Amazon is seeking ".joy."

That worries Stephen Ewart, marketing manager of Names.co.uk, a domain name reseller that stands to gain from registrations under new suffixes, including ".joy" if it is approved.

"Once you own these spaces, you can write your own terms and conditions," he says. "Big brands can decide who can be there and decide what can be put in that space. It's a bit cynical to think someone can be locked out of joy."

"Do we want the likes of Amazon owning joy?" he asks.

Amazon declined comment.

Amazon and Google are among 13 bidders for ".app." Both companies operate stores for distributing apps for mobile devices running Google's Android system. That could shut out Apple Inc. and its rival iPhone and iPad devices.

While Google applied for 101 suffixes, Apple sought only one, ".apple." EBay Inc. and Facebook Inc. didn't propose for any. It was Amazon that bid for ".like" – the button on Facebook that lets users recommend links and brands to friends.

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Nobody is being a fanatic, consider the following:
  1. If domains are useless what URL should businesses put on their business card ?
  2. What is the extension that is selling best as per reported sales ?
  3. Are domains worth more or less today than in 1995 ?
  4. [optional] Why has Overstock scaled back on .co ?

  1. Their Name will be good enough
  2. See 3
  3. "past performance is not an indication of future performance"
  4. Not relevant because .co is not .overstock
Item 1 is the key to unlocking the future. Domainers spend too much time asking "Why don't they get it? The time is coming soon when others will be asking of domainers "Why didn't you get it?"

It's all about control.
 
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To me, that seems like a potential choke point, where a few large companies will be able to control which apps appear as you search their tablet.

possibly at first - but like most things on the internet when people try to set up walls and control things in that way for profit or power it has a limited lifespan.
 
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  1. Their Name will be good enough

  1. Because there is only one business using that name in the world

    [*]See 3
    [*]"past performance is not an indication of future performance"
    but its all the indication we've got unless you have a working crystal ball
    [*]Not relevant because .co is not .overstock
perhaps not but another tld that isn't working out for people/companies
Item 1 is the key to unlocking the future. Domainers spend too much time asking "Why don't they get it? The time is coming soon when others will be asking of domainers "Why didn't you get it?"

It's all about control.
i guess you failed to make a living off domains eh?
 
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Step right up, now boarding the Dr. Hackenwheeze death change time tunnel. Don't bump your head - ok to bend over but no squatting. Ten, nine, BOOM - we have ignition, bwoooooshhh …

NP 20-June-2022

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pm log ...

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dotcomfanatic: pianos.com

tirekicker: ugh - how much?

dotcomfanatic: $1000 BIN

tirekicker: (no response)

dotcomfanatic: $750

tirekicker: are you nuts? pianos.ketchup just sold for $600 and you want more for dot com?

dotcomfanatic: OK, let's make a deal, $410

tirekicker: listen dillweed, google won't even index this lump of dung - let me know when you're serious

dotcomfanatic: OK, renewal is coming up, how about 19 cents?

tirekicker: masspay? I'll think about it …
 
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Dot com is a dominant aspirational brand. Largely erosion resistant.

The day that a TLD has more money invested in development than .com it will be the dominant tld, just won't happen in our lifetimes from what I can see.

Sales like meet.me are more a function of the sellers ability to say no to $400,000 and the buyers desperate need for the name, but it's an outlier, doesn't mean all single action verb .me domains will sell for that price.

Though .com isn't 'erosion resistant' in the sense that the lower end of the market is already eroding... which is why you see ccTLDs making a huge dent in top sales and each year they are more 'relevant' than lower quality .coms - at least for the last five years that I've been tracking them.
 
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The day that a TLD has more money invested in development than .com it will be the dominant tld, just won't happen in our lifetimes from what I can see.
Exactly, .com is the result of nearly 2 decades of global branding and advertising to the tune of billions of dollars. You just don't start with a clean slate and bury the past and present.

People always try to be creative with stuff like o.co or deli.cio.us, can't say that always pans out well.

Sales like meet.me are more a function of the sellers ability to say no to $400,000 and the buyers desperate need for the name, but it's an outlier, doesn't mean all single action verb .me domains will sell for that price.
This one is among the very best .me, there are few keywords of that caliber. It is an extension of glorified domain hacks mainly. A niche. Many of the upcoming extensions will in fact be niche extensions with a rather narrow focus, and the expense of visibility.
 
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Exactly, .com is the result of nearly 2 decades of global branding and advertising to the tune of billions of dollars. You just don't start with a clean slate and bury the past and present.

People always try to be creative with stuff like o.co or deli.cio.us, can't say that always pans out well.

This one is among the very best .me, there are few keywords of that caliber. It is an extension of glorified domain hacks mainly. A niche. Many of the upcoming extensions will in fact be niche extensions with a rather narrow focus, and the expense of visibility.

Well o.co was a rebranding disaster. Everyone knows the company as overstock, wtf is o? If they started a new company as o.co it could succeed but rebranding is tricky and often fails.

del.icio.us is a terrible domain hack, it is equivalent to new--insurance.com (who remembers the double hyphen?) That's why their branding was bad and they changed to the .com. If they started with delicio.us (good hack) they would never have to switch to .com

Bitly is an example of a brand that failed by switching to the .com. Everyone knows it as no_url_shorteners , wtf is no_url_shorteners? It defeats the entire purpose of it's brand.

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Nobody is being a fanatic, consider the following:
  1. If domains are useless what URL should businesses put on their business card ?
  2. What is the extension that is selling best as per reported sales ?
  3. Are domains worth more or less today than in 1995 ?
  4. [optional] Why has Overstock scaled back on .co ?

[*]If domains are useless what URL should businesses put on their business card ?

Well in Japan they have ads showing search boxes rather than the domain name.
japan%20search%20ad.jpg


But they are not dead atm. Business cards could have company name+ any extension. Extension doesn't matter.

[*]What is the extension that is selling best as per reported sales ?

.com obviously. But it is because it is the most heavily squatted, and domainers have managed to convinced sucker endusers they need the .com(which they don't) Alot of companies that have throwaway money buy into this and voila .com is on top.


[*]Are domains worth more or less today than in 1995 ?
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[*][optional] Why has Overstock scaled back on .co ?

Because they failed horribly in rebranding. O.co could have been very successful if it was a seperate company, but everyone knows the company as overstock, wtf is o ? If apple changed apple.com to a.com it would be a huge fail to. A could stand for so many things ie auto, airline, amazon etc.
 
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[*]What is the extension that is selling best as per reported sales ?

.com obviously. But it is because it is the most heavily squatted, and domainers have managed to convinced sucker endusers they need the .com(which they don't) Alot of companies that have throwaway money buy into this and voila .com is on top.

If only it were that simple...

Having created hundreds of websites the truth is .com just makes the results of your work that much more effective.

Mostly because of brand recall, as in, you can just use the brand, you don't need to add the .com - But you need to create this differentiation on every other extension.

And whether you like it or not, except for specific cctlds, you will lose some traffic to the .com purely by force of habit.

Yes this will change as new users come online in a newgtld world, but everyone who gives them 'inputs' to guide them online will also be passing on a bit of .com brand usage and all that will take time to 'erode', don't expect it to happen immediately or even within the next five to ten years.
 
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Well o.co was a rebranding disaster. Everyone knows the company as overstock, wtf is o? If they started a new company as o.co it could succeed but rebranding is tricky and often fails.

del.icio.us is a terrible domain hack, it is equivalent to new--insurance.com (who remembers the double hyphen?) That's why their branding was bad and they changed to the .com. If they started with delicio.us (good hack) they would never have to switch to .com

Bitly is an example of a brand that failed by switching to the .com. Everyone knows it as no_url_shorteners , wtf is no_url_shorteners? It defeats the entire purpose of it's brand.

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[*]If domains are useless what URL should businesses put on their business card ?

Well in Japan they have ads showing search boxes rather than the domain name.
japan%20search%20ad.jpg


But they are not dead atm. Business cards could have company name+ any extension. Extension doesn't matter.

[*]What is the extension that is selling best as per reported sales ?

.com obviously. But it is because it is the most heavily squatted, and domainers have managed to convinced sucker endusers they need the .com(which they don't) Alot of companies that have throwaway money buy into this and voila .com is on top.


[*]Are domains worth more or less today than in 1995 ?
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[*][optional] Why has Overstock scaled back on .co ?

Because they failed horribly in rebranding. O.co could have been very successful if it was a seperate company, but everyone knows the company as overstock, wtf is o ? If apple changed apple.com to a.com it would be a huge fail to. A could stand for so many things ie auto, airline, amazon etc.

I have read the japanese are in love with yahoo search and that to search is way more common than a direct type as my idn's have indictated (low type ins) great image
 
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i guess you failed to make a living off domains eh?

“We must make a personal attack when there is no argumentative basis for our speech”.

Cicero
 
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